ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
*Bumpage*
I demand an update on the status of your work <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> This is too good to lay in the dust! Have you completely finished her helmet yet? Hoiw are the work on a weapon? I'd love to see her carrying a GL.
I´m working in a MOD of HL2 too, called S.T.A.R.S it´s a brazilian modification. If i need some help, could 3d studio max and XSI designers help me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I Think female marine models like that would off set most girl players and only apeal to male players. like magazines that portray unrealalistic expectations for the word "hot".
ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
Well the thing is there SHOULD be a choice of course. Whenever you're about to spawn in, you can have the option of picking your model. If someone doesn't like the model, he/she can pick a different one.
we already have a discussion about that in the I&S forums! pick <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=77775' target='_blank'>this topic</a> and support me =) I suggest you should ready the whole conversation in it and then post your idea(s)
<!--QuoteBegin-Lt Realness+Mar 14 2005, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt Realness @ Mar 14 2005, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> no they won't! they won't even look that much different in the standard combat suits! for example in starship troopers.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> not this again...
hot is hot, realistic is realistic, up to artists choice means up to artists choice. and we are talking about a GAME here!
read carefully gravy! He was asking for the game!! not for fun! for fun I have the same opinion about what and how the artists are choosing and creating their models!
The thing is that the game won't make any exeptions for womens because NS has its own world. So the military won't create extra sexy uniforms for women! you don't even have that in some movies with female troops. I think that girls will find their own way how they can look sexy in these suits. for example removing some pads or pulling up the sleeves.
ps. and it's also very sexistic of you and others to think like that...maybe girls don't want to walk around like this... sexyness before safety?
when there are some female marines, they would look like this >> look at the pic I posted<<
the wrong thing most people do is that they want the female marines like a pin up girl! sorry, they are no pin up girls. they are frontierswomen like their male partners too. the only way you can see them in VERY sexy clothes may be off duty, or in the lockerroom. but not in combat. ofcourse the torso armor can be a little bit smaller like sheena already created it. (I really like her model!!)
now back to the picture i posted. It was made by a girl of this forums. and I'm now quoting myself from the I&S forums yesterday when sb asked me the same question.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm pretty sure they will make a new one. Like I said before Sheenas female marine model may look too random like. You have to see it from the point that any army has no special battle uniforms for women. Only the size of the clothes is not that big as it is for men. So I think the only difference we might see will be the body size (girls are mostly smaller than boys), the hair, the face and the arms + legs might be not that thick as the ones of their male partners =) and their **** might look hot <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Church+Mar 16 2005, 06:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Church @ Mar 16 2005, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So why exactly are NURBs and games so incompatible? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Because they have a million jillion polies. Plus it's an entirely different way of modelling. Oh wait, I have no clue actually, I'm not a modeller...
what sheena SHOULD do is if NS:S is ever made she can normal map this model onto a low polygon version, although that might take some more work, i would prolly pay her to do it LOL.
ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
True, but I still think there should be a choice. I mean, after all, this is a game, not the real world, and htis game isn't about realism anyways. If there is a model that looks like a pin-up, then people should have the choice to use it, just like they would have the choice to use a non-pin-up model.
Personally, I think if there is a female model, it should like Sheena's, not some girl running around in a bikini. Even with regular female models, there would probably be a small wave of discrimination among members, and the annoying 'omg ASL'.
<!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Mar 16 2005, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Mar 16 2005, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even with regular female models, there would probably be a small wave of discrimination among members, and the annoying 'omg ASL'. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thinking about it, it's funny. In NS me and 2 other friends, well not me but my other 2 friends decided to pretend to be girls (there were 2-3 female players on our server and guess what the other players did). Also we were well known to be on the same server frequently. My 2 friends changed their names, after about an hour people started hitting on them. Like "OMGBBQ You're kind of good for a girl lolerz" and other comments like that.
Also in a certain MMORPG I play (FFXI) some players decide to help the female characters and give them free stuff and try to hit on them. I see it often and I find it quite funny. There is this thing called a linkshell (like a clan but you can be in more than one linkshell) and in a certain linkshell I am in players would rather help the "female" players, and ignore the male characters.
Actually when I say "female" players change it to "female" characters/avatars. Also note most of the female characters are really guys irl, or they have a boy friend/girlfriend, wife/husband. So I don't know why people keep hitting on female characters.
its ironic cos the chicks usaly find me i mean i look for them, but dang, i cant be known every were
eg take a look at my wow friends list 80% are chicks, note my friends list is packed i gotta take people out and add otehrs in to take other out ot add people back in its never ending any way 80% females, 75% are jealous of the other chicks on my friends list, i cant stand it, i got a girl i like god dang it why tease me, preashure me this is unfair
<!--QuoteBegin-Condizzle+Mar 16 2005, 11:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Condizzle @ Mar 16 2005, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally, I think if there is a female model, it should like Sheena's, not some girl running around in a bikini. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that's what I think too! but I think she needs to be recolored (the armor only) because it doesn't look like the Frontiersmen armor. and this is exactly the point. sheena said she didn't want to make it that original.
