<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Jan 25 2005, 06:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Jan 25 2005, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I recommend you stay away from servers with that plugin until/if they haven't fixed it.
Through an easy procedure that is quite simple to discover by accident, you can get many levels for each upgrade point, with totally botches the game, because even in a 10 vs 10 or something a fade with level 50 hunger is a game ender.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Another bad example. If there's a fade with level 50 hunger then there's a HA on the marine's side with enough reinforced armor, nano-weld, and level5 static field that would squash this fade like a bug.
Point is, if this plugin is exploitable, it's as equally exploitable for one team as it is the other.
The modNS.org community thanks you for publicizing this bug, therefore increasing awareness of this plugin, one of the most popular ones we have available. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Woodstock the Lerk+Jan 24 2005, 09:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Woodstock the Lerk @ Jan 24 2005, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just got banned from <span style='color:red'>****</span> for "speed". Apparently someone doesn't know what 5 levels of cybernetics looks like.
I don't really care, but figured some would appreciate the irony of banning people for using your own server mods. GG combat.
<span style='color:red'>This is not the place to air your dirty laundry about a given server. Take it up with the server ops if you feel that strongly about it. -Talesin</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds like the admin didn't even know this plugin was installed.
Of all the upgrades available from this plugin I despise Cybernetics ths most. I therefore increased it's cost on my server to 2 points. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, anything able to hit a level 50 cybernetics?
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Jan 27 2005, 04:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Jan 27 2005, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So thats why that marine knifed me as lerk flying all the way back to hive... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have had that happen, as I love to lerk - ima sayin WTH ?!?!?!? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Jan 27 2005, 03:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Jan 27 2005, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, anything able to hit a level 50 cybernetics?
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jan 27 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jan 27 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Jan 27 2005, 03:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Jan 27 2005, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Jan 27 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, anything able to hit a level 50 cybernetics?
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Blink wouldn't hold a candle to level 50 cybernetics. I would guess that any level above 15 or 20 would become meaningless as you'de be moving so fast you couldn't shoot and hit anything anyway.
The problem when the cost of these upgrades is increased to 2 points is that the menu where you buy them still says 1 point. This is very confusing for people playing with the upgrades for the first time.
Also, I imagine level 50 cybernetics would cause you to die when you ran into the wall. Perhaps +duck, +walk, and +use all at the same time would save you. Maybe not.
<!--QuoteBegin-kwikloader+Jan 27 2005, 12:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kwikloader @ Jan 27 2005, 12:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Jan 27 2005, 12:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Jan 27 2005, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I recommend you stay away from servers with that plugin <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>until/if they haven't fixed it.</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No need to run this into the ground, I already ate crow and apologized. *rollseyes*
But an amx version was also released that makes this plugin non-exploitable (at least for the previously mentioned bug).
As with <b>ANY</b> plugin, mod, or game, it is the server op's responsibility to ensure the latest version/s are installed on their server. Notice I said <b>ANY</b> and not just this plugin.
Even if a particular server did not have the latest version of extralevels2 installed, I wouldn't recommend a player "stay away from servers with that plugin until/if they haven't fixed it" ... just report it to an admin or whoever is listed as the sv_contact and I'm sure it will be fixed asap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh, sorry. I read your first reply to me after my last post and assumed that you probably hadn't adressed me again. I didn't intend to be rude.
I allways think it's usefull for people to know about the existance of exploits so they can at least decide for themselves how they should deal with the problem. Even if I knew this exploit was fixed when I made that recommendation, I would have still made a remark to the effect of 'some servers may not have updated the plugin in question and it is a game breaking exploit, so if the server hasn't updated alert the admin and stay away from that particular server until it has'. Fair enough?
