Hacks, Bugs, And Nerfs.

GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
What needs to happen.
I like this game and all, but already hacks have been conjured up for those who suck royally. I'm not going to play the game unless there is some anti-cheat stuff involved, because I've seen too many marines with aimbots, too many with builder hacks, and the like. I have seen both, and experienced the wrath of both, because I've played with people who use them, and I have been killed by those who use them.

Another thing is all the glitches in the game, like how I can't kill ducking marines, and getting stuck in random walls when I touch them or climb on them. Some moves don't even work on certain things, like Bile Bomb not killing anything, and acid rocket not killing anything, I've spammed bases with bile bomb, and not kill a thing, but that doesn't happen all the time though, thats why I call it a glitch.

And to the nerfs, marines need to be nerfed down because all they do is nade spam, and once the get heavy armor they are invincible, nothing can kill them. All the do is run around firing nades all over the place killing everything and not dieing at all, its very unfair. THe aliens are obviosuly the weaker race because their defense doesn't even shoot past two feet, and all it does is get shot up by these damn guns here siege.gif . Plus, any gun kills any of them in two hits, and all marines have to do is duck to be invincible, or jump if its a small creature trying to bite them.

This game needs serious nerfing, bug correction and anti-cheat software. Other than that, it still isn't better then CS, which recently got a better anti-cheat system.
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  • BridgerBridger Members Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1761Posts: 327
    OH **obscenity**!!! i had no idea! i'll get to work imediatly sir! not to worry! we'll have it all straightened out by tomorrow sir!

    /sarcasm

    The team knows there are bugs. If you had done a search you would have found numerous other pages of threads concerning the bugs you mentioned, this is not new.

    the marines WERE nerfed in the last patch and aliens were boosted and the GL specifically was nerfed. Just because you've played 2 games where this happened doesn't mean it's a problem all the time. Go play for more than 2 hours. Come back in 2 weeks then tell us what you think about balance, it might carry more weight.

    And people in HA are hardly invincible, even a lerk can take out a HA using umbra and spikes. Do me a favor and search to find all the threads that say aliens are way overpowered and argue with them, i really don't have time for these issues. Sure, the balance isn't perfect, but it's damn close. Again, you need to spend more than a few hours with the game before you can tell how balanced it is.

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    This game needs serious nerfing, bug correction and anti-cheat software. Other than that, it still isn't better then CS, which recently got a better anti-cheat system.


    1) It has VAC already built in (the same anti-cheat that CS uses), and i've never seen a cheat used, you probably just got upset when a player of greater skill killed you.

    2) The balance is pretty spot on right now, both teams can win if they know what their doing (and you obviously don't). There's probably an even number of threads stating that marines are overpowered as are aliens overpowered, that to me = balance tounge.gif

    3) Bugs are being corrected in every update, it's not like they released them on purpose.

    I highly suspect you only like CS because of it's randomness. Sometimes by luck you will get a lot of kills in a row and it will inflate your ego, thus, you think CS is a good game. Then when you come play a game that requires skill and not luck, you tend not to like it.

    /me anticipates much flaming from this CS newbie!
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  • MoroseMorose Members Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5961Posts: 215
    I'm all for more anti-cheat code, but I've killed plenty of asrifle.gif as a newly spawned skulk.gif . There's more to this game than seeing everything as a bug or cheat. I'd rather be lucky than good... but being good doesn't hurt either. wink.gif

    The only bug that truly gets on my nerves at this point is the problem with buildings not taking damage from Bile Bombs. That one has hosed me on more than one occasion.
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  • KidzeldaKidzelda Members Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 819Posts: 160
    edited November 2002
    First off, to hit a marine who's crouching, bite his **area below stomach**.
    The marines don't need to be nerfed, I know, I play mostly alien (to even the teams) and we often whip their collective **obscenity** biggrin.gif It's not as hard as you make it out to be, maybe you aren't an experienced alien (I DO NOT consider myself to be very experienced, and no offense was meant). If anything, the aliens need to be nerfed a TAD, not much. I find fades very powerful, as an alien or marine.

