<div class="IPBDescription">Fix it already?</div> NS World is a real pain. It's ugly, buggy and not moderated. Imo, the whole site needs to be redone. GET BACK TO WORK
As poorly and harshly as its worded I have to agree, with both the post and signature <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
thursday be nice, its his 4000. post <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the only thing I dont like about ns world is the weird naming system of the maps. some have co or ns prefix, some dont. the admin should correct it. and some of the maps are pretty old and not playable under 3.0
If the site didn't timeout so much when you wanted to post comments then the scoring system would actually work. More people would be encouraged to vote and the older maps (some 3 years old WIPs with no pics or dl) would be left at the bottom of the list. <span style='color:white'>[Edit]</span> Also the Mods go through and remove all of the dead links, there are sooo many.
Actually you'd have to change it so that only 1 vote per map per user was allowed, at the moment absolutely anyone can vote, even the map author!?<span style='color:orange'>*</span>
I personally would like to see NSWorld revamped and revived to keep NS going once it reaches final release.
<span style='color:orange'>*</span> Yes this has happened, a few months back <s>Nexus</s> one mapper tried to boost his score by using an unmistakabl<s>y</s>e <s>Nexus-style</s> email address and raved on -in very bad English- about how good the map was.
<!--QuoteBegin-Crispy+Feb 6 2005, 08:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crispy @ Feb 6 2005, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the site didn't timeout so much when you wanted to post comments then the scoring system would actually work. More people would be encouraged to vote and the older maps (some 3 years old WIPs with no pics or dl) would be left at the bottom of the list. <span style='color:white'>[Edit]</span> Also the Mods go through and remove all of the dead links, there are sooo many.
Actually you'd have to change it so that only 1 vote per map per user was allowed, at the moment absolutely anyone can vote, even the map author!?<span style='color:orange'>*</span>
I personally would like to see NSWorld revamped and revived to keep NS going once it reaches final release.
<span style='color:orange'>*</span> Yes this has happened, a few months back <s>exus</s> one mapper tried to boost his score by using an unmistakabl<s>y</s>e <s>exus-style</s> email address and raved on -in very bad English- about how good the map was. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Remove the 'N' (as I have in your quote) and no one can rave about you using the N word <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Although yesh, NS World needs to change its voting system. Maybe it could become more similar to The Snarkpit system?
Seriously though, I really would like to see some changes made to NS World. Mainly the whole navigation. It's pretty horrible right now. Using frames would be a good idea, right now, the login screen and whatnot takes you to a whole new window without the side menu and all that stuff.
And also, it doesn't really work that well with FireFox. I can't seem to be able to register a new account or log in on my old one. You can't comment as well. It really needs to be a little FireFox friendly.
Moderation would be nice. Very nice, actually. Right now, it's full of siege maps, box maps, fun_box_siege_author_beta5_rc2 maps. It really wants to make you cry. Most of them are even worse by lack of grammar and lack of screenshots. And if there are screenshots, they're dead. Authors shouldn't be able to vote for their own maps too. It's cheating.
There are ways of getting things done jezpuh, bad mouthing my site in here is not one of them.
PM or Email is the prefered contact method for reporting bugs, suggesting new or changed features, volunteering as a moderator or reviewer (of which I have had none for over a year).
Sign up and login work fine in Firefox (i'm using it right now). I acknowledge the vote doesn't work in Firefox and now it's pointed out I could fix it (but I might just leave it in to **** off Jezpuh).
I still have no better suggestions for the vote system, except an overly elaborate one invoving registation and confimration emails which I feel is OTT for casual gamers.
It's uneducated **** threads like this that remind me why I left this abusive community to rot in it's own fetid juices.
Its bad luck to rant on something that you dont pay for, NSWORLD is a free service! you dont pay a cent for it, would you rather it didnt exsist? didnt think so. ITS A FREE SERVICE! now if you had to pay 5 bucks a month then it would be plenty reason to crap on him for making (in your eyes) such a bad website. But do you have to pay? no! So instead of ranting on the site kindly make suggestions, offer to do stuff yourself. Dont just complain, no ones wants to give there time and energy and probally money in exchange for bad comments and rants! so please give the guy a little respect! thats right R E S P E C T WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO ME!
