<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Nov 15 2004, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Nov 15 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dr.Suredeath+Nov 15 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr.Suredeath @ Nov 15 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because this game looks fun.
And beside, we already have first person RTS, it's only a matter of time before someone make a first person hentai mod. I bet it will be HL2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> that is incredibly.... wrong... so very very wrong... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Getting close?
How was it told? GORDON PUSH THIS CRATE INTO THE BEAM. OH NOES. GORDON TO THE SURFACE. GORDON THE MILITARY IS EVIL. GORDON GO TO THE TRAIN. GORDON LAUNCH THE MISSILE. GORDON TO LAMBDA. GORDON CASTRATION OR XEN. There was no immersiveness to it at all. Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 06:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How was it told? GORDON PUSH THIS CRATE INTO THE BEAM. OH NOES. GORDON TO THE SURFACE. GORDON THE MILITARY IS EVIL. GORDON GO TO THE TRAIN. GORDON LAUNCH THE MISSILE. GORDON TO LAMBDA. GORDON CASTRATION OR XEN. There was no immersiveness to it at all. Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe you weren't really paying attention when you played. Gordon was wearing the most avanced piece of power armor devised. It had automatic medical systems built in, plus reactive armor and protection from basically everything. The way I look at it, if the person inside was brave and resourceful enough, he could get a lot done. Maybe not as much as what happens in the game, but that's how it is with every FPS, ever. You do more than is realistic, or else it's no fun.
Plus, enough people loved it that it's frequently on a lot of "best game of all time" lists, and most everyone remembers it fondly. You didn't enjoy it, but that doesn't mean you should be trolling around like a jerk.
Armor means diddly squat it's training. There was no OH CRAP I NEED TO SURVIVE situations. It was moving room to room annihilating all that lived and breathed. Sorry I find it hard to believe a guy whose only weapon training consisted of a trip to the hazard course manages to take down a marine division and stop an alien invasion. (OR DID HE DUN DUN DUN) And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 01:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 01:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Armor means diddly squat it's training. There was no OH CRAP I NEED TO SURVIVE situations. It was moving room to room annihilating all that lived and breathed. Sorry I find it hard to believe a guy whose only weapon training consisted of a trip to the hazard course manages to take down a marine division and stop an alien invasion. (OR DID HE DUN DUN DUN) And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...says the person on the forums for a mod of the game he is bashing
HL was cool at the time, let us hope that HL2 will satisfy us spoiled gamers as long as HL spoiled us <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Armor means diddly squat it's training. There was no OH CRAP I NEED TO SURVIVE situations. It was moving room to room annihilating all that lived and breathed. Sorry I find it hard to believe a guy whose only weapon training consisted of a trip to the hazard course manages to take down a marine division and stop an alien invasion. (OR DID HE DUN DUN DUN) And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quick, pull the emergency brake before we crash into the misinformation!
I'm not sure if you just want to go with the PC, but let's only include PC games (just a few):
Grim Fandango 9/30/1998 Unreal (okay, maybe a bit iffy) 4/30/1998 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 7/31/1998 Baldur's Gate 11/30/1998 Fallout 2 9/30/1998 Thief 11/30/1998 Final Fantasy 7 5/31/1998
Let's not forget that all of South Korea disagrees with you, because of: Starcraft 2/28/1998
...so, yea...look at all the suck on that list... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a sequel to an Overrated game who's only competition at the time was Quake 2. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How was it told? GORDON PUSH THIS CRATE INTO THE BEAM. OH NOES. GORDON TO THE SURFACE. GORDON THE MILITARY IS EVIL. GORDON GO TO THE TRAIN. GORDON LAUNCH THE MISSILE. GORDON TO LAMBDA. GORDON CASTRATION OR XEN. There was no immersiveness to it at all. Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I would have to agree with that. However, for all its unrealistic quirks it <b>was</b> immersive. I enjoyed it. I 'felt' for the character. And I'm hoping that feeling will follow into the sequel.