Exploits are so much more pallatable to most people than an aimbot or ESP, this makes game breaking exploits so much more of a pain than real cheats; a lot of people that wouldn't touch cheats WILL abuse bugs. As evidence I present the stopcommandermode bug back in 1.03 when it was practically impossible to get a sensible game of NS because even on well admined servers you would see random annoying people join and rather quickly get booted for using stopcommandermode several times every single round. At first I thought, 'oh well, the fun will wear of soon enough and they'll stop being annoying twats', boy was I wrong. Did I recommend people to stay away from NS until a patch/plugin fixed this issue?Yup. Hey, at least I'm consistent.
Also I point out that you could reload the grenade launcher directly from the armory by just filling up on ammo when you have max carriable but an empty GL; a single person could lay down allmost continuos fire. Most people abused this bug and where often smug about it, as if it was some kind of skill. In the rare case they didn't know of it a teammate would often call them a newbie or any of it's more demeaning derivatives and instruct them how to abuse the bug. So I think it's pretty safe to say that most people who noticed the bug in extralevels have either waited for the issue to be resolved or simply abused the bug.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Point is, if this plugin is exploitable, it's as equally exploitable for one team as it is the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only to the people who know about the bug. And it's not like it's remotely playable as intended if everyone exploits the bug to 'balance it out'.
<!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Jan 28 2005, 07:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Jan 28 2005, 07:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Does the HL engine register damage when flying into a wall fast enough? Never happened to me anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The HL engine doesn't, AFAIK, have any thing to do with it. Only fall damage is implemented in the HLDM source, which is what most, if not all, MODs use as a code base.
It's not terribly difficult to remove/alter fall damage or implement collision damage as a function of how fast you hit something(anything), or even implement angle dependence(e.g. hitting your head in the ceiling hurts more or spins your view angle around like TFCs conc grenade).
Contrary to popular belief the physics of HL is accessible; it takes no 'leet hacking skillzors' to implement wall climbing, jet packs or lerk flight. It's not very easy, it's certainly time consuming, but it requires 'nothing more' than some simple vector math, figuring out the usage of the built in function for tracing collisions along lines in the collision hull of the player, descent C/C++ knowledge(the physics code happens to be implemented in C, so you have to take some care with the declarations when communicating with other functions which are in C++ files, you have to change a whole bunch of declarations if you want to convert pm_shared.c to pm_shared.cpp) and endless hours of playing around with it until it finally works right and plenty of head scratching to avoid unnesscessary checks and simular to keep CPU usage nice and managable. The jetpack(though I didn't bother to change the player animation or fix up the looping of the sound and similar little pains that consume alot of time), a weird directional jump pack(kinda like leap), making snarks follow laser dots from RPGs as well as not attack their owner, leap twice as fast and come in packs of 20, and removing bunnyhopping/wall strafing/gliding without any ill effects I have implemented myself when playing around with the HLDM base, and all it took was alot of time to waste.
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Jan 28 2005, 02:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Jan 28 2005, 02:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem when the cost of these upgrades is increased to 2 points is that the menu where you buy them still says 1 point. This is very confusing for people playing with the upgrades for the first time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds like the server you play on has an updated version od the poinst cost would be correct. Didn't Soylent green warn you about this? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Blink wouldn't hold a candle to level 50 cybernetics. I would guess that any level above 15 or 20 would become meaningless as you'de be moving so fast you couldn't shoot and hit anything anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So, like, speedhacker speeds? Obviously some people have found ways to control it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes sky like speedhacker speeds. I'm just saying I have mine capped at 5 because that's damn sure fast nuff. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just saying, people speedhack, so obviously it's possible to control yourself at those speeds.
Of course, I'm just assuming that speedhacking is as simple as moving in the direction you want to go, and you just run really quickly. If there's another way to control it, then nvm. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jan 30 2005, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jan 30 2005, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm just saying, people speedhack, so obviously it's possible to control yourself at those speeds.
Of course, I'm just assuming that speedhacking is as simple as moving in the direction you want to go, and you just run really quickly. If there's another way to control it, then nvm. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't mean you couldn't control movement - it would be extremely difficult to move that fast and still control WEAPON action.