Have you reached puberty yet, Chrome? I'm simply telling what I think could use some improvement to create an (even) better site. I'm not saying that it's bad at all. It's nice to have something like this. But it's still far from perfect. If I offended you, sorry. I didn't mean to. But please, the site could use some refreshment and moderation. If you're ok with, I'd like to moderate it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Jezpuh+Feb 10 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jezpuh @ Feb 10 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Have you reached puberty yet, Chrome? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> With comments like that, it's no wonder your account suspended recently, learn from others mistakes (such as mine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
CA acknowledges he needs to re-work it, and if I could help out in any way I would. I'm not that hot at art or anything, but maybe we should start a project within this thread with concept ideas on a new NS World site to help CA out a bit? Site concepts on paper or graphical images could be posted in thread and commented on? Ideas for new systems aswell? It will also stop CA's inbox from being flooded <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ChromeAngel, this thread came from the other thread where you suddenly appeared to say that this guy's NS mapping section wasn't needed because we have NS World. You also told the guy that his site had some design issues.
So you can understand completely where this thread came from. You put in an appearance, so we know you're around to see this thread, and we tell it to you straight. Now please don't take this criticism as if I don't appreciate NS World, if I didn't then I wouldn't care about whether it was made better or not. Here's what I have to say:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PM or Email is the prefered contact method for reporting bugs, suggesting new or changed features, volunteering as a moderator or reviewer (of which I have had none for over a year).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nobody's gonna apply as a reviewer for a site whose only updates are solely user-based. The administration needs to make an appearance every now and again. Another reason you won't get anyone applying is because you still link to <i>natural-selection.org</i>, nobody wants to join a team who doesn't look after their own site.
I once did email to suggest an addition to the list of NS Mapping inspiration. I never got a reply, not even "We'll consider it" or "I'm not sure how much that would add to the NS Universe" - nothing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I still have no better suggestions for the vote system, except an overly elaborate one invoving registation and confimration emails which I feel is OTT for casual gamers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->One problem with the vote system is that people come along and vote a WIP map down simply because it's WIP and it doesn't look perfect. This either puts a lot of mappers off adding their map(s) or means that a good map will have a lower score simply because someone voted it badly in the WIP stage, which brings me to my next point.
The other problem with the voting system is that you cannot edit a previous vote. If you make a mistake (just count the number of comments that totally praise the map yet give 2thumbsdown, or the number of people who voted ?). When a map seriously improves because a mapper has listened to constructive criticism and worked on his creation, I'd like to up my vote to reflect this. At the moment you really have to make one entry for WIP (if you can face the harsh comments), another for Beta and a third for the final release. This means everyone has to revote and it all becomes rather tiresome.
I'd suggest a drop-down menu in the entry editing options for the different stages of the map (Planning>WIP>Beta Testing>Final Release). When a mapper decided that his map had moved to the next stage he could change this menu to Beta Testing -for example- and the votes that he received for the WIP would be null. An (better) alternative would be to disallow voting for the first two stages (Planning and WIP), but allow comments to be made in the spirit of encouraging the mapper to keep at it.
I hope that my opinions weren't too uneducated for you.
<!--QuoteBegin-ChromeAngel+Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChromeAngel @ Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's uneducated **** threads like this that remind me why I left this abusive community to rot in it's own fetid juices. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _
<!--QuoteBegin-Moconnor+Feb 10 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moconnor @ Feb 10 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChromeAngel+Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChromeAngel @ Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's uneducated **** threads like this that remind me why I left this abusive community to rot in it's own fetid juices. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Damn right.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-Jezpuh+Feb 10 2005, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jezpuh @ Feb 10 2005, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Moconnor+Feb 10 2005, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moconnor @ Feb 10 2005, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ChromeAngel+Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChromeAngel @ Feb 10 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's uneducated **** threads like this that remind me why I left this abusive community to rot in it's own fetid juices. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Damn right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Must be cause his squirrel is shaking to much <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/TSA_Skin-975/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
It's mostly just Jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> But yea, NSWorld does need a bit of work done on it.
