50k Investment

douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited April 2005 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">why not do it?</div> what if we all put money into an account to get 50k. record who put in how much. suppose person A puts in 1000, thats 2%. after, person A would recieve 2% of the profits created from that 50k.

is there a rule against this? would this not be serious investment? im sure we could get 50k


there are over 20,000 members here, and im sure 10,000 would be willing to put in 5 dollars. especially if they know that theres a great chance they will see that 5 dollars again, and then some.

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  • BreakthroughBreakthrough Texture Artist (ns_prometheus) Join Date: 2005-03-27 Member: 46620Members, Constellation
    10000 people put in $5, or 5000 people put $10.

    This is a good idea, and I'd be willing to put into it.

    The NS2 Donation Fund <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    not a donation,

    you would see this money again. its an <i>investment</i>
  • ZavaroZavaro Tucson, Arizona Join Date: 2005-02-14 Member: 41174Members, Super Administrators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    <!--QuoteBegin-6john+Apr 24 2005, 06:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Apr 24 2005, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what if we all put money into an account to get 50k. record who put in how much. suppose person A puts in 1000, thats 1%. after, person A would recieve 1% of the profits created from that 50k. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you know that's 2% right?
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zavaro+Apr 24 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zavaro @ Apr 24 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-6john+Apr 24 2005, 06:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Apr 24 2005, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what if we all put money into an account to get 50k. record who put in how much. suppose person A puts in 1000, thats 1%. after, person A would recieve 1% of the profits created from that 50k. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you know that's 2% right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    oops, dont know what i was thinking. fixed now.
  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-6john+Apr 24 2005, 09:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john @ Apr 24 2005, 09:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->not a donation,

    you would see this money again. its an <i>investment</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is no guarantee of return, or even that you won't lose all your principal. So I don't think 10,000 screaming upset forum members is what they want to risk.

    On the other hand...raising venture capital through "micropayments" (and hence "microinvestors") is a very interesting idea.
  • evidenceevidence Join Date: 2004-10-07 Member: 32143Members
    TBH if I gave $10 to help flayra I wouldnt be all that upset if I never saw it again, I mean its only $10.

    Hell Id donate $10 just for the hell of it if flarya asked.
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited April 2005
    $50,000 is not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. That's why it's a minimum, just to weed out the non-serious investors. Also, there is absolutely no feasible way to keep track of the "investments" of that many people. It would be an incredibly huge hassle to treat such trivial individual contributions as separate investments. If you want to donate, send something to Constellation.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    since flayra will only take investments of 50k+, im saying we would have to do this on our own. like set up our own bank account or something and have people paypal in the money.

    and no, theres no gaurantee of getting your money back, but think about the constis. they donated at least 20 each, KNOWING they werent getting much of anything in return except a forum and possibly a beta.

    most people wouldnt invest more than they are willing to lose, BUT there WILL be people that know this game will take off, and invest MORE money because they are positive they will see it again, and maybe even more.

    no theres not a gaurantee of getting your money back, but if ns2 takes off and gets a lot of money, the people that donate more will earn more.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Apr 24 2005, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Apr 24 2005, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...Also, there is absolutely no feasible way to keep track of the "investments" of that many people. It would be an incredibly huge hassle to treat such trivial individual contributions as separate investments.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    not necessarily.

    as the investments are made, the names addresses, and amount invested are put into a spreadsheet. they arent all going to come in 1 day. and if the investments are paypalled to a bank account, the bank might already have a spreadsheet of the bank statement that could be gotten ahold of. then you take the profit, put it into the spreadsheet, put in the right formulas and it would calculate how much money each person would get in profits. then send the money back through paypal. it would be a lot of work, and the person who does it i think should be deserving of some of the profit, but its doable.
  • omletteomlette Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18457Members, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    No. While it's a nice thought, it will not happen.
  • DaJMastaDaJMasta Join Date: 2005-01-10 Member: 34750Members, Constellation
    yes good thought, and it has a chance, but if we all join consties, flayra wont need all the bonus cash <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Hell ive been playing since 3.0 beta 3 (not very long) and im defintely gonna muster up the cash sometime. The dev team more than deserves it.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    yes donating to consti would help the dev team and all, but this is on a much higher level. the consti thing has always been around, and its been 20 dollars. for this you could help out for 5 dollars, and possibly earn money off of it.
  • evidenceevidence Join Date: 2004-10-07 Member: 32143Members
    Im not really interested in investing I dont want anything back. But like if flayra said something like donate and u can playtest that would be flipping wicked and well worth whatever flayra is asking for a donation.