<!--QuoteBegin-Abu Dhabi+Jan 31 2005, 01:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Abu Dhabi @ Jan 31 2005, 01:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For the record - at level 16 cybernetics you can outrun a celerity, charging onos - while you're webbed o_O <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay, I dont want even imagine playing like that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Abu Dhabi+Jan 31 2005, 02:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Abu Dhabi @ Jan 31 2005, 02:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For the record - at level 16 cybernetics you can outrun a celerity, charging onos - while you're webbed o_O <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Which is why there are cvars for capping each upgrade. To each his own but I have Cybernetics capped at 5 levels.
I was just watching my roommate play with an hmg, resupply, and level 10 cybernetics. When you are chasing down blinking fades after they go around the corner, there's a problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-im lost+Jan 31 2005, 11:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (im lost @ Jan 31 2005, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was just watching my roommate play with an hmg, resupply, and level 10 cybernetics. When you are chasing down blinking fades after they go around the corner, there's a problem. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Another good reason to cap cybernetics. What type of problem though?
<!--QuoteBegin-Abu Dhabi+Jan 31 2005, 01:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Abu Dhabi @ Jan 31 2005, 01:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For the record - at level 16 cybernetics you can outrun a celerity, charging onos - while you're webbed o_O <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hahaha... that might just be the funniest thing I've heard all day
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Through an easy procedure that is quite simple to discover by accident, you can get many levels for each upgrade point, with totally botches the game, because even in a 10 vs 10 or something a fade with level 50 hunger is a game ender.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Another bad example. If there's a fade with level 50 hunger then there's a HA on the marine's side with enough reinforced armor, nano-weld, and level5 static field that would squash this fade like a bug.
Point is, if this plugin is exploitable, it's as equally exploitable for one team as it is the other.
The modNS.org community thanks you for publicizing this bug, therefore increasing awareness of this plugin, one of the most popular ones we have available. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I don't really care, but figured some would appreciate the irony of banning people for using your own server mods. GG combat.
<span style='color:red'>This is not the place to air your dirty laundry about a given server. Take it up with the server ops if you feel that strongly about it. -Talesin</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like the admin didn't even know this plugin was installed.
Of all the upgrades available from this plugin I despise Cybernetics ths most. I therefore increased it's cost on my server to 2 points. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will)
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have had that happen, as I love to lerk - ima sayin WTH ?!?!?!? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys.
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blink wouldn't hold a candle to level 50 cybernetics. I would guess that any level above 15 or 20 would become meaningless as you'de be moving so fast you couldn't shoot and hit anything anyway.
Also, I imagine level 50 cybernetics would cause you to die when you ran into the wall. Perhaps +duck, +walk, and +use all at the same time would save you. Maybe not.
No need to run this into the ground, I already ate crow and apologized. *rollseyes*
But an amx version was also released that makes this plugin non-exploitable (at least for the previously mentioned bug).
As with <b>ANY</b> plugin, mod, or game, it is the server op's responsibility to ensure the latest version/s are installed on their server. Notice I said <b>ANY</b> and not just this plugin.
Even if a particular server did not have the latest version of extralevels2 installed, I wouldn't recommend a player "stay away from servers with that plugin until/if they haven't fixed it" ... just report it to an admin or whoever is listed as the sv_contact and I'm sure it will be fixed asap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, sorry. I read your first reply to me after my last post and assumed that you probably hadn't adressed me again. I didn't intend to be rude.
I allways think it's usefull for people to know about the existance of exploits so they can at least decide for themselves how they should deal with the problem. Even if I knew this exploit was fixed when I made that recommendation, I would have still made a remark to the effect of 'some servers may not have updated the plugin in question and it is a game breaking exploit, so if the server hasn't updated alert the admin and stay away from that particular server until it has'. Fair enough?
