How About This? I Call This "unchainupgrade"

superelfsuperelf Join Date: 2003-05-05 Member: 16077Members
edited February 2005 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">it can break D-M-S build</div> Sorry. I'm korean. I can't spreak English well.

I made 2 amx plugin. I call that "unchain Upgrade" and "gorge free"

It has next effect.

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Unchain Upgrade ( It's not 'unchain chamber')

- Kharra can build all Chamber (not allow hive number)
- and can "ALL UPGRADE - CAN HAS 9th UPGRADE"
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Gorge Free
gorge and skulk cost set zero. User Don't need pay resource.
but kharra start resource set 15
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NsKorea running this plugin . If u doesn't understand my plugin,
plz visit and join kharra team.

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I shoud not hope plugin request or report at here
I enough plugin's bug report and balance report at Korean community.
but I hope that my plugin idea and test result send NS developer
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  • superelfsuperelf Join Date: 2003-05-05 Member: 16077Members
    My plugin has several upgrade cost list.

    it check only that how many user has upgrade

    This is skulk's upgrade cost list
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    Upgrade 1  = 1
    Upgrade 2 = 2
    Upgrade 3 = 4
    Upgrade 4 = 6
    Upgrade 5 = 8
    Upgrade 6 = 10
    Upgrade 7 = 12
    Upgrade 8 = 14
    Upgrade 9 = 16
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    If skulk hasn't any upgrade then he can pay 1 resource for first upgrade
    but skulk has 8 upgrade then he does pay 16 resource for upgrade.

    High lifefrom unit pay more resouce than lower lifeform

    it is fade's upgrade cost list

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    Upgrade 1  = 2
    Upgrade 2 = 20
    Upgrade 3 = 30
    Upgrade 4 = 40
    Upgrade 5 = 60
    Upgrade 6 = 70
    Upgrade 7 = 80
    Upgrade 8 = 90
    Upgrade 9 = 100
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    1 st upgrade same default, but next and after upgrade very expensive


    and If user change lifefom then all upgrade set zero.
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  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    I haven't tried your system yet, but it seems pretty revolutionary, I've never read/heard anything like this... so thats cool... I'll give it a test

    you koreans are allways leading the way in FPS gaming goodness, its awesome
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  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    Very interesting, although I believe that this would still overpower aliens just due to the fact Fades/Onos can get all the DEF upgrades and then never die.
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    it is truly overpowered.
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  • superelfsuperelf Join Date: 2003-05-05 Member: 16077Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Schimmel+Feb 6 2005, 12:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Schimmel @ Feb 6 2005, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it is truly overpowered. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    plz visit and play game.
    next talk about overpower plz.

    I testing this plugin since two month.
    It's Not unbalanace
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  • AjurianAjurian Join Date: 2003-10-18 Member: 21753Members
    Interesting plugin.

    What happens if someone has upgrades as a skulk and then evolves to a higher lifeform (for example, fade)? Is there an extra cost? are the upgrades lost? or do they remain?

    I ask this because I can see it as an easy way to get many upgrades cheaply ie. You could get 7 upgrades as skulk and then evolve to fade. Cost of 93 res (43 for upgrades + 50 for fade)
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  • superelfsuperelf Join Date: 2003-05-05 Member: 16077Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ajurian+Feb 7 2005, 04:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ajurian @ Feb 7 2005, 04:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting plugin.

    What happens if someone has upgrades as a skulk and then evolves to a higher lifeform (for example, fade)? Is there an extra cost? are the upgrades lost? or do they remain?

    I ask this because I can see it as an easy way to get many upgrades cheaply ie. You could get 7 upgrades as skulk and then evolve to fade. Cost of 93 res (43 for upgrades + 50 for fade) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If user change lifeform then lose all upgrade.
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  • d0omied0omie Join Date: 2003-02-23 Member: 13877Members
    It seems to be somewhat balanced, aliens can make RTs for only 15 res like marines, but start with 15 so Fading/Hiving takes longer.

    Also getting all upgrades can be done at any number of hives, but has a serious res cost with it. Getting 9 upgrades as a fade costs a horrendous ammount that would never happen! Even the second upgrade costs 20 res, seriously limiting your ability to re-fade if you take it.

    It sounds like it reduces the dependance on hives a bit (although META still = win) which is a good thing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Also means aliens always need more res, but can set RTs for the same price as marines.

    I will try to find your server <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • todd1Oktodd1Ok Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28018Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    dms has been broken in b6. free alien upgrades imrpove the skulks ability to fight, thus improving the alliens effectiveness all round. fades no longer do all the heavy fighting. 2 focus skulks can take down a heavy pretty quick if they play it right.
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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    The only thing I see massivly unbalancing this would be the fact that the aliens can drop all three chambers right off the bat. The incremental res cost of the upgrades should keep the alien rate of progress averaged until the extreamly late game, and if it came to the point where fades/onos had all upgrades, I really don't see how the marines could survive...

    On hyperlarge/slow moving maps such as seige where both sides generally tend to reach thier full potential fairly fast, and epic long lasting games are fairly common, the game would quicly unbalance however.

    To counter the disadvantage of both counts, I think a counter plugin should be made that allows the marines to upgrade more of thier structures (armory and observatory emidiately come to mind) as a counter for the more powerful earlygame WOLs and potentially deadly early superskulks, and also extra upgrades, perhaps to level ten, should be added at an astronomical cost for the hyper high end level upgrades.
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