    [edit]Wow, can't even tell the guy where to bite marines without it being censored. That's new!
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  • XCanXCan Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Posts: 1,055
    I just read that post, only thing I agreed with are the glitches and bugs (especially the bile bombs and siege). I don't understand how you mean the aliens are weaker than the marines. Obviously you don't have too much experience on this game or simply been playing on a server with bad players. Recently most of the victories has gone to aliens due to the latest marine nerfing. And about cheats, they will always exist but the persons who uses them know that they are losers who tries to be good at playing a game because IRL they're mobbed and retarded! asrifle.gifasrifle.gifasrifle.gif
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  • BridgerBridger Members Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1761Posts: 327
    QUOTE (XCan @ Nov 15 2002, 06:21 AM)
    I just read that post...

    is that an abra in your avatar or are you just happy to see me?
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  • GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
    Why don't you guys stop being the game's **obscenity** and think on your own, it always seems the lackies come out first with stupid posts, then the smarter people post.

    Like I said, I HAVE PLAYED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BULT STRUCTURES AND KILLED ALIENS AT THE SAME TIME, THEY HAVE ADMITTED THE USE OF HACKS TO ME. I HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN ONE GUY IN AN HA KILLS A WHOLE HIVE. I have been in an HA and been attacked several times, and still not be hurt, I have EXPERIENCED everything I mentioned above. Of course you wouldn't realize that because your too madly in love with the game to see the truth. I have seen aimbots in action, I can tell whats going on because you can SEE the bullets, and then suddenly everybody in the Via Aquaduct is dead because all it took was two shots.

    Why don't you go play the game, see things you wouldn't see by playing with bots? Its different when there is another person on the other side.

    So how about no more idiots post about how the game is all cool and nothing is better then it and how I shouldn't be saying anything about it with no reason but the normal, "You suck, so you hate it."
  • GreyPawsGreyPaws Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8659Posts: 1,340
    hehe i smell a flame comming on. And it aint from a thrower....

    NS is awesome, its a Big step in the right direction its a ground breaking game and I guarantee that in the next 2 years we will have at least 3 FPRTS games from major software developers. I've been playing NS since it came for public review and I dont think ive seen a working cheat yet. and compared to the utter stupidity of CS cheats this game is a breath of fresh air.

    aimbots dont help with startegy or lame commanders, and since there is no locational damage only morons need aimbots in this mod, if you cant hit a big arse marine or a fade you shouldnt be playing FPS
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  • SpaceMarinesGiegerSpaceMarinesGieger Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8683Posts: 39
    LOL. I got accused of aimbotting yesterday by two alines. I take it as a compliment. They just dont understand that a jetpacke marine with a shotgun and welder is to be feared. FEAR THE WELDER. Serioulsy though, a shotgun will take a skulk out in one hit even at range. Its also pretty easy to hit them with it too. As to building and shooting. You sure they arent just hearing you and stoping their building to take care of you? I do it all the time. Unless you guys are silenced you make quite a bit of noise. Their will be hacks everywhere and ne where you go. Just find a good server to call home and get the cheaters banned.

    Again,,,,,,FEAR THE WELDER. asrifle.gif
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  • BoddoZergBoddoZerg Members Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8380Posts: 186
    I have yet to see cheats in NS... if they're there, they're much less common than most online FPS games.

    The only things that desparately need fixing are the bugs - Minimap, Bilebomb, and Siege turret. Other than that, everything else is minor complaints, NS is a great game.
  • Crazed-OneCrazed-One Members Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7027Posts: 165
    Uhh, I do in fact Fear the Welder.
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  • GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
    And I would like to add I play CS all the time, and I'm better then the average player (Assuming the average player isn't a n00b, just at an average skill level.) and I know how HL works. Of course I posted the above post not knowing some smarter people have posted, so I apologize to them.

    But the last time I saw hacks in CS was on a guy's personal server. The anti-cheat technology works almost perfectly, and NS is obviously lacking this. They need NS guard or AdminMod for NS where we have the ability to kick the suspected cheater, even if they are on our own team.

    And yes, marines do need to be nerfed, they are still too powerful, all they do is stand out of range from the offensive chambers and shoot at it, when they run out of ammo, their command just sends more, even if they do get attacked, all their commander does is send down alot of health until they are perfectly fine, plus there is always that one marine that repairs all the HA's armor, making them INVINCIBLE. We get nothing like that, just defensive chambers that we can't build till we have **three hives that slowly regenerate our health.