Exploits are so much more pallatable to most people than an aimbot or ESP, this makes game breaking exploits so much more of a pain than real cheats; a lot of people that wouldn't touch cheats WILL abuse bugs. As evidence I present the stopcommandermode bug back in 1.03 when it was practically impossible to get a sensible game of NS because even on well admined servers you would see random annoying people join and rather quickly get booted for using stopcommandermode several times every single round. At first I thought, 'oh well, the fun will wear of soon enough and they'll stop being annoying twats', boy was I wrong. Did I recommend people to stay away from NS until a patch/plugin fixed this issue?Yup. Hey, at least I'm consistent.
Also I point out that you could reload the grenade launcher directly from the armory by just filling up on ammo when you have max carriable but an empty GL; a single person could lay down allmost continuos fire. Most people abused this bug and where often smug about it, as if it was some kind of skill. In the rare case they didn't know of it a teammate would often call them a newbie or any of it's more demeaning derivatives and instruct them how to abuse the bug. So I think it's pretty safe to say that most people who noticed the bug in extralevels have either waited for the issue to be resolved or simply abused the bug.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Point is, if this plugin is exploitable, it's as equally exploitable for one team as it is the other.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only to the people who know about the bug. And it's not like it's remotely playable as intended if everyone exploits the bug to 'balance it out'.
The HL engine doesn't, AFAIK, have any thing to do with it. Only fall damage is implemented in the HLDM source, which is what most, if not all, MODs use as a code base.
It's not terribly difficult to remove/alter fall damage or implement collision damage as a function of how fast you hit something(anything), or even implement angle dependence(e.g. hitting your head in the ceiling hurts more or spins your view angle around like TFCs conc grenade).
Contrary to popular belief the physics of HL is accessible; it takes no 'leet hacking skillzors' to implement wall climbing, jet packs or lerk flight. It's not very easy, it's certainly time consuming, but it requires 'nothing more' than some simple vector math, figuring out the usage of the built in function for tracing collisions along lines in the collision hull of the player, descent C/C++ knowledge(the physics code happens to be implemented in C, so you have to take some care with the declarations when communicating with other functions which are in C++ files, you have to change a whole bunch of declarations if you want to convert pm_shared.c to pm_shared.cpp) and endless hours of playing around with it until it finally works right and plenty of head scratching to avoid unnesscessary checks and simular to keep CPU usage nice and managable. The jetpack(though I didn't bother to change the player animation or fix up the looping of the sound and similar little pains that consume alot of time), a weird directional jump pack(kinda like leap), making snarks follow laser dots from RPGs as well as not attack their owner, leap twice as fast and come in packs of 20, and removing bunnyhopping/wall strafing/gliding without any ill effects I have implemented myself when playing around with the HLDM base, and all it took was alot of time to waste.
Sounds like the server you play on has an updated version od the poinst cost would be correct.
Didn't Soylent green warn you about this? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm just asking, never touched this plugin (and I hope I never will) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not going to say no, but let's say it's highly unlikely.
If a player <b>WAS</b> able to upgrade to level 50 cybernetics there is no way he could control it. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i would imagine this would simply give the player blink using the movement keys. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Blink wouldn't hold a candle to level 50 cybernetics. I would guess that any level above 15 or 20 would become meaningless as you'de be moving so fast you couldn't shoot and hit anything anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, like, speedhacker speeds? Obviously some people have found ways to control it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Of course, I'm just assuming that speedhacking is as simple as moving in the direction you want to go, and you just run really quickly. If there's another way to control it, then nvm. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Of course, I'm just assuming that speedhacking is as simple as moving in the direction you want to go, and you just run really quickly. If there's another way to control it, then nvm. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't mean you couldn't control movement - it would be extremely difficult to move that fast and still control WEAPON action.
Okay, I dont want even imagine playing like that.
Which is why there are cvars for capping each upgrade. To each his own but I have Cybernetics capped at 5 levels.
Some plugin or so?
Some plugin or so? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, AMX plugin extralevels2.
Another good reason to cap cybernetics. What type of problem though?
hahaha... that might just be the funniest thing I've heard all day