I'd like to see a system that filters maps by the version they were built for, so no more 1.04 maps that don't work in 3.0b6.
Also, fixing the voting system to work with non IE browsers would be nice too.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 11 2005, 02:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 11 2005, 02:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's mostly just Jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> But yea, NSWorld does need a bit of work done on it.
I'd like to see a system that filters maps by the version they were built for, so no more 1.04 maps that don't work in 3.0b6.
Also, fixing the voting system to work with non IE browsers would be nice too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Fixing the site so that it works with IE is prolly faster then waiting for an update for IE <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've never seen this problem since I use the allmighty and firedup internet fox ^^
<!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 11 2005, 01:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 11 2005, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, fixing the voting system to work with non IE browsers would be nice too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The voting system works for both my Firefox & IE.
Alright, I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time, figured I'd write it all down.
1: The whole site is based upon users. Registration should be fast and simple to make it easy. 2: Guests can still comment and vote on maps, however their votes are cast into the "Guest votes", whereas if they register their vote will be added under "User votes". Each account/ip can only vote once, however people are free to change their vote. Map authors may not vote for their own maps. 3: Voting is now different from comments. Voting is done on the same page as maps, whereas if you add a comment it won't change any voting and such. You are of course free to make multiple comments. 4: Voting is based on the following system: You can give a map 1-5, where 1 is the lowest and 5 is the highest score. Each map starts with a percentage of 50%. Everytime someone votes, this value goes up or down: vote 5 - multiplies vote value by 1.3 vote 4 - multiplies vote value by 1.2 vote 3 - multiplies vote value by 1.1 vote 2 - mutliplies vote value by 0.9 vote 1 - multiplies vote value by 0.85 So if someone voted 5, it'd go up to 65%. If someone then voted 2, it'd result in 58.5%, or 59%. If someone after that voted 3, it'd go up to 64.35% or 65%. If everyone voted five, it'd just go up to 100% (can't go higher than 100 nor lower than 0). 5: Each profile is easily accessible and you can see what maps the user has made, their status, their favorite maps, their latest comment(s), and other random information.
This is quite alot of work, and I'd understand if you didn't feel like adding this to your site. Also, I'm not too sure about my vote system. If anyone can think of anything better, that'd be great. Anyway, just thought I'd write this down.
I don't find this community to be abusive or otherwise offensive, personally.
Though Jez could of worded his post a little better. He sounded more than a bit pushy. But that's really beside the point.
On-Topic, I'd be happy to moderate and/or write reviews on NS World, Chrome.
Unfortuanetly as mentioned earlier, I use FireFox and NS World doesn't appear to like it very much. Still, the offer is on the table. I have abundant free time, at least for now, so hit me up on AIM, XFire or Email.
Try and stay on the positive side folks. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>EDIT: Looks like Bob cleaned house on my avatar and sig... ouch.</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Feb 14 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Feb 14 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unfortuanetly as mentioned earlier, I use FireFox and NS World doesn't appear to like it very much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What version are you using? As my Firefox 1.0 Preview Release works perfectly with NSWorld.
Appologies to you all, I got out of bed the wrong side that day and Jez's posts just made me so mad <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (gave me a migraine all day, my blood pressure was that high). Sorry, I kind of lost my temper there.
Anyway, it got me thinking about the NS World systems.
Crispy, sorry but I never recieved you email, that's why there was no responce.
For those of you who aren't familar with the NS World voting system, the system records the voter's IP address as well as as the email they gave, only the last vote from each address for each map counts toward their rating. I have been considering a system that uses the % of the total votes in the system as the map's rating, this might give a more truely representative rating.
Brute force, nice try with the rating system, but that can easily lead to scores over 100% and of course later votes have a heavier influence than earlier ones.
Moderators never seem to resign when they don't have the time anymore, so I'm thinking "hey yeah i've got a couple of guys on the case already" when they haven't actaully looked at the site in months (I don't know if this is the actual case, so sorry to DB and Joe if I've misrepresented you).
And reviewers pfft... never seem to get beyond the 1'st review.
Thanks to the volunteers, i'll get back to you once i've got some solid plans.
