Combat Spoiled The Ns Player

OnESabreWulfOnESabreWulf Join Date: 2003-11-24 Member: 23506Members
edited January 2005 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Combat Destroyed NS</div> For you diehard NS gamers out there I don’t if you noticed but NS combat has exploded into a n00b CS playing filed.

For the past 3 months alone NS Combat has taken a life of its own. With new AMX plug-ings that raises the bar on level up experience and other useful add-ons.
It’s nice to see that CO has made it this far. And it’s an alterative to NS.
But Natural Selection is FPS/RTS and that’s what turn me on to NS more than three and a half years ago, back in 1.3.
I played RTS games and FPS and I was just waiting for someone to even combine the 2 together.
And the NS developers have accomplish this task successfully.

Yes I know Combat is made to get CS players to give the time and day to combat.
But I have say this but I know it’s true. CS players are a bit immature and way to ego minded in their game play. And a bit rude with flaming and at times spoil the game for the rest of us playing in a game servers.
Then again this might go for every online game that’s out there.
Back in the veteran program days my clan/community had the opportunity to just beta test NS and CO NS-V30A. it was fantastic.
The combat concept game was new and the level up system was good.
But the players are what I liked the most. No jerks no self absorbing ego CS players.
Just a bunch of gamers testing out a new beta game and having a good time.

Now by the end of last year of 04 all I see is a bunch of combat hungry <span style='color:red'>*thank you for NOT evading the swear filter again.*</span> that even in co have no idea to play as a team. They all Rambo most of the time and feed the enemy team experience.
And when they even go to a NS game server they have no idea what to do nor <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> share there resources with the alien team. They waste in on this <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And don’t even listen to a good commander and follow way points. They vote him out and we have no commander let alone that is a good commander.
NS was always tricky to play but when it was still NS and not CO at lest in NS even a n00b player will learn and listen on how to play this game.


<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> Combat spoiled the NS player and it’s hard to find good players in NS today.

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  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    On the other hand it brings a play style that many people absolutly love and enjoy. There are tons of players who come play NS and go specifically for combat ignoring NS maps. Some of them may never change, but many eventually want to try the other type of game style, it may take days for this to happen, weeks, or months.

    Regardless, CO has brought a large playerbase to Natural-Selection. If you don't want to play with the CS noobs, there are a fair few servers that don't tolerate that kind of behaivour, and many that focus on NS rather than CO. But this is all common knowledge of course.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Nah. If you don't like combat don't play it, and find a nice server where people who know how to play play.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    In australia, at least ... combat servers are always full while ns ones are empty.

    Not cool.
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    Hey, seriously, even if there're no combat servers, I don't think there will suddenly be NS servers popping up in their places.

    Beside, v.1.2 forever.
  • WhiteZeroWhiteZero That Guy Join Date: 2004-06-24 Member: 29511Members, Constellation
    Combat was made to get other FPS players in general into the game, not just CS players...

    But yes, far too many people play CO only and never NS.
  • OnESabreWulfOnESabreWulf Join Date: 2003-11-24 Member: 23506Members
    Thats a good point FreakEightyThree. But the reason why I bring this up is because I starting to see combat players picking up in interest in NS type games.
    And thats becoming an issue when they have the combat mentality in a NS game.
    Some co players catch on quick on how to play ns.
    But the rest OMG have no idea and at times dont care.
    Thats what spoiling the game play on NS.
    Then again I do know of just NS players that will cry that CO BLOWS! LOL
    CO and NS managed to co exist when co was release and it was good.
    My gamming community hosted NS/CO servers with no issues.
    But by the end of last year co got a lot of attention.


    Its a toss up on this topic but from what I can see combat has exploded and Combat might go in the way of getting over rated like CS.
  • OnESabreWulfOnESabreWulf Join Date: 2003-11-24 Member: 23506Members
    Combat is ez to play and thats another reason why Co is going well.
    When NS hit the HL community everyone dropped in AWE and got hooked into playing NS.

