Ugl Natural Selection Combat Poll

LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What mp_combattime do you prefer?</div> Nemesis Zero has authorized this poll in this forum. The Ultimate Gamers League is activating our Combat League with a few changes from last year, and we're interested in knowing what you would prefer for mp_combattime, playing a 4v4 format. We will be utilizing to the smaller maps also.

Ten minutes

Twelve minutes

Fifteen minutes
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  • DaJMastaDaJMasta Join Date: 2005-01-10 Member: 34750Members, Constellation
    Ten, adequate time for either team to win, adequate time for some people (not all) to reach level 10, not so much time as to bog down with everyone being massively powerful and just kind of skirmish in a stalemate for 10 mins.

    Only consideration is what to do about alien default win, because with a time limit aliens have the advantage. Not sure how the marines could be helped except with a game tweak or plugin.
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    I think this poll is compromised as it's not being voted on by competetive players.

    Anyhow, I'd suggest 12 minutes, 10 is too short, 15 is too long in competetive game since the outcome is decided rather quickly.
  • meepmeep Join Date: 2004-02-04 Member: 26034Members
    Is competitive combat any different than it used to be? I only played a couple of combat scrims back when it came out, and it was entirely stupid. Both teams camped hard for over half the round until one person invariably made a mistake at which time their team got crushed quickly due to level 1s spawning in versus level 4 or higher leaping skulks or shotties.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    Competitive combat would play much differently now than it did when UGL hosted it last year. And NGE, I've referred several competitive combat players to this thread. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Competitive combat would play much differently now than it did when UGL hosted it last year. And NGE, I've referred several competitive combat players to this thread. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doesn't matter. People love to vote on polls. Even if we had 2x as many competetive players vote on this as public players, you'd still get compromised results.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+May 24 2005, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ May 24 2005, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Competitive combat would play much differently now than it did when UGL hosted it last year. And NGE, I've referred several competitive combat players to this thread.  <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Doesn't matter. People love to vote on polls. Even if we had 2x as many competetive players vote on this as public players, you'd still get compromised results. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which are better than no results at all. Let the people speak, eh?
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    I think 15 is way to much but that 2 extra minutes for 10 could swing it. You always would fin if you had 2 more minutes wouldnt you? <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    15 minutes though gives you enough time to get bookoo upgrades. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • meepmeep Join Date: 2004-02-04 Member: 26034Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Competitive combat would play much differently now than it did when UGL hosted it last year. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why?
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-meep+May 24 2005, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (meep @ May 24 2005, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Competitive combat would play much differently now than it did when UGL hosted it last year. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Different version of NS. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    If you havent noticed, NS has become alien biased.

    And co was alien biased to begin with.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 24 2005, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 24 2005, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you havent noticed, NS has become alien biased.

    And co was alien biased to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And this affects your vote in this poll how?
  • digzdigz be still, maggot Join Date: 2002-05-07 Member: 588Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 02:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 24 2005, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 24 2005, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you havent noticed, NS has become alien biased.

    And co was alien biased to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And this affects your vote in this poll how? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    @tjosan... depot has a point, but look at <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=93689' target='_blank'>this thread</a> and speak your mind.

    @depot... lets not distract from the point of this thread, and thus leaving questions like this to a PM if it truly concerns you.

    On Topic:
    I voted for 15 minutes, but only if tournament mode for CO turned off the "alien win if hive lives".
  • Jmmsbnd007Jmmsbnd007 Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9793Banned, Constellation
    You should do 15 minute rounds for more spec time to see if anyone is adrenaline cheating.
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven+May 24 2005, 08:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JmmsbndZeroZeroSeven @ May 24 2005, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You should do 15 minute rounds for more spec time to see if anyone is adrenaline cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If we're spectating a cheater we wouldn't need 15 minutes, as 10 would suffice.

    Thanks for your vote though! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 24 2005, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 24 2005, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 24 2005, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 24 2005, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you havent noticed, NS has become alien biased.

    And co was alien biased to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And this affects your vote in this poll how? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do I have to quote your post to link my comment to it?

    Meh...
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-tjosan+May 24 2005, 04:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tjosan @ May 24 2005, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you havent noticed, NS has become alien biased.

    And co was alien biased to begin with. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Meaning you favor a 10, 12, or 15 minute timelimit?

    If you didn't vote then this isn't the thread to debate Combat, as Digz already noted. If you did vote, which timelimt do you prefer, and why?
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    Dude, you started debating combat and I answered. Way to go.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    edited May 2005
    Looks like <b>15 minutes </b>is running away with it.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    edited May 2005
    Come on, 56 votes? There's got to be more interested competitive Combat players out there. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    Combat won't be even close to balanced no matter what you put mp_combattime at...

    Remove Hive 3 weapons and Onos and then maybe we can start to possibly think about it.
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    A Metamod plugin is in development to rectify the alien's bias in competitive combat. This thread was created to establish what players feel would be a good mp_combattime.
  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 26 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 26 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, 56 votes? There's got to be more interested Combat players out there. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote. This vote is aimed at the competative scene, not all combatplayers around.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-coris+May 27 2005, 02:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ May 27 2005, 02:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 26 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 26 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, 56 votes? There's got to be more interested Combat players out there.  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote. This vote is aimed at the competative scene, not all combatplayers around.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote? So 63 players registered on these forums are all that's interested in competitive combat? I think not .... ... .. . <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just, vote, now. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-coris+May 27 2005, 06:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ May 27 2005, 06:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 26 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 26 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, 56 votes? There's got to be more interested Combat players out there.  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote. This vote is aimed at the competative scene, not all combatplayers around. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    When you are a moderator of this forum you will be welcome to decide who can and cannot post here.
  • comradecomrade Join Date: 2003-11-30 Member: 23774Members
    edited May 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 27 2005, 05:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 27 2005, 05:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+May 27 2005, 02:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ May 27 2005, 02:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+May 26 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ May 26 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, 56 votes? There's got to be more interested Combat players out there.  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote. This vote is aimed at the competative scene, not all combatplayers around.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which aren't supposed to vote? So 63 players registered on these forums are all that's interested in competitive combat? I think not .... ... .. . <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just, vote, now. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Chances are half these votes are from people who have nothing to do with competitive play.

    Most probably less than 30 people would be willing to play combat competitively.

    edit: these people are probably new to the NS competitive scene in the last few builds and haven't played in any combat games competitively

    Just sayin'
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-comrade+May 27 2005, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (comrade @ May 27 2005, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most probably less than 30 people would be willing to play combat competitively. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That number's terribly conservative, even with combat as it currently exists.

    When our plugin is released and the tournament begins, these numbers will surely increase.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    edited May 2005
    I voted 15 minutes. On large maps such as sava or daimos it's not really fair to the marines, especially with all the areas you're able to camp in already as an alien.

    The matches are going to be 4v4? When would an Onos be fair?
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    edited May 2005
    I believe 4v4, small maps, 6 week season, one upgrade per chamber, 2nd and 3rd hive abilities cost 2 points, and advanced lifeforms (lerk, fade, onos) limited to 2 of 3 possible e.g. lerk and onos, fade and onos, lerk and fade.
  • LarryCLarryC Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19177Members
    By a 2 to 1 margin 15 minutes seems to be the overall favorite, thus far.
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