Really Slow Forums

GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
in NS General Discussion
is it me, or are the forums extremely slow. sometimes it takes up to 5 minutes to load a page of the forums, if it loads at all.

all the times this happens, there arent many people browsing the forums. so i dont think they are overloaded.
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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Same here, browser stays on


    "Waiting for urlgoeshere..." For a long time.
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  • A_Boojum_SnarkA_Boojum_Snark Join Date: 2003-09-07 Member: 20628Members
    Indeed, seems hosting was turned over to a family of midget snails <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    The problem goes on and off, I have no clue why <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
    someone probably needs to clean up the mysql tables, even though the topics are pruned, i can still access the 100th post made on the forum.
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  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    Same here at 02:00 in the morning in a near empty Internet Café (save a few WOWers)
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  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    It does go on and off... I guess it depends how people use the forums (searching, just browsing).
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  • dhakbardhakbar Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30305Members
    I can't remember a time when these forums weren't slower than molasses.
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  • TheJimTheJim Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 34080Members, Constellation
    Indeed they are slower lately.
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  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    I've found this depends on what connection I'm using, for instance at home on my cable connection its fine, on my uni's connection is fine, however on a dsl line in my previous uni accomadation it took about 1-2 mins to load a single page, assuming it didnt time out first.

    I dont think its related to how fast the connections are but just how or where they are connected to the internet.
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-GiGaBiTe+Jul 24 2005, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Jul 24 2005, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> someone probably needs to clean up the mysql tables, even though the topics are pruned, i can still access the 100th post made on the forum. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I've often wondered how often they perform maintenance, and what exactly they do. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I've experienced very slow speed here for about 2 weeks, although it's been sporadic of late. Go figure ...
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  • ShadowShadow Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31145Members, Constellation
    the speed goes up and down, sometimes really slow and then all of a sudden really fast
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  • devicenulldevicenull Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15967Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Same for me.. although it looks like savvis is resposible (they are part of the link from me to ns.org)

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  router [192.168.1.1]
      2    81 ms    14 ms    15 ms  69.0.81.254.adsl.snet.net [69.0.81.254]
      3    14 ms    15 ms    16 ms  dist1-vlan60.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [66.159.184.22
    6]
      4    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  bb1-g8-0-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [204.60.219.225]

      5    16 ms    17 ms    17 ms  bb1-p4-0.nycmny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.99]
      6    16 ms    17 ms    23 ms  ex1-p14-1.pxnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.41.135]

      7    16 ms    18 ms    17 ms  asn3561-savvis.pxnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.248
    .82]
      8    18 ms    18 ms    17 ms  dcr3-ae2.NewYork.savvis.net [208.174.228.9]
      9    16 ms    18 ms    17 ms  bcs1-so-3-0-0-500.NewYork.savvis.net [204.70.192
    .194]
    10    49 ms    35 ms    24 ms  bcs2-so-4-0-0.Washington.savvis.net [204.70.192.
    1]
    11  235 ms  273 ms    35 ms  dcr2-so-7-2-0.Atlanta.savvis.net [204.70.192.57]

    12  561 ms    60 ms    56 ms  bcs1-so-3-2-0.Dallas.savvis.net [204.70.192.82]

    13    56 ms    57 ms    56 ms  bcs1-so-6-0-0.Dallas.savvis.net [204.70.192.49]

    14    56 ms    56 ms    58 ms  aer1-po10.DallasEquinix.savvis.net [204.70.134.1
    4]
    15    57 ms    58 ms    56 ms  aer1-po10.DallasEquinix.savvis.net [204.70.134.1
    4]
    16    56 ms    59 ms  559 ms  dist-vlan31.dsr3-2.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.85.
    127.30]
    17  564 ms    57 ms    60 ms  dist-vlan31.dsr3-2.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.85.
    127.30]
    18    57 ms    56 ms    58 ms  gig1-0-2.sm-car6-8.dllstx4.theplanet.com [67.19.
    255.158]
    19    58 ms    60 ms    57 ms  gig1-0-2.sm-car6-8.dllstx4.theplanet.com [67.19.
    255.158]
    20    59 ms    57 ms    56 ms  www.unknownworlds.com [67.18.232.194]
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    Everyone else who's complaining, start->run cmd.. "tracert unknownworlds.com"
    See if savvis is in the tracert..
    If we find out its savvis, it's something theplanet has to take care of
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  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    LOLMAJORNEM0PORNDOWNLOAD
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    No savvis here, but I'll run that the next time it's slow.
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  • GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
    right now its uber fast, but i doubt it will last.
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  • CageyCagey Ex-Unknown Worlds Programmer Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8829Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-GiGaBiTe+Jul 23 2005, 08:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Jul 23 2005, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->someone probably needs to clean up the mysql tables, even though the topics are pruned, i can still access the 100th post made on the forum.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The topics actually aren't pruned. Go to any forum (try Off Topic), change the bar at the bottom to read "from the beginning", hit go, and browse the topics that were here in Feb 2002... Retrieving a post and grabbing a forum index are both very fast even with our full archive, so when that's all that is going on, performance is great. The main site issues right now are with the application and other programs stealing resources, not with the database; MySQL is not inherently slow even with massive amounts of data (see: <a href='http://slashdot.org' target='_blank'>/.</a>), but the forums aren't exactly the best tuned application in the world.

