<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jun 20 2005, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jun 20 2005, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm fine with most of it, I just don't like the BS. I'd still be in the scene if every clan that I go to breaks up because of bad leadership. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team.
<!--QuoteBegin-SaltzBad+Jun 21 2005, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaltzBad @ Jun 21 2005, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even I can do it, doodz.
(Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You call it a team, I call it a reem!
The problem is that the leader quickly ends up being the guy getting matches, making people play, defending the clan publicly often with little to no support of his team and most importantly is the guy who HAS to be active 24/7 and keep the clan together during hard times. Its a 24/7 job, and few people except those already good at the game (read: extremely addicted) feel like taking the time.
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die.
<!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> without a maniac to lead them the clan will die. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> quoted for undeniable truth ;D
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 21 2005, 10:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 21 2005, 10:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please lead me to this holy grail of idling omega players, because I haven't found any yet
I find it extremely difficult to start a new Omega team, keep people active and do well. I had it going for a while this year and thought "Wow, I did it, we got it and are on our way..." Two weeks later = no team at all. (Thanks GoD for all you work trying to help use out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Also, there is a lot of hate. I think it's because it is truly difficult to becomse AWESOME at NS. CS, you just learn to aim with recoil. NS is so much more than that. I think there is a lot of jealousy, ie. flame Duo for dying on PG. But seriously, who has not been so consumed with saving hive or some **** like that that they forget themselves and die on PG.... That's right, all of us have. We as a community need to get a sense of unity.
<!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem is that the leader quickly ends up being the guy getting matches, making people play, defending the clan publicly often with little to no support of his team and most importantly is the guy who HAS to be active 24/7 and keep the clan together during hard times. Its a 24/7 job, and few people except those already good at the game (read: extremely addicted) feel like taking the time.
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The leader of every clan I have ever been in has disapeared at one time or another and everyone else just takes over, the leader isnt really that important I would say.
<!--QuoteBegin-Raz+Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raz @ Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened.
Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree with a ton of what's been said in the thread, this included.. A big problem is when someone insults the clan, like aero during that exi vs reflect match. It's one thing when someone insults you, but when they insult people you're talking with on a regular basis and stuff...meh, we're all a little vain and proud. As to what somewhat said about getting the teams ventrilo, console has been great to us offering a few channels on theirs.
We (the hopefully up and coming FAT team) pulled three scrims today, two of which were definitely helpful. We had a third where a bunch of players smurfed with a ATHF theme and poorly conceived clan tag which gave it away early, but we continued playing anyway figuring it might be somehow helpful lest we be branded "rage quitters". One guy text spams the whole scrim, clearly trying to make somebody angry. After the first fade dies, they just stop higher lifeforms altogether and all go lerk to humor us. They make OC walls outside base and just basically swoop in, gas, maybe kill a guy, and never really end the obviously over game. Some lol's and a gorge rush later (either that or I'm sure we'd have been humored with some more knifing), I just had a bad taste in my mouth. Not angry, just I dunno...disturbed, maybe?
It was all for fun (we didn't mean to upset anyone, the guy spamming was spamming team chat more than he was in mm1) and lerks help your aim a lot (especially since almost every clan goes early lerk nowadays.) Also, lerks are higher lifeforms =P
We were bored and you guys wouldn't scrim us the first time, even though you really should. Scrimming better teams helps you improve more than anything. It might be frustrating at first, but after you start pulling rounds off on them, it's very satisfying to see your hard work pay off.
Like I said I'm not angry, but come on, all you did was humor us. Which is why we didn't want to scrim you before you smurfed. There's a difference between playing a better clan and playing a clan that will just stomp on you. I can easily make the parallel between two scrims we had today. One was helpful, one was not. You can ask anybody on our team. I can only imagine how much fun stomping was though <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The reason competitive scene is dieing is because whats the point in getting good and playing in delta when you know you'll never win because there will always be terror and exi who don't hardly scrim at all and end up owning you still. You get a sense of hopelessness and end up quitting anyway.
you start to get a signal when exi wins 3 times already and terror won once and is about to win another since their more active. I wonder whats gonna happen in season 7? oh right exi or terror is gonna win.
That's funny because LoC took rounds off both Terror and Exigent this season and they were in Omega last season. Obscure and Reflect were both in Omega the season before and both teams made it to the semi-finals. Next season is a fresh start and who knows what will happen.
Terror and Exigent aren't really that much better than other delta teams. They have their weaknesses just like any other clan does. Just because they've been around a long time doesn't mean they're unstoppable.
<!--QuoteBegin-Splinter Steve?+Jun 21 2005, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? @ Jun 21 2005, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like I said I'm not angry, but come on, all you did was humor us. Which is why we didn't want to scrim you before you smurfed. There's a difference between playing a better clan and playing a clan that will just stomp on you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> nah, i think everyone should play everyone and not worry about it. theyre just scrims.
i dont think the problem is so big in america as it is in the eu: basically youve got knife to play, with maybe someone else once a week if youre lucky. i know its summer but its been like this for months. clans that have just started or dont feel very self-confident just wont play a team that has lots of names in it and/or is ranked in the higher divisions.
I remember when we took our first round off ariadne, one of the best EU clans around at the time. We must of lost 50 times before that happened and there weren't no sweeter feeling than finally winning one. Oh those were the days
<!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 06:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember when we took our first round off ariadne, <b>one of the best EU clans around at the time</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol
but yea, I remember the first time taking a round off old torment that was pretty good
I said one of, not the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We never played ktdm or torment. Don't even remember if you were alive back then.
<!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said one of, not the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We never played ktdm or torment. Don't even remember if you were alive back then. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right.