    ** Alot of servers I play on require three hives, and others require one. Its strange.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Members Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Posts: 2,412
    QUOTE (Genocider @ Nov 15 2002, 05:38 AM)
    And I would like to add I play CS all the time, and I'm better then the average player (Assuming the average player isn't a n00b, just at an average skill level.) and I know how HL works. Of course I posted the above post not knowing some smarter people have posted, so I apologize to them.

    But the last time I saw hacks in CS was on a guy's personal server. The anti-cheat technology works almost perfectly, and NS is obviously lacking this. They need NS guard or AdminMod for NS where we have the ability to kick the suspected cheater, even if they are on our own team.

    And yes, marines do need to be nerfed, they are still too powerful, all they do is stand out of range from the offensive chambers and shoot at it, when they run out of ammo, their command just sends more, even if they do get attacked, all their commander does is send down alot of health until they are perfectly fine, plus there is always that one marine that repairs all the HA's armor, making them INVINCIBLE. We get nothing like that, just defensive chambers that we can't build till we have **three hives that slowly regenerate our health.

    ** Alot of servers I play on require three hives, and others require one. Its strange.

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    ** Alot of servers I play on require three hives, and others require one. Its strange.


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  • SpaceMarinesGiegerSpaceMarinesGieger Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8683Posts: 39
    Um.... Defend your towers. Kill the marine with the welder. What else? Oh yeah. I think you play a little to much CS too man. Go play a game like americas army or something. It seems to me you need to work on your ability for stratage and teamwork. Im not trying to offened you but there are answers to everything you are complaining about.

    Oh and a skulk can take out a heavy. You just need to use your little skulk brain and figure out how to catch him off guard. ***SPOILER WARNING***
    Try not to run up in his line of fire. Itll get you dead even if it is a LMG.

    Almost forgot. Did you want us marines to run up to your towers and knife them? Hrmm dosent seem very smart. Then again we are jarheads. Ill try if for ya next time.

    Quick question. Has anyone been able to ride an onos? Ive been trying along with a few others. I jsut have this grand plan of riding an onos around and knifing him. biggrin.gif Ill let you know if i ever get it to work.

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  • f3rretf3rret Members Join Date: 2002-05-29 Member: 686Posts: 404 Fully active user
    Genocider,

    With one hive, you can build only one upgrade structure. Either Dfense OR Movement OR Sensory.

    With 2 hives, you can build 2.

    With 3 hives, you can build 3.

    If you have 1 hive, and someone lays down a sensory, you can ONLY build sensories until you get another hive.

    Each hive has an upgrade associated with it. If someone kills the hive that has defense associated with it, you can't build any mroe defense.
  • Parse_ErrorParse_Error Members Join Date: 2002-03-18 Member: 331Posts: 106
    Dear Genocider:

    When the alien team builds a hive, they can build either the Defensive Chamber, the Sensory Chamber, or the Movement Chamber. So when you start off the game with one hive, the builder on the team decides which to build first. After that, you can't build one of the other chamber types until you have grown another hive. Thats the way that works. AdminMod does work to some degree with NS.
    As for marines having to be nerfed... that's ridiculous. The game is very well balanced. Heavy Armor marines are far from invincible, esp if you kill the marine carrying the welder. A small group of skulks can take out an HA in a few seconds. As for the commander dropping down health and ammo, that's what he is SUPPOSED to do. That is kinda the point of having commander mode in the first place. The offensive chambers are basically there as a something to keep marines occupied while the calvary, the alien team, comes and attempts to dispatch the human threat.

    At this stage, there isn't really anything wrong with the game with the exception of a few bugs that do cause some rather large hiccups when playing. But otherwise it's great.
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  • GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
    Make sense.