    Current issues that are killing performance include:
    <ul><li>The search function, which doesn't scale well to the ~1.5 million posts currently on the site. A MySQL fulltext index based search fixes this, and we will be changing over to one ASAP</li><li>IPB admin functions, which are completely unoptimized and often result in joins over entire tables... MySQL can easily burn 60 seconds on some simple requests like moving a topic, and during those 60 seconds the site is slow for everyone. Once again, help is on the way.</li><li>The community mailer, which happens to be on the same machine and is a CPU hog when it has a long list to process... we'll eventually be moving outgoing mail to another box.</li><li>The automated backup system, which killed performance last week by completely filling the HD (yes, that was a stupid thing to do)</li></ul>
    I suppose it wouldn't hurt to publicly mention that we have bought an IPB 2.0 license, and I'm currently rewriting parts of the UWE front end to be 2.0 compatible. There is no ETA on the upgrade since I'm also doing contract work for UWE clients, but when it hits I'll be taking the site down for a few days to perform the database conversion and get everything set up. This is more than a simple swap of one forum for another; I'm rewriting sections of the site to be faster and more secure as I link them up to the revised forum code.

    Using a fulltext search on IPB 2.0, it takes about half a second to get a search result over the lifetime of the entire site--the much faster response should help everybody's performance. From what I understand, the admin functions scale much better with 2.0 than they do with 1.3, so hopefully that will also get a boost.

    To clarify, there are three things that I'm supposed to be working on at the moment: UWE client contracts (first priority), upgrading the site (and improving performance in the process), and Nexus. The NS team project schedule is completely separate from the UWE schedule, and currently has two tasks I'm not working on: NS and NS:S.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've often wondered how often they perform maintenance, and what exactly they do.  <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    "They" is usually "Cagey", "when" is the intersection of "as needed" and "when I can" that amounts to several hours at a time about every other week, and "what" is usually tracking down the cause of a slow site and fixing it as necessary. There's a much larger set of changes coming, but I can't say when it will be delivered, and I'm sure the cynics among you will point out that project schedules around here aren't short. As much as I'd love the luxury of giving DBA or IT duties to a dedicated staff member, we're not a large enough company to afford that yet <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
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  • BryBry Join Date: 2003-01-23 Member: 12609Members
    caegy just thought, im not sure how much your following IPB's developement but at the current rate 2.1 is going to be out in a month or 2.
    There are some great new features in this including WYSIWYG posting system, inline editing (this absolutely rules for moderators saves about half the time). and perhaps more importantly a completely redone and reoptimised admin control panel 9for as far as i can tell the 2.0 admin control panel is exact;ly the same as 1.3) there maybe a few optimisations but if you want a more optimised admin control panel then 2.1 would be best.
    But, im sure you've probably notice 2.1 anyway
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  • InFlamesInFlames Join Date: 2004-10-22 Member: 32396Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Bry+Jul 25 2005, 04:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bry @ Jul 25 2005, 04:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> caegy just thought, im not sure how much your following IPB's developement but at the current rate 2.1 is going to be out in a month or 2.
    There are some great new features in this including WYSIWYG posting system, inline editing (this absolutely rules for moderators saves about half the time). and perhaps more importantly a completely redone and reoptimised admin control panel 9for as far as i can tell the 2.0 admin control panel is exact;ly the same as 1.3) there maybe a few optimisations but if you want a more optimised admin control panel then 2.1 would be best.
    But, im sure you've probably notice 2.1 anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're gonna make him cry <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, ty for the update and goodluck with the transfer, hope it goes as smoothley as it can <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Thanks for explaining things Cagey. Not only will it help viewers to understand the causes, perhaps it will also prompt them to properly place their posts. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I'll have to mention IB 2.1 to prodigy as he's supposed to be upgrading to 1.3 soon.
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  • GiGaBiTeGiGaBiTe Join Date: 2003-10-07 Member: 21489Members
    i was wondering if the ns forums would ever be ported over to 2.x. ,its alot faster than the old 1.x series. even with a small board (modns.org) its very slow and buggy.

    and the old posts are still there, hmm, i lost a file a long time ago. i wonder if that post i made about 1.5 years ago is still there, will hace to go dig that up.

    i would think it would be a good idea to at least back up posts that are older than 6 months and are inactive, and move them to a seperate area for viewing. because even with 2.x, 1.5 million posts is alot to go through and still might slow it down.
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  • HellabeansHellabeans Universal NS Scapegoat Join Date: 2005-04-12 Member: 48269Members, Constellation
    There are honestly way too many posts...alot of the older posts should be deleted..damn the postcounts and the past..i care about whats now o.o
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  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    well i guess that wraps it up. Thanks cagey
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  • ModChaosControlModChaosControl HiveMind NS bot creator Join Date: 2004-03-31 Member: 27613Members
    Too slow. It's really frustrating me now.
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-GiGaBiTe+Jul 26 2005, 02:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Jul 26 2005, 02:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i was wondering if the ns forums would ever be ported over to 2.x. ,its alot faster than the old 1.x series. even with a small board (modns.org) its very slow and buggy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Although prodigy has yet to upgrade modNS.org as he promised (rl PWNZ him right now), we have received no performance complaints from anyone. I for one have had no issues whatsoever with them.

    Seems like Cagey's doing all he can here to remedy it. Kudos man.
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  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    We're still keeping an eye on this, I'm really not sure what's going on. We're not ignoring it though, I can promise you that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    -Charlie
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