but I'd like to see this model in NS source definitely! if she's a constellation member she may have some influence =)
and I still cant get it... people talk about nurbs. infact they are surfaces made out of polygons. that means when creating this surface you have to define the "resolution" of the mesh. and there are some progs out there where you can change stuff you created *ducks*
example: me uses a purely 3D modeller that is even capable in creating 1:1 scaled models. a surface can be created out of 2 guiding curves. guess what does happen if I change one of the curves? the surface changes aswell.
only problem: you have to export .stl because thats the only game compatible format but it will give you perfect aligned polygons. te resolution of the model is then defines by the display resolution of the model. weird... but you create a model once and you have hundreds of resolutions, from low res to "OMG!".
its amazing, the headset just rocks. but personally I would like a camouflage armor or something like that. anything that doesnt look too normal.
but first of all we want to see some renders of nancy in ACTION!!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
most likely rocking the show by taking a complete hiveroom out by herself. ok. she would need a hmg at least <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and some stupid looking male marine cowards in the background XD
i really hate the argument that the tsa would not create customized armor for female members...
you ask why?
because natural selection is set in a distant future, where everything can be produced with almost 0 effort wit the help of nanites... i mean..there are not even custom machines needet to create a female armor .... just the programming of the nanite controller, and poof.. instant female armor , produced in the same time, with the same ammount of recources.. with the same nanites...
i dont get this silly argument of "they wont do special armor for them"
its the future damnit , they dont have to produce those things with machines like present body armors
and no, a heavy armor wont look different , but given to the sometimes different size ,i bet the heavy armor got a internal customiseable structure, it would be plausible that the heavy armor can set himself to the bodysize of the user, self adjusting lenght of the limbs, and with of the shoulders, you cant built a servo powered exoskeleton for one size
<!--QuoteBegin-NEX9+Mar 18 2005, 07:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEX9 @ Mar 18 2005, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> umm what i wouldnt give to be the a susan mizzi HA, she can adjust me to fit her like a glove and i can protect her and keep her safe, DRoooollls <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> XD hahaha
yes it is the future. and yes the naintes can create a similar armor. I just posted this opinion because it's what I mostly hear from the devs. when sb suggests something!
but the color. it's a uniform. why should females look different?? there is no "I" in the army. everything should be uniformly. so If there's a different armor version for females, they should even have the same color.
Starship Troopers was also in the future and the uniforms looked like the same, but womens had just a few different parts of the uniform, specialised for females (look onto Carmen Ibanezs Uniform while she's running to the shuttle in the very beginning of her education in the fleet). this one is special tailored for women.
ps. : I really like your model! I got no objections against it! it rocks! and I'd like to see it in NS:S! =)
omg.. i dont know how often i have to mention it again.... i think i will write it in caps this time...
THIS ARE NOT THE FINAL COLORS
THIS ARE TEST MATERIALS FOR BETTER CONTRAST
IT IS NOT TEXTURED OR UVMAPPED YET
THIS IS NOT THE FINISHED VERSION, OR NEARLY FINISHED
i dont know why colors on a work in progress model are in any way important...
here we go.... and no, i wont change the color till its finished... when its done, the armor gets colored white anyways, otherwise texturing would not be very usefull
this color discussion was already 10 times there, and last time i did this <img src='http://yanai.blackmage.org/nancy/front.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
lmao @ the pic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
it's cool that you take that humoruus =) I didn't want to bother you with that. sorry. I know you gave me some answer last year where you said "no I will not color it like the original marine". I didn't check the last posts about that.
sorry, I'm a marine freak and so on =( but like I said before. I really like your model! so don't take any of my comments as an offend kay ? =/
Ah yes, every ninja marine's dreams: purple armor. How bout a strobelight to top it off? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I demand an update on the status of your work <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> This is too good to lay in the dust! Have you completely finished her helmet yet? Hoiw are the work on a weapon? I'd love to see her carrying a GL.
Pretty models...
I´m working in a MOD of HL2 too, called S.T.A.R.S it´s a brazilian modification.
If i need some help, could 3d studio max and XSI designers help me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
=P
would females look any diffrent in hev armor?
I suggest you should ready the whole conversation in it and then post your idea(s)
not this again...
hot is hot, realistic is realistic, up to artists choice means up to artists choice. and we are talking about a GAME here!
