Law & Order Vs Csi

StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
edited July 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">so which is the better crime series...</div> I'd vote CSI just because the way the crimes are solved are more believable and more systematic.

Before CSI came, I loved Law & Order. But after watching CSI and then watching Law & Order (LO), the LO detectives work sooo dumb and disorderly at times. And then at the courts, they have RE-investigate the case again.

CSI on the other hand they got so much evidence, heck I think there isnt any need to even waste the court's time.
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    CSI hands down.

    I would rather watch NCIS though.

    Woo, acronyms ftw!
  • OttoDestructOttoDestruct Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
    The doink pwns CSI hard.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    I liked CSI in the first few seasons. Now it's gotten silly. It's one show of many that should have stopped in an earlier season, while it was still good.
    Of all Law and Orders, I only like Law and Order: SVU; and even then, only in small doses. The hag they have for a detective is obnoxious, and Stapler's (I know, I know) constant family issues is tiring.
    NCIS is horrid. I can't stand anyone on that show.

    Both CSI and SVU have an overbearing tendancy to make most young girl rape cases a personal issue with the hag of the show (both Stole and Benson). It gets to the point that they no longer seem to be a character taking something to heart, but rather a plot device for the writers to use preach a message. The characters end up fake, and most often annoying. Whenever I see (and I rarely watch either these days) an episode start with a dead, raped young woman/girl, I groan inwardly: I know it's going to be one of <b>those</b> episodes.

    1. CSI (Seasons 1-3)
    2. SVU (Occassionally)
    -9 (rep. 9). NCIS (Never)
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    CSI is absolutely <b>terrible</b>. All these new detective shows focus on only foresic evidence and completely disregard the real detective work involved (talking to witnesses, unraveling a case, etc.). Additionally, Law & Order is the only show where they actually show the cases being taken to trial. For me, the building of the case is only the prelude to the real drama in the courtroom.

    And yes, sometimes they lose - since when did every criminal case in this country end in conviction? Many of the best episodes in the series showcase an unconventional or blatantly false but well-funded defence fooling a jury. To be honest, I don't see how the win-loss record of the characters has anything to do with the quality of the show.

    I only really watch the original Law & Order. I'll watch SVU if it's on, but the knock-offs just aren't as good.
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    Law and Order by far. CSI is good... but it's too fake and well... fake! Law and Order just feels more real and possible. I think i can find a VG cats comic to go with my opinion....



    Aha, <a href='http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=61' target='_blank'>here</a>
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    CSI PWNZ hands down ... it's simply more realistic. I particularly like CSI Miami with David Caruso. Regardless, CSI owns in the rankings - nuff said.
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    So me and Depot have completely opposite opinions.



    I smell vendetta.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NeonSpyder+Jul 19 2005, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NeonSpyder @ Jul 19 2005, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So me and Depot have completely opposite opinions.



    I smell vendetta. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <b>EVERY</b>body and Depot have completely opposite opinions, where have YOU been? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CSI PWNZ hands down ... it's simply more realistic. I particularly like CSI Miami with David Caruso. Regardless, CSI owns in the rankings - nuff said. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bah, CSI...realistic?


    You're going to make my sides break open and then they'll fall out. And then the CSI guys will come in and find a pencil shaving and a tooth (when they study the crime scene for the 6th time) and conclude that a cat with ADD threw a knife at me and it knocked me out forcing a rampant carniverous rodent to tear through my abdomen...case solved.

    ...It might be fun to watch and all, but I've seen so many falsely scientific things on that show I've just watched it for the psuedo-mystery parts.



    Law and Order is okay is. I liked it when the guy with bushy eyebrows (Brisco? The alcoholic one...) was one of the detective people. It's got a nice flow too it, and has a more absolute, less Judge Dredd-y feel to it.


    [The thing you need to remember about both shows, though, is that they both cut out the "We talked to 57 people, but we got no new evidence." stuff. As it would get really boring and really long, really quick.