    That was the idea of NS <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif' /><!--endemo--> RTS/FPS <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> and it has been a match made in heaven. <!--emo&::hive::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/hive5.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='hive5.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    Actually, loathesome human beings spoiled NS. Come to think of it, they've spoiled every online game to date. And they make navigating the internet a depressing affair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    edited January 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, loathesome human beings spoiled NS. Come to think of it, they've spoiled every online game to date. And they make navigating the internet a depressing affair. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG SUYF JOO NOOB !!! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> << DAT IS TEH BATTAL BETWEEEN TEH MARIENS AND ALIANS (KURAA)
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jan 24 2005, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 24 2005, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, loathesome human beings spoiled NS. Come to think of it, they've spoiled every online game to date. And they make navigating the internet a depressing affair. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG SUYF JOO NOOB !!! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> << DAT IS TEH BATTAL BETWEEEN TEH MARIENS AND ALIANS (KURAA) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Open your eyes. Believe. Don't you believe in world peace?
    Human and aliens can coexist. We can compromise. We can share our resource nozzles. Really, there're enough for everyone.

    Now repeat after me, P E A C E. Drop down your weapons, and shut your jaws.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Jan 24 2005, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Jan 24 2005, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jan 24 2005, 10:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 24 2005, 10:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jan 24 2005, 07:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, loathesome human beings spoiled NS. Come to think of it, they've spoiled every online game to date. And they make navigating the internet a depressing affair. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG SUYF JOO NOOB !!! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> << DAT IS TEH BATTAL BETWEEEN TEH MARIENS AND ALIANS (KURAA) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Open your eyes. Believe. Don't you believe in world peace?
    Human and aliens can coexist. We can compromise. We can share our resource nozzles. Really, there're enough for everyone.

    Now repeat after me, P E A C E. Drop down your weapons, and shut your jaws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ill shut my jaws on your face!
  • TepplaTeppla Join Date: 2002-09-29 Member: 1368Banned
    Unfortunately combat is what keeps NS alive you big silly! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't ask me to elaborate because im a girl! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • OnESabreWulfOnESabreWulf Join Date: 2003-11-24 Member: 23506Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Teppla+Jan 24 2005, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teppla @ Jan 24 2005, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Unfortunately combat is what keeps NS alive you big silly! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Don't ask me to elaborate because im a girl! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL before the Combat Fever <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> NS was thriving I dont think combat gave it the push it just gave it the Edge to expose FPS player to play NS.
    I know players that only play FPS games and they never gave NS a shot because of the complicated tactics of NS.
    Now they are just playing CO but even in combat there is a such of a thing as work as a team and team base tactics.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Jan 24 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Jan 24 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, seriously, even if there're no combat servers, I don't think there will suddenly be NS servers popping up in their places.

    Beside, v.1.2 forever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah there would. Now like all the server people have halved them into CO and NS and screwed it up.
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Jan 24 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Jan 24 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, seriously, even if there're no combat servers, I don't think there will suddenly be NS servers popping up in their places.

    Beside, v.1.2 forever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    /stopcommandermode

    1.02 rocked. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I pretty much agree with what you're saying. CO alone isn't too bad, but it's pretty obvious the community degraded a bit after it attracted more casual gamers. Hey, I guess it's good for UWE, though, so I put up with them.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin-DrSuredeath+Jan 24 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DrSuredeath @ Jan 24 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Beside, v.1.2 forever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 F4 F2 -- oh, wait, the aliens have the second and third hives up already? but I'm not done!
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    Basically, NS Combat was supposed to give new players a taste of NS and to gradualy get them to go the distance torwards playing standard NS.

    At least thats what i was always told.

    And new players it did bring indeed.

    However it would seem that the vast majority of these new players never made the transgression. "NS is too hard, Why play normal NS when I can deathmatch in combat just like all the other games Im used too."