    I liked the idea that flayra had about paying $50 and being told that when the game comes out you get it for free, so its like you purchased the game at a lower cost because of you faith in the dev team.
  • CxwfCxwf Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13168Members, Constellation
    Yes, I like the idea where your investment is kept track of as a "preorder" on NS2 rather than a monetary investment. Don't know if Flayra is still actively considering that anymore though...never saw the results of the poll.
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    The problem with all of this is that you're essentially selling stock shares in ns2, without UE being a publically traded company. Since they aren't a publically traded company, they aren't bound to the same accounting rules. The books for the inc. are't open to public scrutiny so its hard to trust the management of the money when it comes to reimbursing investors.

    Maybe i don't know what i'm talking about, if someone knows more about this, chime in.
  • LinkLink Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1510Members
    Whilst I like the idea in princible, I would not recommend it. Unless you have some iron clad agreements that every person signs, you are going to end up with a lot of law suits. Unfortunately, most people are stupid and will try to have you bankrupted if you make the simplest mistake.
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    This is a bad idea because all of the microinvestors would feel they have a say in a product that they are "funding" to be released without putting forth a serious investment.

    Can you get 10,000 people to give 5$? Good luck.

    you are better off trying to partner up with someone else, or a small group, putting in 10,000$ each, that would be more reasonable than what you are suggesting.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    I'm all for the idea, although I'd like to see someone on the NS team in charge of the paypal/bank accounts etc.

    Nothing personal to any other member it just seems best if a trusted person who is already involved with the company keeps hold and is the only person with access to those details.
  • ReKReK Join Date: 2004-08-30 Member: 31058Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    Yes, what happened to the pre-order NS2 idea? I would definately go for that. If you get this idea together and have someone everyone trusts behind the main account, I'll do it. It depends on how much cash I have on me at the time, but I'd be willing to put up anywhere between $10-50 (Canadian, I'll convert to US through paypal), more if I can.

    If flay does go ahead with the pre-order idea, I would, obviously, put my money into that, but I would still put a bit into this.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Apr 25 2005, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Apr 25 2005, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a bad idea because all of the microinvestors would feel they have a say in a product that they are "funding" to be released without putting forth a serious investment.

    Can you get 10,000 people to give 5$?  Good luck.

    you are better off trying to partner up with someone else, or a small group, putting in 10,000$ each, that would be more reasonable than what you are suggesting. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    apparently there is 3,000 constis. and thats 20 bux each. im not saying it would need 10k people with 5 dollars, im just saying 5 dollars is all it would take.


    edit: im not positive of the amount of constis, i heard it was 3k. if a dev could verify thatd be nice.
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 24 2005, 11:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 24 2005, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Im not really interested in investing I dont want anything back. But like if flayra said something like donate and u can playtest that would be flipping wicked and well worth whatever flayra is asking for a donation.

    I liked the idea that flayra had about paying $50 and being told that when the game comes out you get it for free, so its like you purchased the game at a lower cost because of you faith in the dev team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you familiar with the Constellation program?
  • YashYash Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31501Members, Constellation
    This is a seriously important topic, where are the devs?

    Jesus, how hard can it be to <b><u>DONATE</u></b> $5 to Flayra to speed up NS2?

    I'd do it right now if this became possible.
  • evidenceevidence Join Date: 2004-10-07 Member: 32143Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Apr 25 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Apr 25 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 24 2005, 11:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 24 2005, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Im not really interested in investing I dont want anything back. But like if flayra said something like donate and u can playtest that would be flipping wicked and well worth whatever flayra is asking for a donation.

    I liked the idea that flayra had about paying $50 and being told that when the game comes out you get it for free, so its like you purchased the game at a lower cost because of you faith in the dev team. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you familiar with the Constellation program? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you retarded or can you just not read.

    We are talking about ns2 not ns here flayra has never stated that consti members will be able to play test ns2
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    I doubt Flayra would want this by the language he used when talking to potential investors. If you desire to donate a smaller sum individually, do it through Constellation.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Flayra said he wants serious and committed investors who have had experience with this before.
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