<!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said one of, not the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We never played ktdm or torment. Don't even remember if you were alive back then. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE
<!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I remember when we took our first round off ariadne, one of the best EU clans around at the time. We must of lost 50 times before that happened and there weren't no sweeter feeling than finally winning one. Oh those were the days <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh.
I remeber when I played ariadne in my 1st clan...
(a nub clan- BCK. Though we had some good players- tankefugl, RabidWeasel, Oetel, sherpa!, choc. Hell, I think we even had S3phir0th at one point. I think if you played NS1.04 on English servers, you were in BCK at some point <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
...I think we managed about 10 frags over the 4 rounds. Those were some pro Germans.
That was back when the competitive EU NS community was (just about) alive. Good days <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-comrade+Jun 23 2005, 01:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ Jun 23 2005, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said one of, not the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We never played ktdm or torment. Don't even remember if you were alive back then. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yeah sorry I mistook it for a ktdm-reformthing because fana was in it. The KTDM reincarnations was love (with sponsorship) and cu@cpl (ktdm + 2 germans iirc). Right?
<!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jun 23 2005, 09:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jun 23 2005, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-comrade+Jun 23 2005, 01:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ Jun 23 2005, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jun 22 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 10:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I said one of, not the best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> We never played ktdm or torment. Don't even remember if you were alive back then. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh yeah sorry I mistook it for a ktdm-reformthing because fana was in it. The KTDM reincarnations was love (with sponsorship) and cu@cpl (ktdm + 2 germans iirc). Right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> way to read what I said
cu@cpl was half of ktdm with aioros and foellix, so no, it wasnt
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<!--QuoteBegin-MrBen+Jun 23 2005, 11:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrBen @ Jun 23 2005, 11:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lol, all the teams we just mentioned are dead and have been for some time!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We don't have to listen to your excuses!
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It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team.
(Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?)
(Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You call it a team, I call it a reem!
OMGZ ROFFLE
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die.
quoted for undeniable truth ;D
It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please lead me to this holy grail of idling omega players, because I haven't found any yet
Also, there is a lot of hate. I think it's because it is truly difficult to becomse AWESOME at NS. CS, you just learn to aim with recoil. NS is so much more than that. I think there is a lot of jealousy, ie. flame Duo for dying on PG. But seriously, who has not been so consumed with saving hive or some **** like that that they forget themselves and die on PG.... That's right, all of us have. We as a community need to get a sense of unity.
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The leader of every clan I have ever been in has disapeared at one time or another and everyone else just takes over, the leader isnt really that important I would say.
Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with a ton of what's been said in the thread, this included.. A big problem is when someone insults the clan, like aero during that exi vs reflect match. It's one thing when someone insults you, but when they insult people you're talking with on a regular basis and stuff...meh, we're all a little vain and proud. As to what somewhat said about getting the teams ventrilo, console has been great to us offering a few channels on theirs.
We (the hopefully up and coming FAT team) pulled three scrims today, two of which were definitely helpful. We had a third where a bunch of players smurfed with a ATHF theme and poorly conceived clan tag which gave it away early, but we continued playing anyway figuring it might be somehow helpful lest we be branded "rage quitters". One guy text spams the whole scrim, clearly trying to make somebody angry. After the first fade dies, they just stop higher lifeforms altogether and all go lerk to humor us. They make OC walls outside base and just basically swoop in, gas, maybe kill a guy, and never really end the obviously over game. Some lol's and a gorge rush later (either that or I'm sure we'd have been humored with some more knifing), I just had a bad taste in my mouth. Not angry, just I dunno...disturbed, maybe?
We were bored and you guys wouldn't scrim us the first time, even though you really should. Scrimming better teams helps you improve more than anything. It might be frustrating at first, but after you start pulling rounds off on them, it's very satisfying to see your hard work pay off.
you start to get a signal when exi wins 3 times already and terror won once and is about to win another since their more active. I wonder whats gonna happen in season 7? oh right exi or terror is gonna win.
Like router said break up terror and exi
nah, i think everyone should play everyone and not worry about it. theyre just scrims.
i dont think the problem is so big in america as it is in the eu: basically youve got knife to play, with maybe someone else once a week if youre lucky. i know its summer but its been like this for months. clans that have just started or dont feel very self-confident just wont play a team that has lots of names in it and/or is ranked in the higher divisions.
lol
but yea, I remember the first time taking a round off old torment that was pretty good
IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right.
IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE
Heh.
I remeber when I played ariadne in my 1st clan...
(a nub clan- BCK. Though we had some good players- tankefugl, RabidWeasel, Oetel, sherpa!, choc. Hell, I think we even had S3phir0th at one point. I think if you played NS1.04 on English servers, you were in BCK at some point <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
...I think we managed about 10 frags over the 4 rounds. Those were some pro Germans.
That was back when the competitive EU NS community was (just about) alive. Good days <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yeah sorry I mistook it for a ktdm-reformthing because fana was in it. The KTDM reincarnations was love (with sponsorship) and cu@cpl (ktdm + 2 germans iirc). Right?
IIRC torment had reformed by adopting some random finnish clan, and ktdm had just turned into static.eu. I also remember recoil.ns (basiclly team-sweden), <3, ariadne and static pretty much ruling competative NS in europe.
Now dont flame me if my memory dont serve me right. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ktdm were never static, only os/merger with cod clan teamLOVE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yeah sorry I mistook it for a ktdm-reformthing because fana was in it. The KTDM reincarnations was love (with sponsorship) and cu@cpl (ktdm + 2 germans iirc). Right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
way to read what I said
cu@cpl was half of ktdm with aioros and foellix, so no, it wasnt
We don't have to listen to your excuses!