<!--QuoteBegin-ChromeAngel+Feb 14 2005, 09:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChromeAngel @ Feb 14 2005, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Brute force, nice try with the rating system, but that can easily lead to scores over 100% and of course later votes have a heavier influence than earlier ones. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, I know, I realized this afterwards. Oh well, I'm sure someone can think of something?
<!--QuoteBegin-ChromeAngel+Feb 14 2005, 03:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChromeAngel @ Feb 14 2005, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Appologies to you all, I got out of bed the wrong side that day and Jez's posts just made me so mad <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (gave me a migraine all day, my blood pressure was that high). Sorry, I kind of lost my temper there.
Anyway, it got me thinking about the NS World systems.
Crispy, sorry but I never recieved you email, that's why there was no responce.
For those of you who aren't familar with the NS World voting system, the system records the voter's IP address as well as as the email they gave, only the last vote from each address for each map counts toward their rating. I have been considering a system that uses the % of the total votes in the system as the map's rating, this might give a more truely representative rating.
Brute force, nice try with the rating system, but that can easily lead to scores over 100% and of course later votes have a heavier influence than earlier ones.
Moderators never seem to resign when they don't have the time anymore, so I'm thinking "hey yeah i've got a couple of guys on the case already" when they haven't actaully looked at the site in months (I don't know if this is the actual case, so sorry to DB and Joe if I've misrepresented you).
And reviewers pfft... never seem to get beyond the 1'st review.
Thanks to the volunteers, i'll get back to you once i've got some solid plans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I look forward to hearing from you. I like custom maps, so reviewing would be both an honor and a privilege for me. Moderating is less fun ( <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) but I'd be happy to help you out in that regard as well.
It occurs to me that keeping moderators could be related to the relatively low frequency of updates to the content. I might have to look into automaticly emailing the moderators when an update it made. A daily email might be prefereable, but automatically triggering it would be a pain.
Sorry about the reviewer block <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lost my internet but i think i send you 1 last email saying i was unable to do it anymore..
But now im back online so if you have anything you want me to review, please.. do send me a line and a dl link and ill get to work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im trying to upload my map to nsworld but doenst working propely, every tiem i try upload a file they dont work i informe file name size and doesnt matter keep giving this error, and i wiat more than week and doesnt work.
Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, max@gemini.lunarpages.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
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the only thing I dont like about ns world is the weird naming system of the maps. some have co or ns prefix, some dont. the admin should correct it. and some of the maps are pretty old and not playable under 3.0
Actually you'd have to change it so that only 1 vote per map per user was allowed, at the moment absolutely anyone can vote, even the map author!?<span style='color:orange'>*</span>
I personally would like to see NSWorld revamped and revived to keep NS going once it reaches final release.
<span style='color:orange'>*</span> Yes this has happened, a few months back <s>Nexus</s> one mapper tried to boost his score by using an unmistakabl<s>y</s>e <s>Nexus-style</s> email address and raved on -in very bad English- about how good the map was.
Actually you'd have to change it so that only 1 vote per map per user was allowed, at the moment absolutely anyone can vote, even the map author!?<span style='color:orange'>*</span>
I personally would like to see NSWorld revamped and revived to keep NS going once it reaches final release.
<span style='color:orange'>*</span> Yes this has happened, a few months back <s>exus</s> one mapper tried to boost his score by using an unmistakabl<s>y</s>e <s>exus-style</s> email address and raved on -in very bad English- about how good the map was. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remove the 'N' (as I have in your quote) and no one can rave about you using the N word <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Although yesh, NS World needs to change its voting system. Maybe it could become more similar to The Snarkpit system?
And also, it doesn't really work that well with FireFox. I can't seem to be able to register a new account or log in on my old one. You can't comment as well. It really needs to be a little FireFox friendly.
Moderation would be nice. Very nice, actually. Right now, it's full of siege maps, box maps, fun_box_siege_author_beta5_rc2 maps. It really wants to make you cry. Most of them are even worse by lack of grammar and lack of screenshots. And if there are screenshots, they're dead. Authors shouldn't be able to vote for their own maps too. It's cheating.