    And yet there are still no answers to my questions. When I said a marine stands out of range of the offense tower I meant the two feet it can shoot into. Gorges are better defense then offense towers because they shoot farther. They need to call them Crappy Defense Towers because there is nothing offensive about them.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Posts: 3,637 Advanced user
    edited November 2002
    Sorry Genocider, but you, quite frankly, are an idiot. If you had any sense at all you'd lay your offensive chambers carefully and keep defense chambers behind them, out of sight, to heal them. Offense chambers are meant to be used in clumps of 3 or 4 or even 5 with 3 defense chambers healing them up, not scattered all over the map. Marines don't need any more toning down, the game is balanced. Cheats are very rare. I haven't encountered or suspected anyone of using a cheat! Don't whine because you can't play Kharaa properly, go practice. You shouldn't be *obsceneties*, you should be practicing.
  • GhostfaceKillahGhostfaceKillah Members Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1438Posts: 150
    i got accused of aimbot when i was playin, but the aliens were tur n00bs. ok, i killed at least 6 skulks that rushed out base (whiched had no turrets because they took out our fact.) immidiatly they all accused me of cheating, but i waasnt, they didnt realise that i had an hmg. not to mention it was 8 vs 2, therfore me being the only active marine
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  • SpaceMarinesGiegerSpaceMarinesGieger Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8683Posts: 39
    So no ones been able to ride an onos? I think they should have little seats right up on their pretty little backs.
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  • Crazy_DogCrazy_Dog Members Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2701Posts: 71
    QUOTE (Genocider @ Nov 15 2002, 10:38 AM)
    And I would like to add I play CS all the time, and I'm better then the average player (Assuming the average player isn't a n00b, just at an average skill level.) and I know how HL works. Of course I posted the above post not knowing some smarter people have posted, so I apologize to them.

    But the last time I saw hacks in CS was on a guy's personal server. The anti-cheat technology works almost perfectly, and NS is obviously lacking this. They need NS guard or AdminMod for NS where we have the ability to kick the suspected cheater, even if they are on our own team.

    And yes, marines do need to be nerfed, they are still too powerful, all they do is stand out of range from the offensive chambers and shoot at it, when they run out of ammo, their command just sends more, even if they do get attacked, all their commander does is send down alot of health until they are perfectly fine, plus there is always that one marine that repairs all the HA's armor, making them INVINCIBLE. We get nothing like that, just defensive chambers that we can't build till we have **three hives that slowly regenerate our health.

    ** Alot of servers I play on require three hives, and others require one. Its strange.

    Ok first off CS is the most hacked up game out there and if you even THINK for a second that the anti-cheat works 100% your sadly mistaken.
    Me = CAL-I, M and CPL player.

    2. Marines are not to powerful! The only think I have seen making the game unbalanced is the teams! in fact the game is so balanced that it only take one or 2 people more on one or the other team to throw it totally out of whack!

    Also learn the meaning of the word invincible. Invincible = unable to kill someone by any means

    A marine that has teammates that heal and protect is called a good TEAM

    Try and work with your team and you will find yourself much better off. last night playing I paired up with a guy and we were rushing terra entrance which was guarded by 4 - 6 marines at anytime several with HA and HMG we proceeded to take out every marine and every turret 3 times with them killing us at the resource node with backup.

    Learn to play. Then see if you still have something to **obscenity** about.
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  • goatgoat Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8692Posts: 3
    any of you guys who think that asrifle.gif need to be nerfed is a retard. the other night, my clan and i played 6v6 as marines against a team of unorganized people. We got our **obscenity** kicked. This is not because we arent any good, id like to think we are decent. Its just that its damn near impossible to hold down a hive because the stupid turret.gif hit about once every 10 shots. So, we either have to concentrate on one area to hold down, or keep pushing up and losing our outposts because the turret.gif are near worthless. We have the HA/HMG asrifle.gif with welders, and we can just keep on hammering away, but it takes a whole lot more ammo to kill a fade than it does acid rockets to kill a HA/HMG even with a welder. Just my 2 cents, feel free to flame if ive said something stupid
  • xioutlawixxioutlawix Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Posts: 646
    Hehe, guys, in regards to Genocider...
    Please do not feed the forum trolls.

