Rate Changed

CheeseCheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">dunno why. plz help</div> Ok so i played a funwar yesterday. with my clan. And our opponents told me afterwards that my rate settings sucked. One of my fellow clanmates told me the same thing.

He said my rate was at 5000

now...here is the thing:

first for the record "i didnt change anything in my settings so they are the same as they have been in the war"

Now i had a look into my userconfig. showed me a rate of 25000. Which is actually <b>not</b> 5000.

So i thought...ok perhaps in another config...(which i didnt execute during the war so this search was kidn of useless) but even in these configs the rates where set to 25000.

Last try: I went to the same server i played last night and did the "rate" thingy into the console. And still it showed me a rate of 25000.

Soo....what happened? The guys who told me that i have a rate of 5000 said they didnt make a mistake. And i believe my teammember....so...what happened?

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  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    Some servers can change your rates, so I hear. I remember one day my rate was 100 for some strange reason, then someone told me I should check em out. It's always nice to go from 500->60 ping with one command.
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  • CheeseCheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation
    ok...but this was a clanwar...and our opponents had the rcon password and complained afterwards about the reates. SO i dont think they changed it....has to be something else....

    Oh...and my pings were fine!
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    rates + config files are BAD.
    I pasted rates in my config, userconfig, autoexec a trillion times. They won't give. The game remembers the rate I set in console ingame, and ignores all else. OUCH.

    Second, rates get reset after a full install (as was 3.F) so perhaps thats it?

    Also ping can be fine, but does not mean rates are. Complicated stuff
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    mark the .cfg as read only
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  • falloutx2falloutx2 Join Date: 2003-05-01 Member: 15979Members, Constellation
    Another option is to make your config file something like realconfig.cfg then put exec realconfig.cfg at the end of the userconfig.

    That way, if anything goes weird in a pub/scrim/match, just re-exec the config and all is good.
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  • semipsychoticsemipsychotic Join Date: 2003-07-09 Member: 18061Members
    edited April 2005
    Changing your connection type under Steam's settings will change your rate variable in-game (5000 is the 56k setting, 25000 is probably the T1 setting). That probably isn't the problem, but hey, anything can help.
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    I doubt 5000 is the 56k setting. 56k is probably around 1000-2000. 10000 is the max value for rate. It ignores anything greater than 10000.
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  • Cloud_KingCloud_King Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9154Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-JNighthawk+Apr 7 2005, 03:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JNighthawk @ Apr 7 2005, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I doubt 5000 is the 56k setting. 56k is probably around 1000-2000. 10000 is the max value for rate. It ignores anything greater than 10000. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Wrong. this is a quote taken from a hl update(v4.1.1.1/3.1.1.1 )

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Changed <b>default</b> network rate to match max rate allowed (went from 9999 to 20000), for LAN servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href='http://www.fileplanet.com/51282/50000/fileinfo/Half-Life-Dedicated-Server-v4.1.1.1-Upgrade-%5BWin32%5D' target='_blank'>http://www.fileplanet.com/51282/50000/file...ade-%5BWin32%5D</a>
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  • Cj_the_DjCj_the_Dj Join Date: 2004-03-18 Member: 27398Members
    i think there's the "rate" command and there's "sv_rate". perhaps thats what's causing the confusion. there's also lan_rate or something like that, but it's insanely high and irrelevant.
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  • evidenceevidence Join Date: 2004-10-07 Member: 32143Members
    Something **** I ran into was I copied accross this guys ns folder on lan, ran ns then tried to change the configs in the menu as soon as you clicked apply it went straight back to the way it was. It did this for every setting even reverse mouse WTH???
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  • DrummerDrummer Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26654Members
    he had his config set to read-only
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  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cj the Dj+Apr 8 2005, 12:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cj the Dj @ Apr 8 2005, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i think there's the "rate" command and there's "sv_rate". perhaps thats what's causing the confusion. there's also lan_rate or something like that, but it's insanely high and irrelevant. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    sv_rate is just a server rate variable. Clients should not need to alter it. cl_rate exists though.