    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-OnESabreWulf+Jan 25 2005, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OnESabreWulf @ Jan 25 2005, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For you diehard NS gamers out there I don’t if you noticed but NS combat has exploded into a n00b CS playing filed.

    For the past 3 months alone NS Combat has taken a life of its own. With new AMX plug-ings that raises the bar on level up experience and other useful add-ons.
    It’s nice to see that CO has made it this far. And it’s an alterative to NS.
    But Natural Selection is FPS/RTS and that’s what turn me on to NS more than three and a half years ago, back in 1.3.
    I played RTS games and FPS and I was just waiting for someone to even combine the 2 together.
    And the NS developers have accomplish this task successfully.

    Yes I know Combat is made to get CS players to give the time and day to combat.
    But I have say this but I know it’s true. CS players are a bit immature and way to ego minded in their game play. And a bit rude with flaming and at times spoil the game for the rest of us playing in a game servers.
    Then again this might go for every online game that’s out there.
    Back in the veteran program days my clan/community had the opportunity to just beta test NS and CO NS-V30A. it was fantastic.
    The combat concept game was new and the level up system was good.
    But the players are what I liked the most. No jerks no self absorbing ego CS players.
    Just a bunch of gamers testing out a new beta game and having a good time.

    Now by the end of last year of 04 all I see is a bunch of combat hungry <span style='color:red'>*thank you for NOT evading the swear filter again.*</span> that even in co have no idea to play as a team. They all Rambo most of the time and feed the enemy team experience.
    And when they even go to a NS game server they have no idea what to do nor <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> share there resources with the alien team. They waste in on this <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    And don’t even listen to a good commander and follow way points. They vote him out and we have no commander let alone that is a good commander.
    NS was always tricky to play but when it was still NS and not CO at lest in NS even a n00b player will learn and listen on how to play this game.


    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> Combat spoiled the NS player and it’s hard to find good players in NS today. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Take your whining <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=1' target='_blank'>elsewhere</a>.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Private Coleman+Jan 25 2005, 03:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Private Coleman @ Jan 25 2005, 03:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In australia, at least ... combat servers are always full while ns ones are empty. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Gee, I wonder why?
    And anyone who thinks that so many people are "n00bs" is just being idiotic.

    CO is more fun than classic right now. Deal with it. **** at the devs, if you can get to them, it won't do you any good because they'll be like "WTH shut up do you have any idea how long this took us to make?".
  • DefianceDefiance Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23847Members
    I'm the other way around, if I play on pubs, I play on CO only servers... I can't deal with all the people on NS servers.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    Having too many excellent games in 3.0 beta 6 to care about Combat.
  • Vlad_DraculVlad_Dracul Join Date: 2004-09-21 Member: 31839Members
    edited January 2005
    uhm actually co helps people to get into the game
    learning bhop/leap/shooting/teamplay etc.

    and - unfortunately - cs players are getting into
    several games not only ns tbh :\
  • funbagsfunbags Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17099Members
    I hate combat. I always have, and always will.
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    Let's make a co_ free day, so all servers go ns_ only <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    Combat ruined NS, 1 thing in NS was all the strategy combined and resource limitation and feeling powerful when handling out that HMG.. Now I cant stop playing combat cause NS is boring <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ScribblesScribbles Join Date: 2003-11-05 Member: 22323Members
    Jeah, Combat exposed more players to NS, but it exposed NS to exactly that type of player that should never have been exposed to NS.

    The FPS frag maniac disguised as a teamplayer, AKA, the 13 year old CS kiddies.


    I never quite really understood why NS needed a broader playerbase anyway. AFAIK NS pre-combat allready had a huge database.

    Combat kinda felt like the devs selling out.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    Y'know, in all honesty the devs should be congratulated on making such a popular gametype. If you guys don't like it that's your problem.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    OK chaps & chapettes, aside from the question of why the hell one would post this in O-T, the corpse of this discussion was raised so often by now that they consider implementing electrical stairs. Just let it lie.

    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>
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