    It simply gives them more to rant about.
    I don't know about you, but when someone is so obviously screaming "cheats! bugs! glitches! hacks!", its because they only recently had their a$$ handed to them. Don't even dignify with a response =)
  • Dark_QuartzDark_Quartz Members Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7950Posts: 73
    edited November 2002
    Ok lets see here, maybe you just suck? Even I can kill a marine when hes crouched, hell, I killed five crouched marines in one area at once. And whats the point of hacks in this game? You can get the ability to see where your enemy is anywhere on the map, your fighting in small enclosed places(So aiming shouldnt be hard, if they use aimbot to kill a skulk, they really suck **obscenity**), acid rocket/bile bomb work best on infantry, no real higher/lower damage hit boxes so theres no such thing as head-shots and people screaming,"BS!". And whats this about CS being better than NS? Nice joke, really liked it, I'll be sure to tell to it the people at FA.

    Since when was CS this innovative? Last I remember, CS was just another so called team-play mod, considering how alot of the players tend to go off on their own like a bunch of stupid DM'ers. This mod makes team play necessary. Theres the main magic words, MAKES TEAM PLAY NECESSARY. Also, since when can you build stuff in CS? Yea, Cs is better just because its like almost every other mod out there, just that its bigger and filled with more jerks and cheaters.

    If you dont like NS, fine, but dont come and troll the damn boards, screaming your dumb-**obscenity** head off like a newbie(or n00b if you prefer) yelling out "CS IS B3TT3R! N$ RU!N3D ][\/][Y 1337 [email protected] $k!llZ [email protected] ! [email protected] AWP WH0R3 0R K!11 @ CR0UCH3D [email protected]!N3 !!!!!111"(This may have not been what you said, but seems like a damn good translation of what you meant). Just go away and go play your 1337, normal, boring, CS. We'll have fun with a revelutionary mod for HL.
  • ianskiianski Members Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7707Posts: 104
    QUOTE (Bridger @ Nov 15 2002, 05:17 AM)
    OH **obscenity**!!! i had no idea! i'll get to work imediatly sir! not to worry! we'll have it all straightened out by tomorrow sir!

    HAHAHAHA, gotta love it biggrin.gif
    People expecting a newly released game to be perfect, even CS has a million glitches still.. don't see them fixed even after they went commercial!

    Regarding the heavy armour.. what a lot of newbies don't realise is that the armour deteriates so so very quickly.. even to a single skulk. Soooo they take a million bites and don't lose health over it.. i'd like to see that happen once he's on 85 health and 20armour.. bye bye heavy armour dude. It's suprising how easy it is to kill a HA if you camp above a door and drop on him.

  • GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
    edited November 2002
    Wow the idiots are late.

    This is all I see when I read your posts:

    "I like to suck this game's **obscenity**, I love this game so much I'll argue that its got no problems what-so-ever even though they are immediatly evident when you first enter the game. You must have got shot up alot because you think the game sucks. There is nothing wrong with the game, you just suck."

    How immature is that? Some people admit this game has problems, but the rest of you are the real idiots. But I guess you don't see this because you are marines that take advantages of the glitches and unbalances...

    But there is no use trying to reason with idiots. I can tell a bunch of idiots madly in love with their computer game are going to flame me again.
  • CatgirlCatgirl Members Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5741Posts: 378
    I wonder how much use an aimbot is for a non-hitscan weapon anyway...

    "Oh look, I'm pointed straight at them...and my Acid Rocket flew right by, because it's not hitscan and they dodged it."
  • GenociderGenocider Members Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8676Posts: 10
    That makes alot of sense...
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Posts: 3,637 Advanced user
    Genocider, please leave. Nobody likes you here. We KNOW the game has problems, but NOT balance problems. YOU are the idiot here. Please leave us be and if you think the game is so unbalanced, DON'T PLAY IT!!!
  • Dark_QuartzDark_Quartz Members Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7950Posts: 73
    edited November 2002
    <quote>That makes alot of sense... </quote>

    Yes, it does, if you know anything about HL mods, which you obviously dont.
  • CatgirlCatgirl Members Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5741Posts: 378
    edited November 2002
    If you knew what a hitscan weapon was, it would.

    Actually...I'll be nice and explain.

    A "hitscan" weapon is insta-hit, meaning that no actual "projectile" is fired. Marine guns (LMG, HMG, shotgun, pistol) are like this. Non-hitscan weapons have an actual projectile that's fired and has to hit the target. Hence making them rather useless with aimbots since the "target" can just dodge away anyway.
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