    You can have "dodgy rates" without high pings if cl_updaterate is too low. Set it to anything above 30; 50 recommended.

    Note that your ex_interp value should be set to 1/[your cl_updaterate] setting. (Well, the max rate setting of the server I believe.)

    HTH
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  • CarNagE1CarNagE1 Poland Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16298Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter, Subnautica Playtester
    I think this will answer your question:

    <a href='http://www.modns.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=272' target='_blank'>http://www.modns.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=272</a>
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  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Shouldn't use rates ending in triple 0, half-life sometimes drops the last 0 or the first number, meaning a rate of 25000 will be either 2500 or 5000.
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  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Shouldn't use rates ending in triple 0, half-life sometimes drops the last 0 or the first number, meaning a rate of 25000 will be either 2500 or 5000.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Now thats interesting... Any detailed information and/or link on this Frosty... Most of the netcode tweak tutorials dont mention this...

    EDIT: quote
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  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    dunno...i put it to 9999 (or 99999 ?) to prevent lag, dropped my ping about 40-50
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  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-gazOzz+Apr 8 2005, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gazOzz @ Apr 8 2005, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Shouldn't use rates ending in triple 0, half-life sometimes drops the last 0 or the first number, meaning a rate of 25000 will be either 2500 or 5000.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Now thats interesting... Any detailed information and/or link on this Frosty... Most of the netcode tweak tutorials dont mention this...

    EDIT: quote <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll look, but it was personal experiance that I noticed it, I would have rate at 15000, then have wierd hit reg, look at it and it was 1500, or 5000, but i'll see if I can find info for you gaz.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> dunno...i put it to 9999 (or 99999 ?) to prevent lag, dropped my ping about 40-50<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Remember what rate is, rate 1 means 1 byte/sec, so rate 99999 means 99999 bytes/sec, can your upstream support 100kb/s? (sorry if i'm wrong there, thats just how I've always interprated it) Thats why I use 13999 as my upstream is only 128kbits/s.
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  • TwelveTwelve Join Date: 2005-01-17 Member: 36044Members
    Getting your rates right requires a masters degree, why can't it just be automatic ?
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  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Twelve+Apr 8 2005, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twelve @ Apr 8 2005, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Getting your rates right requires a masters degree, why can't it just be automatic ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you want it to be automatet, lend me your support.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=90961' target='_blank'>link</a>
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  • CheeseCheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation
    hmm...so...the only possiblity is the thing frosty said. Or something else noone mentioned yet...

    As i wrote i went back to that same server the next day and executed the same conifgs. and my rates were at 25000.

    Oh and my configs are read only <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember what rate is, rate 1 means 1 byte/sec, so rate 99999 means 99999 bytes/sec, can your upstream support 100kb/s? (sorry if i'm wrong there, thats just how I've always interprated it) Thats why I use 13999 as my upstream is only 128kbits/s.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure, but as I said before, max rate is 10000.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Wrong. this is a quote taken from a hl update(v4.1.1.1/3.1.1.1 )

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Changed default network rate to match max rate allowed (went from 9999 to 20000), for LAN servers.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's only for LAN games. Max internet rate is 10k.
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  • pinkeyepinkeye Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23144Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-JNighthawk+Apr 8 2005, 09:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JNighthawk @ Apr 8 2005, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember what rate is, rate 1 means 1 byte/sec, so rate 99999 means 99999 bytes/sec, can your upstream support 100kb/s? (sorry if i'm wrong there, thats just how I've always interprated it) Thats why I use 13999 as my upstream is only 128kbits/s.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure, but as I said before, max rate is 10000.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Wrong. this is a quote taken from a hl update(v4.1.1.1/3.1.1.1 )

