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Omegaman
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<div class="IPBDescription">Forgivance Vs Tolerance</div> This is an AIM convversation I had with a friend of mine. He's a huge economy nerd. Like, the ultimate business man. Now, I wanted him to go to this mall with me, but he said he boycotted the mall because they wiped out his favorite forest to make it. And I said, "Would you remove the boycott if some big guy running the mall sent you a letter of apology?" And he said, "Only if that big guy sent a 20 dollar bill of his along with it." And I knew he was being serious.
Well, the conversation went on for a while, and then we got to the juicy part:
OmegaNoxim: Lemmie think this through.
OmegaNoxim: The secret to coexistance (coexistence?) is to forgive. But you don't even want to coexist with these guys. You don't even want to destroy them. You wish to live in conflict with each other, harming each other by simply existing forever. Forgivance is not beyond you, but your personal beliefs demand more than the sacrifice of dignity. You require it's blood, the source of it's very power.
xanderman2074: Conflict brings out the best in people.
OmegaNoxim: Would it be safe to say that business has no affiliation with prosperity?
xanderman2074: It depends on your values.
xanderman2074: Variation occurs from individual to individual.
xanderman2074: Because, when it is all boiled down, everything is counted by ones.
OmegaNoxim: Good answer.
xanderman2074: There is a difference of 1 betweet 123455 and 123456.
xanderman2074: Individuals matter.
xanderman2074: But when so many of them matter, it is easy to underestimate the value of each of them individually.
OmegaNoxim: That's why I like forgiving everyone.
xanderman2074: Forgiveness is nothing more than very high tolerance.
xanderman2074: Which is why I tolerate everyone.
xanderman2074: Until they give me sufficient proof (and sufficient is a lot) to do otherwise.
OmegaNoxim: Huh. And I always thought there was a difference between tolerating and forgiving.
xanderman2074: What is the difference?
xanderman2074: Just connotation, when it comes down to it.
xanderman2074: Toleration is much more neutral.
xanderman2074: Objective, in connotation.
OmegaNoxim: I understand your point.
xanderman2074: The difference between the two is useful when writing.
xanderman2074: That's it.
OmegaNoxim: *goes to dictionary.com*
xanderman2074: They're close synonyms.
xanderman2074: With different connotations.
xanderman2074: Not exactly identical.
xanderman2074: You insane pedant.
OmegaNoxim: I realize they're common, but I believe (or want to) the difference is still there...
xanderman2074: What is the difference, then?
OmegaNoxim: Well, for, "tolerate," it says "To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit" For "forgive," it says "To renounce anger or resentment against".
And then after that, the conversation got silly again and we dropped the subject.
But what do you think? Is there a difference between tolerating and forgiving, or are they generally the same thing, or what?
P.S. My friend's username was modified to protect the innocent. >_>
Well, the conversation went on for a while, and then we got to the juicy part:
OmegaNoxim: Lemmie think this through.
OmegaNoxim: The secret to coexistance (coexistence?) is to forgive. But you don't even want to coexist with these guys. You don't even want to destroy them. You wish to live in conflict with each other, harming each other by simply existing forever. Forgivance is not beyond you, but your personal beliefs demand more than the sacrifice of dignity. You require it's blood, the source of it's very power.
xanderman2074: Conflict brings out the best in people.
OmegaNoxim: Would it be safe to say that business has no affiliation with prosperity?
xanderman2074: It depends on your values.
xanderman2074: Variation occurs from individual to individual.
xanderman2074: Because, when it is all boiled down, everything is counted by ones.
OmegaNoxim: Good answer.
xanderman2074: There is a difference of 1 betweet 123455 and 123456.
xanderman2074: Individuals matter.
xanderman2074: But when so many of them matter, it is easy to underestimate the value of each of them individually.
OmegaNoxim: That's why I like forgiving everyone.
xanderman2074: Forgiveness is nothing more than very high tolerance.
xanderman2074: Which is why I tolerate everyone.
xanderman2074: Until they give me sufficient proof (and sufficient is a lot) to do otherwise.
OmegaNoxim: Huh. And I always thought there was a difference between tolerating and forgiving.
xanderman2074: What is the difference?
xanderman2074: Just connotation, when it comes down to it.
xanderman2074: Toleration is much more neutral.
xanderman2074: Objective, in connotation.
OmegaNoxim: I understand your point.
xanderman2074: The difference between the two is useful when writing.
xanderman2074: That's it.
OmegaNoxim: *goes to dictionary.com*
xanderman2074: They're close synonyms.
xanderman2074: With different connotations.
xanderman2074: Not exactly identical.
xanderman2074: You insane pedant.
OmegaNoxim: I realize they're common, but I believe (or want to) the difference is still there...
xanderman2074: What is the difference, then?
OmegaNoxim: Well, for, "tolerate," it says "To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit" For "forgive," it says "To renounce anger or resentment against".
And then after that, the conversation got silly again and we dropped the subject.
But what do you think? Is there a difference between tolerating and forgiving, or are they generally the same thing, or what?
P.S. My friend's username was modified to protect the innocent. >_>
Comments
Pretty good explanation.
Right-o. He said it best.
~ DarkATi
Pretty much exactly what I would have said.
I agree with Snidely ... makes it unanimous methinx. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Who's got the lube then?
What it is commonly percieved as does not change what it once was, or rather, what it <i>should be.</i>
I'd also like to note that forgiveness does not have to base itself on feelings; I can forgive someone for wronging me, yet still be distrustful. However, the way I treat that person, and the way that I approach that person will change. Of course, with the change in actions, a change in feelings will soon follow, so the point is largely moot as long as we acknowledge that feelings are not the basis for action.