PM or Email is the prefered contact method for reporting bugs, suggesting new or changed features, volunteering as a moderator or reviewer (of which I have had none for over a year).
Sign up and login work fine in Firefox (i'm using it right now). I acknowledge the vote doesn't work in Firefox and now it's pointed out I could fix it (but I might just leave it in to **** off Jezpuh).
I still have no better suggestions for the vote system, except an overly elaborate one invoving registation and confimration emails which I feel is OTT for casual gamers.
It's uneducated **** threads like this that remind me why I left this abusive community to rot in it's own fetid juices.
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> Jezpuh
Gah*night
-BADE
However NSWorld does need more work done to it.
With comments like that, it's no wonder your account suspended recently, learn from others mistakes (such as mine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
CA acknowledges he needs to re-work it, and if I could help out in any way I would. I'm not that hot at art or anything, but maybe we should start a project within this thread with concept ideas on a new NS World site to help CA out a bit? Site concepts on paper or graphical images could be posted in thread and commented on? Ideas for new systems aswell? It will also stop CA's inbox from being flooded <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So you can understand completely where this thread came from. You put in an appearance, so we know you're around to see this thread, and we tell it to you straight. Now please don't take this criticism as if I don't appreciate NS World, if I didn't then I wouldn't care about whether it was made better or not. Here's what I have to say:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->PM or Email is the prefered contact method for reporting bugs, suggesting new or changed features, volunteering as a moderator or reviewer (of which I have had none for over a year).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nobody's gonna apply as a reviewer for a site whose only updates are solely user-based. The administration needs to make an appearance every now and again. Another reason you won't get anyone applying is because you still link to <i>natural-selection.org</i>, nobody wants to join a team who doesn't look after their own site.
I once did email to suggest an addition to the list of NS Mapping inspiration. I never got a reply, not even "We'll consider it" or "I'm not sure how much that would add to the NS Universe" - nothing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I still have no better suggestions for the vote system, except an overly elaborate one invoving registation and confimration emails which I feel is OTT for casual gamers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->One problem with the vote system is that people come along and vote a WIP map down simply because it's WIP and it doesn't look perfect. This either puts a lot of mappers off adding their map(s) or means that a good map will have a lower score simply because someone voted it badly in the WIP stage, which brings me to my next point.
The other problem with the voting system is that you cannot edit a previous vote. If you make a mistake (just count the number of comments that totally praise the map yet give 2thumbsdown, or the number of people who voted ?). When a map seriously improves because a mapper has listened to constructive criticism and worked on his creation, I'd like to up my vote to reflect this. At the moment you really have to make one entry for WIP (if you can face the harsh comments), another for Beta and a third for the final release. This means everyone has to revote and it all becomes rather tiresome.
I'd suggest a drop-down menu in the entry editing options for the different stages of the map (Planning>WIP>Beta Testing>Final Release). When a mapper decided that his map had moved to the next stage he could change this menu to Beta Testing -for example- and the votes that he received for the WIP would be null.
An (better) alternative would be to disallow voting for the first two stages (Planning and WIP), but allow comments to be made in the spirit of encouraging the mapper to keep at it.
I hope that my opinions weren't too uneducated for you.
This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _
This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn right.
This community is noway that bad CA, just jezpuh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> _ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Damn right. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Must be cause his squirrel is shaking to much <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/style_images/TSA_Skin-975/icon6.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I'd like to see a system that filters maps by the version they were built for, so no more 1.04 maps that don't work in 3.0b6.
Also, fixing the voting system to work with non IE browsers would be nice too.
I'd like to see a system that filters maps by the version they were built for, so no more 1.04 maps that don't work in 3.0b6.
Also, fixing the voting system to work with non IE browsers would be nice too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fixing the site so that it works with IE is prolly faster then waiting for an update for IE <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've never seen this problem since I use the allmighty and firedup internet fox ^^
The voting system works for both my Firefox & IE.
1: The whole site is based upon users. Registration should be fast and simple to make it easy.
2: Guests can still comment and vote on maps, however their votes are cast into the "Guest votes", whereas if they register their vote will be added under "User votes". Each account/ip can only vote once, however people are free to change their vote. Map authors may not vote for their own maps.