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Changed default network rate to match max rate allowed (went from 9999 to 20000), for LAN servers.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's only for LAN games. Max internet rate is 10k. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it doesnt differentiate between lan and online... the max is 20000 everywhere
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  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-pinkeye+Apr 8 2005, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pinkeye @ Apr 8 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-JNighthawk+Apr 8 2005, 09:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JNighthawk @ Apr 8 2005, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember what rate is, rate 1 means 1 byte/sec, so rate 99999 means 99999 bytes/sec, can your upstream support 100kb/s? (sorry if i'm wrong there, thats just how I've always interprated it) Thats why I use 13999 as my upstream is only 128kbits/s.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure, but as I said before, max rate is 10000.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Wrong. this is a quote taken from a hl update(v4.1.1.1/3.1.1.1 )

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Changed default network rate to match max rate allowed (went from 9999 to 20000), for LAN servers.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That's only for LAN games. Max internet rate is 10k. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it doesnt differentiate between lan and online... the max is 20000 everywhere <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm gonna side with pinkeye.. just cause I remember an announcement on the cal front page a while ago saying they 'updated the .cfg to allow for rates up to 20000'. :o
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  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Hmmmzzz, what a mess.

    Rate Max: 20000
    cl_rate: Locked at 9999 to prevent exploits in NS.

    Basic guide to help set your "rates", its not exact and works on your connection being stable.

    rate = [download speed in bytes/s]
    cl_rate = 0
    cl_updaterate = rate / 360
    cl_cmdrate = [upload speed in bytes/s] / 180
    (8bits=1byte, 1024bytes=1kbyte)

    By setting cl_rate to 0 it is meant to auto set it depending on your rate setting, given its locked in NS its pointless.

    Steam settings:

    56k: 3500
    1Meg and above: 20000

    For all connection types selected in steam it sets:

    cl_updaterate: 20
    cl_cmdrate: 30

    Hope this helps tidy it up abit.
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    cl_rate is the client's rate, while rate is... what? I remember rate having a max of 10k, but it could have been cl_rate, or I could just be remembering wrong.
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  • semipsychoticsemipsychotic Join Date: 2003-07-09 Member: 18061Members
    edited April 2005
    <a href='http://members.cox.net/benkarcher/netcode.doc' target='_blank'>http://members.cox.net/benkarcher/netcode.doc</a>

    Here's something that was posted on these boards a long while back that I'm glad that I've saved.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->rate:
    I’ve been assured that rate is capped at 20000.  Using anything above 20000 has no benefit, and could potentially lower performance.

    Recommendation:
    rate 20000.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is no real explanation of what rate is, but it's a great read concerning all of the other variables in question.

    There's a thread somewhere in S&I suggesting different default variables. I'm going to go hop on over there right now. *EDIT* Yeah, the thread I was thinking about is Faskalia's thread. See his post above.
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    I know, horrible, horrible link. valve needs to make some desent links.
    ah well, they made the freaking netcode, they know best:

    <a href='http://steampowered.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/steampowered.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=254&p_created=1096521254&p_sid=E3N_GsCh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzEmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1yYXRl&p_li=&p_topview=1' target='_blank'>http://steampowered.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/s...li=&p_topview=1</a>
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  • TrakenTraken Join Date: 2004-11-14 Member: 32797Members
    As to why rates were reset I think it has to do with 3.02. I always play on the same server and hadnt played for 3 days before and after 3.02 and then all of a sudden my rates get reset.

    I say either that or the Steam update caused it...or the VALVe survey.
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  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    Having a low rate of 5000 will not make you harder to hit, or harder to play against. Not even a rate of 1 will make you hard to hit.


    Rate affects are client side only, so it's at your advantage to keep them high. Lowering your rate will make the game unbearably laggy, since rate is how fast you <b>take</b> information from the server.

    Setting your rate too high for your connection (i.e. 2501 is a good setting for 56K) will just make the game lag for you since your client will try to download too much information at once.

    cl_rate is a command which controls how fast you send info to the server; so naturally if you lower it then it will make you appear laggy to others since the server will not know exactly where your real position is. However, you will still see things normal if you keep your rate high. That is why cl_rate is locked to 9999. cl_rate is your upload, rate is download.

    Hope that clears any questions up.
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  • comradecomrade Join Date: 2003-11-30 Member: 23774Members
    cl_rate isn't locked in any way
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