3rd Person

Moebius · November 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">Cheat or Not?</div> Is 3rd person mode considered cheating... I notice that I seem to get less lag when I use 3rd person. I have no idea why but it seems to run smoother, and I use it most of the time, I like to be able to see myself doing things.

Y3ti · November 2002

Cheat. well... yea don't use it

TychoCelchuuu · November 2002

As far as I know, it wasnt supposed to be in the game. Thats really cheating.

Tazol · November 2002

I'd consider it a cheat, since it'd allow you to see where your enemies, without them seeing you. Just like when you spectate a player and you can look around a corner, you could do that with third-person and see what's there while what may be there, can't see you. Also, if you were a Marine and were in 3rd-person, you'd be able to kill a skulk (with getting used to) easier than in 1st-person because you won't lose sight of it when it's jumping sporadically and circle-strafing you. This also applies vice versa, because sometimes I find I lose the marine I was biting for a few seconds so it'd make it easier, I'd imagine.

Vektuz · November 2002

Yep. If you have to jump through a few hoops just to enable it, it's a good bet that its a cheat.

Especially because you can peek around corners you wouldn't normally be able to see around, without being seen, that alone == huge cheat

Moebius · November 2002

You don't have to jump through any hoops to enable it... it's one console command, and I was mainly asking people who are more involved in the mod, since I care not for opinions.

SniperSkunk · November 2002

If it is NOT considered a cheat... may I have the console command?

In SOME games (IE : Jedi Knight 2) I prefer 3rd person... in others I prefer first (IE : Serious Sam games).

I'd like to give 3rd a try and see if it helps or not.

Rabid_Llama · November 2002

3rd person works in online mode? I'd been using it in LAN games to just check out models, but I guess I never tried it online...
And I'm not sure if it's a cheat or not... I personally know a few exploits of it, depending on what kinds of things are left enabled by the coders... hmm. I'll have to do a bit of research to see if there's anything damaging that needs to be turned off.

DarkWulf · November 2002

i would rather the 3rd person stay in...

i think as a skulk it would help quite a bit to play with a 3rd person bite. (Science and Industry does this with the briefcase, and i personally think it is quite fun)

and sheesh, ever watch a skulk jump up onto a marine as the marine tries desperately to kill it? its fun from the marine side (IE: shooting as it comes down) but who wouldn't want to be on the giving end? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Pulse · November 2002

3rd person is for melee, first person is just plain better when you have a ranged weapon, but 3p really helps my l337 s4b3r sk1llz in JK2. Maybe in the next version you could have it at a keypress for the aliens, and a smaller muzzle flash for marines.

othell · November 2002

this is the funniest thing i've ever seen. 3rd person view is not meant to be used in NS (it IS however meant to be used in JKII, so dont try to bring that in here). it IS a cheat for almost every FPS game because it does let you see around corners and such when you SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO. on top of this, the idea that you can attack better with it also labels it as a cheat. you ARE SUPPOSED TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE SKULK or when you are a skulk you're SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE MARINE. this is an RTS/<b>FPS</b>. see the emphasis on FPS??

i cant even believe people are even considering this.

and Moebius... if you're not interested in people's opinions then i have a feeling that a public forum is the wrong place to ask about cheating (especially since this topic has come up before so search next time).

Moebius · November 2002

*pcchhh* announcement we have a know-it-all here. Oh and what unpublic forums will I ask on Oh Smart One? Secondly I did search, and guess what? No answer to my question. It has been asked, but left unanswered. You can't attack better it's twice as hard to aim even in melee. Before a word comes out of your mouth please <b>THINK</b> emphasis on think.

Pulse · November 2002

3rd person is utterly useless in anything other than melee, just try hitting that lerk not 2 metres from you face when you cant tell where your aiming up/down wise (this is the HL engine at work here folks) but in melee (hence JK2 or say... a skulk) it is really usefull, might be unbalancing in favor of the aliens though

Pawn · November 2002

third person is a cheat.
i've seen it an action it REALLY helps close combat and avoiding enemys
and if i'm not imtaken the 3rd person commad is disabled in multiplayer it requires a script...no?

Moebius · November 2002

No Pawn it is not disabled, second time I've said this. It is disabled in CS and AHL. Last I played DoD it worked, but that was months ago, and it works in NS.

Those are the only mods I have played, I don't know about any others.

And for people who think that you can just switch back and forth during battle, sorry you can't you have to reconnect to the server <3rdpersoncommand;retry> or <1stpersoncommand;retry> or it wont work so you can't just switch back and forth for melee and ranged combat. I omitted the actual command to protect it if the developers do not want it used.

Rabid_Llama · November 2002

Well, I just found the command myself (at least the EASY way to do it is disabled), and.. well, lemmie send an email to flayra real quick about it
Some not-nice stuff in there, for not-nice people to make use of. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>
Oh, and if it's left in, a thirdperson skulk with the alien "flashlight" thing where all aliens are translucent would be pretty nasty. You can see yourself, and see THROUGH yourself.
I, for one, like the idea of thirdperson, just some other parts of it need to be turned off.

Flayra · November 2002

If thirdperson is enabled for multiplayer, it won't be for long. I thought this was only included in servers with maxplayers of 1, I'll look into it for v1.1.

Pawn · November 2002

i just tried it in NS and it didn't work. are you running3rd person before the game or somthing

i just tried it in normal halflife and it dosen't work WTF

QuantumSlip · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra @ Nov 18 2002, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If thirdperson is enabled for multiplayer, it won't be for long. I thought this was only included in servers with maxplayers of 1, I'll look into it for v1.1.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
w00t thanks for stomping it out when it comes out! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Moebius · November 2002

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<img src='http://virusclan.netfirms.com/HalfLife2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

Here is a screenshot of the m4d h4x, there are some disadvantages. As an alien you can't see the hivesight(you can see the words, but not the circles you have to look around until you get the words to show up) and as a marine you can't see waypoints or the map.

Rabid_Llama · November 2002

heh, I have some madder h4x than that using thirdperson, but after a bit of testing, they seem to be fairly benign, so no problem. And I don't plan on using them myself anyway. I test-h4x to prevent others from real-h4xing
I'm still sad that my poor thirdperson is going away <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>
I'm gonna use it for skulking until 1.1 comes out. Too bad it's a pain to use <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Pawn · November 2002

ok i just an idoit ok <img src='http://houseofvs.homestead.com/files/Pawn/ns_tanith0001.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

RhoadsToNowhere · November 2002

Okay, Flayra has answered this question. No need to be spamming irrelevant pictures or stating how you h4x.

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