Aliens vs aliens, marines vs marines

Black_Wolf · March 2002

I was just wondering if any of these types of maps will be included in the official releases of this mod . . . im guessing no and they will just be gimmicky kind of maps (btw: how would things like commander mode work in marines vs Marines?)

pielemuis · March 2002

well monsE wrote on www.readyroom.org, see feature section, that those gamemodes won't be included in the first release but that there were some ideas for implementing those new gamemodes, I think we'll have to wait and see, but I think a marines vs. marines would be fun...........
And as for the commander mode, I'm sure it'll work the same way as in the normal aliens vs marines, much like a normal RTS you'd play on-line or on LAN.

Kassinger · March 2002

Oh boy, think of all the possibilities with the next versions when only thinking about the modes of play that might come! =)

Shuvit_Viper · March 2002

this will come, im sure. Although i think we must not have marine vs. marine, but another 'team' which are space terrorists or outlaws or something, maybe even greenpeace like people (a bit harsher <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>) that want to stop the NSA from destroying this new species. They would have commander mode, but all a bit different weapons, because just marine vs marine has no story and is just plain boring i think (although playing might be fun, its just not complete enough).

Black_Wolf · March 2002

yeah, thats what i was thinking, like a human security force or something . . . but a diffferent faction of marines would work too.

The_Artist · March 2002

Im thinking marine vs marine will end up a little like counter-strike in the futer <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> im trying to get away from that.

But still marine vs marine might have that command and conquer feel to it you know commander commanding his troops and buildling stuff and researching technology. Im afraid the maps might lose that scary feel when fighting aliens.
Think of it as team fortress classic but with better graphics and better maps and its more futeristic (god i love tfc lol)

Shuvit_Viper · March 2002

the thing with marines vs marines is that its not scary. Thats not the goal of this time. But when you play marine vs aliens, the marines have tactics and the aliens less tactics. When playing m vs m then you can see which tactic is better. Its more the real RTS style.
I want it in, because it could be part of the NS world, and it is cool to play marines, so why not marine vs marines? *(although i hope aliens vs aliens will be entered too <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>)

Hikuso · March 2002

pffft...gloom had this too....

well.. of a sort.... it was more marine vs the rest of the marines + aliens <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

ChromeAngel · March 2002

I will build a Marine vs Marine map when it is finally implimented. I have a SOF CTF map that I want to convert to NS, only their isn't space for all those hive rooms.

chalupamonk · March 2002

Hmm...this may sound crazy, but...how about the possibility of 4 teams at a time? You know, something like 3 warring hives and one marine platoon caught in the middle.

Ok, so that's a long ways off from ever seeing the slightest light from Reality, but I still think it's a cool idea.

But in a situation like that, MvM is completely insane. I know warring humans would kill each other when left alone, but it'd be quite a stretch for them to break the species barrier and start killing other humans WITH aliens...which rules out a lot.

Shuvit_Viper · March 2002

but they could be environment action groups like ALF or Greenpeace trying to stop the marines from killing this new species. Then this would be realistic.
As i stated earlier this post.

ChromeAngel · March 2002

I did raise the idea of 3 and 4 asside maps a few weeks ago, it was quite well discussed at the time.

Flayra · March 2002

Marines vs. marines and aliens vs. aliens will definitely be supported in the future, but not for the first release. Right now, if a mapper tries to make a map like this, it will horribly break. Do not try this.

I seriously doubt NS will ever support more then two teams. It seems to be a lot of work for almost no payback.

The_Artist · March 2002

Would it be possible to have like 2 different alien factions and 2 different marine factions?

Moleculor · March 2002

Like Flayra said... it'd be a lot of work for little reward.

Also, realize... server limits are 32 players, and that's actually something rare, since it requires a lot of processor power and bandwidth. So most of your servers will be 16 players. If you go for four teams, then it's just four people per team. And since on each Marine team there would be one guy who'd have to be a commander (on -each- team) each of the marine teams would only have three players.

The whole concept of more than two teams sounds fun in theory, but unfortunately you can't apply it to the HL engine.

humbaba · March 2002

This, of ocurse is addressed to future versions of NS.I say we have marines vs.marines, but I dont see how alien vs. alien would be much fun. With marines vs.Marines, the big thing will be that there are in fact two different commanders trying to outstrategize each other. Imagine the possibilities of two commanders trying to outflank eachother. Now, from the marine perspective, to make it as interesting as fighting aliens, you could have an evil faction. Some anarchist group who wears spooky black armor and has nasty looking resource pumps. All that would be need was a nice change of models. Granted, this is still a tremendous undertaking. Still, It would be cool. And by the way, It would have to be the number one priority that the game didnt end up becoming like tfc. I foresee a more DOD kinda feel. As that fits a war between two humans and feels cooler than CS. I suppose the resource points will make it more like DOD in the way of capture points anyway. There is the fact that DOD maps are mostly linear. I'll leave the details to you guys, just an idea.

Kassinger · March 2002

And the fact that you get reinforcements during the game makes it more 'war' rather than 'replaying' the same mission over and over again in rounds as in CS.

DruBo · March 2002

::Hmm...this may sound crazy, but...how about the possibility of 4 teams at a time? You know, something like 3 warring hives and one marine platoon caught in the middle.::

sounds like starcraft! yummy.

SentrySteve · March 2002

Marines vs marines would be fun in the sense that its all skill. No one player can rule the field becuase the t.c. *team commander* can just set up sentry guns, etc. So it becomes a game of who has the better tc and what team accaulty listens to thier tc. Honsenlty, I see no fun in aliens vs aliens... it would just be like random walking around, bouncing off walls, flying... mostly just random moves *aka cs*

The_Artist · March 2002

CS sux, you get alot of campers and alot of just walking around untill you find terrorists and not bother about the objective just get frags and get to the top of the score board.

NS is alot about location, location, location. Place yurr sentries in the wrong place and they will do f**k all. Same with commander mode, if you dont tell your teammates were to go its gonna be alot of confusion when you get closer to the alien hive.

I wonder if 2 marine factions take 1 alien hive maines 4/4 playters each and 8/8 for aliens. that would be sweet or double the numbers for a 32 player server. Suppose it would be hard but think of the feeling of satisfactory of doing it and makeing it playable.

Aliens vs aliens, marines vs marines

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