3: Voting is now different from comments. Voting is done on the same page as maps, whereas if you add a comment it won't change any voting and such. You are of course free to make multiple comments.
4: Voting is based on the following system:
You can give a map 1-5, where 1 is the lowest and 5 is the highest score. Each map starts with a percentage of 50%. Everytime someone votes, this value goes up or down:
vote 5 - multiplies vote value by 1.3
vote 4 - multiplies vote value by 1.2
vote 3 - multiplies vote value by 1.1
vote 2 - mutliplies vote value by 0.9
vote 1 - multiplies vote value by 0.85
So if someone voted 5, it'd go up to 65%. If someone then voted 2, it'd result in 58.5%, or 59%. If someone after that voted 3, it'd go up to 64.35% or 65%. If everyone voted five, it'd just go up to 100% (can't go higher than 100 nor lower than 0).
5: Each profile is easily accessible and you can see what maps the user has made, their status, their favorite maps, their latest comment(s), and other random information.
This is quite alot of work, and I'd understand if you didn't feel like adding this to your site. Also, I'm not too sure about my vote system. If anyone can think of anything better, that'd be great.
Anyway, just thought I'd write this down.
Though Jez could of worded his post a little better. He sounded more than a bit pushy. But that's really beside the point.
On-Topic, I'd be happy to moderate and/or write reviews on NS World, Chrome.
Unfortuanetly as mentioned earlier, I use FireFox and NS World doesn't appear to like it very much. Still, the offer is on the table. I have abundant free time, at least for now, so hit me up on AIM, XFire or Email.
AIM: Vintage Revolver
XFire: disciplenow
E-Mail: cody@howtodoameriplan.com (Temporary e-mail, uber long. Har Har)
Try and stay on the positive side folks. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>EDIT: Looks like Bob cleaned house on my avatar and sig... ouch.</b>
~ DarkATi
What version are you using? As my Firefox 1.0 Preview Release works perfectly with NSWorld.
Anyway, it got me thinking about the NS World systems.
Crispy, sorry but I never recieved you email, that's why there was no responce.
For those of you who aren't familar with the NS World voting system, the system records the voter's IP address as well as as the email they gave, only the last vote from each address for each map counts toward their rating. I have been considering a system that uses the % of the total votes in the system as the map's rating, this might give a more truely representative rating.
Brute force, nice try with the rating system, but that can easily lead to scores over 100% and of course later votes have a heavier influence than earlier ones.
Moderators never seem to resign when they don't have the time anymore, so I'm thinking "hey yeah i've got a couple of guys on the case already" when they haven't actaully looked at the site in months (I don't know if this is the actual case, so sorry to DB and Joe if I've misrepresented you).
And reviewers pfft... never seem to get beyond the 1'st review.
Thanks to the volunteers, i'll get back to you once i've got some solid plans.
Yeah, I know, I realized this afterwards. Oh well, I'm sure someone can think of something?
Anyway, it got me thinking about the NS World systems.
Crispy, sorry but I never recieved you email, that's why there was no responce.
For those of you who aren't familar with the NS World voting system, the system records the voter's IP address as well as as the email they gave, only the last vote from each address for each map counts toward their rating. I have been considering a system that uses the % of the total votes in the system as the map's rating, this might give a more truely representative rating.
Brute force, nice try with the rating system, but that can easily lead to scores over 100% and of course later votes have a heavier influence than earlier ones.
Moderators never seem to resign when they don't have the time anymore, so I'm thinking "hey yeah i've got a couple of guys on the case already" when they haven't actaully looked at the site in months (I don't know if this is the actual case, so sorry to DB and Joe if I've misrepresented you).
And reviewers pfft... never seem to get beyond the 1'st review.
Thanks to the volunteers, i'll get back to you once i've got some solid plans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I look forward to hearing from you. I like custom maps, so reviewing would be both an honor and a privilege for me. Moderating is less fun ( <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) but I'd be happy to help you out in that regard as well.
~ DarkATi
Lost my internet but i think i send you 1 last email saying i was unable to do it anymore..
But now im back online so if you have anything you want me to review, please.. do send me a line and a dl link and ill get to work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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