The thing is that the game won't make any exeptions for womens because NS has its own world. So the military won't create extra sexy uniforms for women! you don't even have that in some movies with female troops. I think that girls will find their own way how they can look sexy in these suits. for example removing some pads or pulling up the sleeves.
ps. and it's also very sexistic of you and others to think like that...maybe girls don't want to walk around like this...
sexyness before safety?
when there are some female marines, they would look like this >> look at the pic I posted<<
the wrong thing most people do is that they want the female marines like a pin up girl! sorry, they are no pin up girls. they are frontierswomen like their male partners too. the only way you can see them in VERY sexy clothes may be off duty, or in the lockerroom. but not in combat. ofcourse the torso armor can be a little bit smaller like sheena already created it. (I really like her model!!)
now back to the picture i posted. It was made by a girl of this forums.
and I'm now quoting myself from the I&S forums yesterday when sb asked me the same question.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm pretty sure they will make a new one. Like I said before Sheenas female marine model may look too random like. You have to see it from the point that any army has no special battle uniforms for women. Only the size of the clothes is not that big as it is for men. So I think the only difference we might see will be the body size (girls are mostly smaller than boys), the hair, the face and the arms + legs might be not that thick as the ones of their male partners =)
and their **** might look hot <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because they have a million jillion polies. Plus it's an entirely different way of modelling.
Oh wait, I have no clue actually, I'm not a modeller...
Btw, good work, too bad HL cannot support a million jillion polygons
:'(
Thinking about it, it's funny. In NS me and 2 other friends, well not me but my other 2 friends decided to pretend to be girls (there were 2-3 female players on our server and guess what the other players did). Also we were well known to be on the same server frequently. My 2 friends changed their names, after about an hour people started hitting on them. Like "OMGBBQ You're kind of good for a girl lolerz" and other comments like that.
Also in a certain MMORPG I play (FFXI) some players decide to help the female characters and give them free stuff and try to hit on them. I see it often and I find it quite funny. There is this thing called a linkshell (like a clan but you can be in more than one linkshell) and in a certain linkshell I am in players would rather help the "female" players, and ignore the male characters.
Actually when I say "female" players change it to "female" characters/avatars. Also note most of the female characters are really guys irl, or they have a boy friend/girlfriend, wife/husband. So I don't know why people keep hitting on female characters.
eg take a look at my wow friends list 80% are chicks, note my friends list is packed i gotta take people out and add otehrs in to take other out ot add people back in its never ending any way 80% females, 75% are jealous of the other chicks on my friends list, i cant stand it, i got a girl i like god dang it why tease me, preashure me this is unfair
not bad sheena
*note to sellf must get sig
that's what I think too! but I think she needs to be recolored (the armor only) because it doesn't look like the Frontiersmen armor. and this is exactly the point. sheena said she didn't want to make it that original.
but I'd like to see this model in NS source definitely! if she's a constellation member she may have some influence =)
example: me uses a purely 3D modeller that is even capable in creating 1:1 scaled models. a surface can be created out of 2 guiding curves. guess what does happen if I change one of the curves? the surface changes aswell.
only problem: you have to export .stl because thats the only game compatible format but it will give you perfect aligned polygons. te resolution of the model is then defines by the display resolution of the model. weird... but you create a model once and you have hundreds of resolutions, from low res to "OMG!".
its amazing, the headset just rocks. but personally I would like a camouflage armor or something like that. anything that doesnt look too normal.
but first of all we want to see some renders of nancy in ACTION!!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and some stupid looking male marine cowards in the background XD
you ask why?
because natural selection is set in a distant future, where everything can be produced with almost 0 effort wit the help of nanites... i mean..there are not even custom machines needet to create a female armor .... just the programming of the nanite controller, and poof.. instant female armor , produced in the same time, with the same ammount of recources.. with the same nanites...
i dont get this silly argument of "they wont do special armor for them"
its the future damnit , they dont have to produce those things with machines like
present body armors
and no, a heavy armor wont look different , but given to the sometimes different size ,i bet the heavy armor got a internal customiseable structure, it would be plausible that the heavy armor can set himself to the bodysize of the user, self adjusting lenght of the limbs, and with of the shoulders, you cant built a servo powered exoskeleton for one size
XD hahaha
but the color. it's a uniform. why should females look different?? there is no "I" in the army. everything should be uniformly. so If there's a different armor version for females, they should even have the same color.
Starship Troopers was also in the future and the uniforms looked like the same, but womens had just a few different parts of the uniform, specialised for females (look onto Carmen Ibanezs Uniform while she's running to the shuttle in the very beginning of her education in the fleet). this one is special tailored for women.
ps. : I really like your model! I got no objections against it! it rocks! and I'd like to see it in NS:S! =)
i think i will write it in caps this time...
THIS ARE NOT THE FINAL COLORS
THIS ARE TEST MATERIALS FOR BETTER CONTRAST
IT IS NOT TEXTURED OR UVMAPPED YET
THIS IS NOT THE FINISHED VERSION, OR NEARLY FINISHED
i dont know why colors on a work in progress model are in any way important...
here we go.... and no, i wont change the color till its finished... when its done, the armor gets colored white anyways, otherwise texturing would not be very usefull
this color discussion was already 10 times there, and last time i did this
<img src='http://yanai.blackmage.org/nancy/front.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
it's cool that you take that humoruus =) I didn't want to bother you with that. sorry. I know you gave me some answer last year where you said "no I will not color it like the original marine". I didn't check the last posts about that.
sorry, I'm a marine freak and so on =(
but like I said before. I really like your model! so don't take any of my comments as an offend kay ? =/