Co_halo

Insane · May 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">Initial Release for Playtesting</div> In line with the new map sumbission guidelines, I am posting co_halo here for general release and official consideration. I've been working on this for long enough, and I hope you guys like it.

Current version: <b>Beta 7</b>.
Last update: <b>05/06/05</b>.

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Beta 7 (05/06/05)

- Improved waterfall in hive.
- Fixed existing ambient sounds and added new ones.
- Made the inaccessible room in MS/Hub Junction look as though it goes somewhere.
- Stopped the player going outside in the RR.
- A few small measures to lower r_speeds.

Beta 6 (11/05/05)

- Fixed lighting and particle systems in readyroom.
- Fixed clipping issue with chairs in RR and MS.
- Revamped the CC/Armoury area to make it less cramped.

Beta 5 (15/02/05)

- Extended readyroom.
- Extended the walkways in the hive and added a ladder.
- Replaced the armoury behind the weldable near the hive with an unbuilt observatory (this is experimental).

Beta 4 (31/10/04)

- Small aesthetic changes and bugfixes.

Beta 3 (31/10/04)

- Added an easter egg.
- Changed the area that used to be The Chasm to lower line-of-sight and remove the pit near the marine spawn.
- New hive with better entrances.
- Changed the hub; added detail.

Beta 2 (18/09/04)

- Added a proper readyroom.
- Fixed armoury placement - it now has lightdata.
- Fixed the trigger_hurt at the bottom of The Chasm - it now harms skulks.
- Lowered the console at Reception.
- Particle System glitch behind the console seems to have disappeared. Please let me know if it returns.
- Raindrop sprite in hive is now properly oriented.
- Several small visual updates.
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<a href='http://www.another-world.org.uk/spacer/co_halo_b7.zip' target='_blank'>Download co_halo_b7</a>. (Thanks to spacer for the hosting!)

<a href='http://naigel.nl/files/co_halo_b7.zip' target='_blank'>Mirror</a>. (Thanks naigel)

Attached is a set of (slightly outdated) screens so that you have some idea of what you are downloading.

Bijiy · May 2005

Spiffy.

Invader_Scoot · May 2005

Good luck on it becoming official, looks nice from the screens.

Naigel · May 2005

Ah, just took a quick walk through the map. Check your PM!

Please bare with the so called 'gamma' correction attempt and the quality of the pictures. But here goes:

First of all, in the hive, the scroll water just looks... awful... <b>and it goes up!! </b>look:

<img src='http://naigel.nl/images/co_halo_b60001.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Second of all, the screens have no overlay nor do they give off light... it just looks odd, I think. This screenshot shows one screen but what I said applies to all the screens in the map:

<img src='http://naigel.nl/images/co_halo_b60002.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

That's a nice little cosy unreachable room... but how the hell are people able to enter that room? What is the purpose of that room? I don't see any doors leading to it nor any vents... it just looks rather odd:

<img src='http://naigel.nl/images/co_halo_b60003.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

I can get out of the ready room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /> :

<img src='http://naigel.nl/images/co_halo_b60004.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

These are the things I just found when I was doing a quick walk through <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

-EDIT-

Forgot something <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

BulletHead · May 2005

An unreachable room can be MEGA fun!

Put in like... an impaled half fade half human creation strapped to an experiment table <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Moconnor · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ May 12 2005, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> An unreachable room can be MEGA fun!

Put in like... an impaled half fade half human creation strapped to an experiment table <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Or you could just leave it as a MEGA FUN unreachable room. I like the idea, confuses people like naigel there, Good job <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

I'm gonna check out the map now, from the screens it looks quite nice. I'll post some feedback once I have a run around._

Moconnor · May 2005

Ok some feedback then. . Although naigel's screenshots are quite bright the map for me was dark. It was nice though, I like maps with a bit of darkness.
First off I think the map is very cramped, low ceilings, close corridors, there is no open areas.It felt like the aliens would win easily with the cramped-ness and darkness.

Also after seeing the map I know what naigel is on about when he mentioned the room that has no access. If you look through the glass there doesnt appear to be any doors leading into that room <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

Also your r_speeds are quite high in alot of areas, I noticed 600-700 alot.
One more thing, You need to add more sounds, and lots of them, It will add tonnes of atmosphere to the map.

