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Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23688
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<div class="IPBDescription">sorry if answerd</div> sorry if this has been asked b4 but i see a few 3.05 servers, all i have heard being tested is "hitboxes"
could anyone be a little bit more specific about whats being tested? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
could anyone be a little bit more specific about whats being tested? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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its like CM testing all over again...
I doubt it will be widespread toos ono though as there does seem to be a few bugs with them still atm.
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In 3.0.5 we are rotating the hitbox correctly so marines should be able to track skulks better ( amongst other things ). This does not solve the general problem of lag dependent hitboxes that is common to all half-life mods ( although arguably the extremely fast player speeds in NS highlight the problem a lot more than say dod or cs do ).
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A welcome addition for sure. But not ready yet for widespread release
but he really said there may be new IP models?
there is no need for new IPs IMHO.
I just played a game of classic on Bry's and I had a fade WALKING at me WITHOUT carapace at west access (tanith) I unloaded as many HMG bullets I could and NOTHING, absolutley NOTHING hit.
On the same server, 30 minutes earlier on core, I had the best reg I've ever had in NS. The game after on the same map, but with more players, reg was really ****. Then after the mapchange the reg was horrible.
today and yesterday I played a couple of rounds on Bry's and I noticed a similar thing. Sometimes the hit registration is wonderful, but sometimes I can't hit a damn thing. Looks almost like the bullets are flying through those nasty lizards.
And what about those new IP models? I listened to Zunni's devcorner 1 and 3 but I believe he didn't menationed it, maybe in devcorner 2.
3.0.5 is a test build with a bug fixed in the "new" hitbox code tested in b6. This bug was very elusive and never properly identified, but the one absolute confirmed case of the bug was when a fade standing close to a wall in a marine endgame was not hurt by marine bullets. The fade stood still. What made this bug elusive is the fact that the hitreg perfectly matched the hitboxes (use a model viewer to see them) most of the time, with rare occurances where the alien would not get hit by the bullets.
This bug was most probably NOT related to other reg issues people often notice, caused by 1) mismatching rate settings, 2) packet loss or "ping spikes", 3) low server FPS, 4) mismatches between server and client prediction because of high speeds.
IF 3.0.5 is released to the public, it will NOT be a client side patch, and it will NOT include any models.
There will be a lot of "Phantom Sightings" of old and new bugs that may or may not have anything to do with this "new" hitreg. This 3.0.5 will most probably NOT fix any of the following: 1) getting killed "around corners", 2) hit registration faults due to low server fps/high server load, mismatching rate settings, packet loss, ping spikes or prediction mismatches (see above), 3) "one-shot-kills" (damage is 100% unrelated to the hitboxes), 4) "false blood" or "sparks" (as blood is a direct indication of a damage being dealt, if it's not, it's very probably unrelated to the hitreg code, and sparks is a client side prediction effect unrelated to the damage dealt).
What we really need is documented feedback of unwanted effects, or the manifestation of the b6 bug where the hits would not register. Demos are VERY useful here, as well as your rate settings, the server, map, time, and so on.
The reason why we can't rely on the one-liners claiming they had bad hitreg (or other bugs) is because people do that all the time on 3.0-3.0.4 anyway, so filtering out what is valid and what is invalid 3.0.5 is a very hard job.
Also note that this hitreg ONLY related to the LMG, Pistol, HMG, Shotgun and Parasite.
The biggest issue that I had with the beta 6 hitboxes was that I could have a skulk walk right up to me, and I'd blast him in the face with a level 3 shotgun. It would go right through him. This happened at least 10 times to me, and possibly to others, too.
The biggest issue that I had with the beta 6 hitboxes was that I could have a skulk walk right up to me, and I'd blast him in the face with a level 3 shotgun. It would go right through him. This happened at least 10 times to me, and possibly to others, too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The hits were never per-poly, the "new" hitreg registers the hitboxes connected to the model itself.
JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven: That was probably a manifestation of the bug. FInd a server with 3.0.5 and try to reproduce it with demos.
The initial implementation was 2 items, this has been since changed to one (hitboxes). The other change (still slated for 3.1 as far as I know) was what required it to be a client side patch.
The changes to the IP, including new model, difference between deployed/non-deployed, etc, are something coming for 3.1... I never said it was a 3.0.5 change.
The currently distributed builds of 3.0.5 are <i>test</i> builds. They are not final, there is not an ETA for the final build at this point. No balance tweaks or other code changes have been included in the update.
If you encounter problems with the hit registration on one of the servers running the testbuilds, check tanke's list of stuff we did not fix. If it is not among them, please look into filing a report.
Thanks for your time.
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It's a credit to our coders' abilities that you more or less assume they could have fixed that bug had they not been too lazy / stubborn / spiteful. The matter of fact is that we had no idea what caused the hitreg issues when we released 3.0f. Indeed, it's possible that we still don't know.
So, you have a choice: No new version of the game at all, or a version with old hitreg. Take your pick.
I dissagree... it's REALLY REALLY FRIGGING BAD!
When it's complete. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Like what they always say: All good things come to those who wait.
they were extremely cool, i too didnt notice that many problems...
or i give the fault for not killing them me >_>