    -"Have you seen this person before?" "I don't think so..."
    -"Have you seen this girl before" "Nope."
    -"Did you ever see this girl?" "Maybe....Nope...No, never; looks kinda like my niece though...Except she has black hair and the nose is a bit wider...and the eyes are-" "That's enough, sir."
    -"Do you recognize this person?" "Can't say I do."
    -"Does the person in this picture look familiar?" "No one I've seen."
    -"Ever see her before?" "No."
    -etc. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • A_Boojum_SnarkA_Boojum_Snark Join Date: 2003-09-07 Member: 20628Members
    I've seen enough detective shows, and however the story may be, I enjoy watching CSI to see the tech they use, nothing more.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Jul 19 2005, 07:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Jul 19 2005, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CSI PWNZ hands down ... it's simply more realistic. I particularly like CSI Miami with David Caruso. Regardless, CSI owns in the rankings - nuff said. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bah, CSI...realistic?


    You're going to make my sides break open and then they'll fall out. And then the CSI guys will come in and find a pencil shaving and a tooth (when they study the crime scene for the 6th time) and conclude that a cat with ADD threw a knife at me and it knocked me out forcing a rampant carniverous rodent to tear through my abdomen...case solved.

    ...It might be fun to watch and all, but I've seen so many falsely scientific things on that show I've just watched it for the psuedo-mystery parts.



    Law and Order is okay is. I liked it when the guy with bushy eyebrows (Brisco? The alcoholic one...) was one of the detective people. It's got a nice flow too it, and has a more absolute, less Judge Dredd-y feel to it.


    [The thing you need to remember about both shows, though, is that they both cut out the "We talked to 57 people, but we got no new evidence." stuff. As it would get really boring and really long, really quick.

    -"Have you seen this person before?" "I don't think so..."
    -"Have you seen this girl before" "Nope."
    -"Did you ever see this girl?" "Maybe....Nope...No, never; looks kinda like my niece though...Except she has black hair and the nose is a bit wider...and the eyes are-" "That's enough, sir."
    -"Do you recognize this person?" "Can't say I do."
    -"Does the person in this picture look familiar?" "No one I've seen."
    -"Ever see her before?" "No."
    -etc. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes Ultimate gecko, more realistic. This is why is PWNZ law and Order in the rankings, or so the experts say. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    The "experts" say that because it's true, but only because john Q public is a moron. and CSI is "new" and john Q public likes "new".

    Law and order is "old" and john Q public <i>hates</i> "old". even if "old" is good.

    I would have thought you would have been the expert on old things Depot. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Jul 19 2005, 07:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Jul 19 2005, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CSI PWNZ hands down ... it's simply more realistic. I particularly like CSI Miami with David Caruso. Regardless, CSI owns in the rankings - nuff said. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bah, CSI...realistic?


    You're going to make my sides break open and then they'll fall out. And then the CSI guys will come in and find a pencil shaving and a tooth (when they study the crime scene for the 6th time) and conclude that a cat with ADD threw a knife at me and it knocked me out forcing a rampant carniverous rodent to tear through my abdomen...case solved.

    ...It might be fun to watch and all, but I've seen so many falsely scientific things on that show I've just watched it for the psuedo-mystery parts.



    Law and Order is okay is. I liked it when the guy with bushy eyebrows (Brisco? The alcoholic one...) was one of the detective people. It's got a nice flow too it, and has a more absolute, less Judge Dredd-y feel to it.


    [The thing you need to remember about both shows, though, is that they both cut out the "We talked to 57 people, but we got no new evidence." stuff. As it would get really boring and really long, really quick.

    -"Have you seen this person before?" "I don't think so..."
    -"Have you seen this girl before" "Nope."
    -"Did you ever see this girl?" "Maybe....Nope...No, never; looks kinda like my niece though...Except she has black hair and the nose is a bit wider...and the eyes are-" "That's enough, sir."
    -"Do you recognize this person?" "Can't say I do."
    -"Does the person in this picture look familiar?" "No one I've seen."
    -"Ever see her before?" "No."
    -etc. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes Ultimate gecko, more realistic. This is why is PWNZ law and Order in the rankings, or so the experts say. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I would think it "PWNZ" Law and Order because it has quicker scene changes and a more action oriented "SOLVE CRIME NOW!" thing going on (with the little bullets going into chests or blood dripping on [blank] stuff along with lots of varied lighting and exciting noises and such...which appeals to the entire Ridalin-high generation of people watching TV today...