So far its a very nice map, layout seems to be fine.For some fast paced games, but like I say I think its a bit alien friendly atm._

Naigel · May 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Naigel @ May 12 2005, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <b>Please bare with the so called 'gamma' correction attempt and the quality of the pictures.</b>  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That's why it is so bright, I guess <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Sky · May 2005

I'm guessing the name did not come from XBox's Halo? Because if you were designing this map after one of that game's levels...

Anyway, the hive room looks pretty good, but the 'spiffiness' of the map drops off sharply after that.

Insane · May 2005

Thanks for the feedback!

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>First of all, in the hive, the scroll water just looks... awful... and it goes up!! look:</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Yes. Yes it does. I can't really find a decent waterfall texture. If anyone has one, I'd like to know!

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Second of all, the screens have no overlay nor do they give off light... it just looks odd, I think. This screenshot shows one screen but what I said applies to all the screens in the map:</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Actually, that screen is the only one without an overley that I know of. I deliberately didn't put one on it because I wanted it to be "off". I didn't see the point in making the screens give off light, mostly because I don't want a "disco lighting" effect with having too many coloured lights in one room.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That's a nice little cosy unreachable room... but how the hell are people able to enter that room? What is the purpose of that room? I don't see any doors leading to it nor any vents... it just looks rather odd:</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

It's unreachable detail, to give a sense of a place that is larger than the map. The fact that I forgot to put a door in breaks that effect somewhat. Thanks for pointing that out.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I can get out of the ready room</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Nice. Clip brushes ahoy!

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Ok some feedback then. . Although naigel's screenshots are quite bright the map for me was dark. It was nice though, I like maps with a bit of darkness.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

This is a bit strange, because it looks pretty well lit on my computer. However, as it doesn't seem to be causing a problem, I won't worry about it.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>First off I think the map is very cramped, low ceilings, close corridors, there is no open areas.It felt like the aliens would win easily with the cramped-ness and darkness.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I wanted it to be cramped. It makes for games that are pretty fast and intense. When we played it, aliens didn't seem to have a specific advantage, and they certainly didn't win easily.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Also your r_speeds are quite high in alot of areas, I noticed 600-700 alot.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Not a huge issue as it's within requirements, but I will look into it when I have the time.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>One more thing, You need to add more sounds, and lots of them, It will add tonnes of atmosphere to the map.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Good point.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I'm guessing the name did not come from XBox's Halo? Because if you were designing this map after one of that game's levels...</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

No. It's not meant to be based on Halo.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Anyway, the hive room looks pretty good, but the 'spiffiness' of the map drops off sharply after that.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I need more than that if I'm to judge what changes to make.

MrRadicalEd · May 2005

Insane, about the waterfall; how about giving it a translucency to give it depth/volume and blend in rather than stick out, and then add some kind of splash or misting sprite to blend the bottom of the waterfall brush with the rest of the water?

Lt_Gravity · May 2005

- there are some REALLY bad brush missplacements, especially in that hiveroom. the single brushes of the pipes doesnt seem to fit 100%. you should really work that out. that may also lower your speeds in that section.
- the hive itself is way to low, you should move it so it doesnt look "buried" in the ground.
- the lowered hive floor (where you placed the water) may be a massive disadvantages for alien since any grenade that doesnt hit the hive will more or less end up exploding between the spawnpoints.
- you cut of the doors at the bottom. shure, that may only be noticeabvle for people using the texture day by day but I dont think it is necessary.
- the map seems to be pretty packed, even for a co map. tough for onos to move in there.
- I like the chairs model. looks pretty cool.
- I also like the devices you placed in the map. sometimes you just stop and ask yourself "what is this good for?"

nogoodnickname · May 2005

looks damn good. except the waterfall. looks like there comes or goes bs

Spacer · May 2005

I think I mentioned this to you when I played b4 a while ago, but you should make the water coming out of the pipe a particle system rather than a scroll. tbhirl.

Insane · June 2005

Updated to version <b>Beta 7</b>.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Beta 7 (05/06/05)

- Improved waterfall in hive.
- Fixed existing ambient sounds and added new ones.
- Made the inaccessible room in MS/Hub Junction look as though it goes somewhere.
- Stopped the player going outside in the RR.
- A few small measures to lower r_speeds.
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Skacky · June 2005

Really nice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

Olmy · June 2005

sexeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Metrotek · June 2005

I been getting an error every time I try to play this map. Me and my friend both get hl to crash when I play this map. I installed it and reinstalled it 3 times from different mirrors.

Co_halo

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