    I find old people usually like Law and Order more, though. Stop breaking the mold Depot...you'll get picked up by the sweepers and turned into Soylent Green (Like poor ol' Saul - but first you must discover that Microsoft makes its operating systems out of PEOPLE!)!
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I shall do everything I can to break the mold - why be normal? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited July 2005
    CSI, is that the show where they have a thing for pointing out things with a flashlight, instead they could have just turned on the lights?
  • SpetsnazSpetsnaz Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24761Members, Constellation
    CSI pwns all. Watched the CSI directed by Tarintino tonight, that was immense!
  • StimpyStimpy Join Date: 2003-05-05 Member: 16086Members
    Matlock wins all. enough said. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kouji San+Jul 19 2005, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kouji San @ Jul 19 2005, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CSI, is that the show where they have a thing for pointing out things with a flashlight, instead they could have just turned on the lights? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Having a flashlight focuses the vision more than a room light would. It encourages concentration.

    I agree CSI is pretty unrealistic. It's entertaining as a "whodunit", but very unrealistic on how the justice system works. For one thing, the shortening of time for tests. Often DNA tests can take weeks, whereas they're done in-house within a day or two. And as someone else mentioned, the CSI team often misses things until they've visited the site days later, after sweeping the room repeatedly.

    It's a little humorous to see how each show portrays the other. In CSI, most regular cops are rather bumbling, and are there only as mindless "grunts". Law and Order SVU portrays the detectives as the brainiacs, and places the CSI team as secondary. Which, I suppose is more accurate. The CSI team doesn't often solve cases exclusively: there are interviews, court cases, and other things not involved with the crime scene that are required and not conducted by the CSI staff.

    Still, I prefer CSI for the mystery "whodunit" aspect, although only for the first few seasons. Once the characters started moving around in their roles I began to lose interest.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    I like both of them ok, but I prefer Law and Order (the original or SVU. I haven't watched Criminal Intent or Trial by Jury much). CSI is a little too 'sexy' for me. The main detective (Grissom, is that his name?) seems way way way too omniperceptive, and after a bit the show seems like a pulped-up Scooby Doo.

    Although, I do like it for the technology, and the fancy things they do to solve crimes, despite some flaws as someone pointed out earlier. All things considered, though, I prefer Law and Order.
  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    Law & Order. None of those fancy "modded" versions (SUV, CI, etc)... Just the good 'ol original L&W.

    (<u>L</u>aw <u>a</u>nd <u>O</u>rder = <u>LaW</u>... LAW! My 10 seconds of thinking mixed with posting about a good TV show!). I'm going crazy.!
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Jul 19 2005, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Jul 19 2005, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CSI hands down.

    I would rather watch NCIS though.

    Woo, acronyms ftw! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mmm...NCIS. I love that show, but I don't know now that they killed off Kate... Anyhow, If I would pick one it would definately be CSI. I just like the characters a lot better and I think that the crimes are more interesting.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Hmm I'm going to try watching that show now. Just to see if there's anything to it.
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    To me the king of all detective shows is Homicide: Life on the Streets. That show had brilliant writing, superb acting and an impeccable taste in music. It didn't focus so much on the crimes themselves but on the detectives and how their work affects them. Bloody brilliant. Wish I could get the DVD set, you never see homicide on reruns anymore :/
  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Breakthrough+Jul 19 2005, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Breakthrough @ Jul 19 2005, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (<u>L</u>aw <u>a</u>nd <u>O</u>rder = <u>LaW</u>... LAW! My 10 seconds of thinking mixed with posting about a good TV show!). I'm going crazy.! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You mean <u>L</u>aw <u>a</u>nd <u>O</u>rder = <u>LaO</u>?
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    i like WoW better if were gonna be useing acornymiansthingys
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    I have not watched CSI. <a href='http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=61' target='_blank'>I know better</a>.
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    I already linked it Soulskorpion <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Jul 20 2005, 12:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Jul 20 2005, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Breakthrough+Jul 19 2005, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Breakthrough @ Jul 19 2005, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (<u>L</u>aw <u>a</u>nd <u>O</u>rder = <u>LaW</u>... LAW!  My 10 seconds of thinking mixed with posting about a good TV show!).  I'm going crazy.! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You mean <u>L</u>aw <u>a</u>nd <u>O</u>rder = <u>LaO</u>? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But man does LaO sound like some kind of East Asian food.

    ----

    Ahh man that VGCats comic is priceless, I've seen it before, but I had forgotten about it. Geez, a game? Seriously what the hell.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    Criminal Intent.

    Detective Goran is so dreamy ...
  • onos_turdonos_turd Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19360Members
    pfft batman pwns your crappy detectivve shows.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it happened at sea, sea.... C for catwoman!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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