Particularly with Alyx <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 07:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 07:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Armor means diddly squat it's training. There was no OH CRAP I NEED TO SURVIVE situations. It was moving room to room annihilating all that lived and breathed. Sorry I find it hard to believe a guy whose only weapon training consisted of a trip to the hazard course manages to take down a marine division and stop an alien invasion. (OR DID HE DUN DUN DUN) And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> To enjoy <i>any</i> video game, you have to have some suspension of disbelief. If you insist on everything being completely realistic, you're just going to be out of luck. In fact, I could harp on NS for hours about how it doesn't reflect reality, but I've accepted it and I enjoy it (and I assume you have too or you wouldn't be here). Gordon is a scientist in advanced power armor whose physical training background you have no idea about. I don't think it's any more far fetched a protagonist than any other FPS out there.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a sequel to an Overrated game who's only competition at the time was Quake 2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a sequel to an Overrated game who's only competition at the time was Quake 2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Nov 15 2004, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Nov 15 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Armor means diddly squat it's training. There was no OH CRAP I NEED TO SURVIVE situations. It was moving room to room annihilating all that lived and breathed. Sorry I find it hard to believe a guy whose only weapon training consisted of a trip to the hazard course manages to take down a marine division and stop an alien invasion. (OR DID HE DUN DUN DUN) And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quick, pull the emergency brake before we crash into the misinformation!
I'm not sure if you just want to go with the PC, but let's only include PC games (just a few):
Grim Fandango 9/30/1998 Unreal (okay, maybe a bit iffy) 4/30/1998 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 7/31/1998 Baldur's Gate 11/30/1998 Fallout 2 9/30/1998 Thief 11/30/1998 Final Fantasy 7 5/31/1998
Let's not forget that all of South Korea disagrees with you, because of: Starcraft 2/28/1998
...so, yea...look at all the suck on that list... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit: oh yea, hooray for Quake 2: 11/30/1997] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now lets narrow that list down. FPS's - Unreal Rainbow Six
Now lets narrow it down a little further. Not supposed to be a realistic CQB simulator
Unreal.
Unreal was a good game in its own right but its System Requirements were a bit steep at the time so you couldn't run it WELL on that kickin rad Voodoo1 system let alone software mode.
So wait steve. 2 worthless storylines against as you said yourself a "decent" storyline
Not much competition is it. HL raised the bar for SP games no doubt but it wasn't awesome or amazing by any stretch. It's longevity can be attributed to 2 things. The extremely simple gameplay of CS and System requirements.
1) sequal to most peoples favorite game 2) going to have a ton of mods because pretty much everyone that modded for hl is going to hl2 3) that vampire game is coming out now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> 4) the pit will be converted to sourcce 5) i can make a 3000 poly pistol and people might not **** as much 6) it gives me something to do for a week while waiting for WoW retail
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a sequel to an Overrated game who's only competition at the time was Quake 2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> StarCraft had a good story.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Nov 15 2004, 02:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Nov 15 2004, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Nov 15 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a sequel to an Overrated game who's only competition at the time was Quake 2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> StarCraft had a good story. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> fallout 2 beats hl1 SP hell fallout 1 beats hl1 SP and thats even older
Yes, I'm going to have to agree that Starcraft had a good story. Half life's story was by no means original, or interesting, but how it was told was the immersive part. At that time, no one had played anything like it. Compare HL to the games now, and there won't be much competition. That of course, comes to no surprise. Compare HL to the games that were released at that time, and it was an incredable game.
it really was how it was told. More that it wasn't TOLD to you. It wasn't shoved into your face, "Here's the story." It was there for those who watched and listened.
Questionable Ethics: I wonder what that title is all about... (rounds corner) ... It was us... this isn't an attack, it's a counterattack. We're to blame here.
So did everybody just forgot SiN then? I know, it was bugged to **** at it's release, but they pretty much sorted the majority of the issues with patch 1.01. HL really would've had a competitor on it's hands if SiN was released properly fixed. After 6 years I still think it is heavely underrated.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Nov 15 2004, 03:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Nov 15 2004, 03:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it really was how it was told. More that it wasn't TOLD to you. It wasn't shoved into your face, "Here's the story." It was there for those who watched and listened.
Questionable Ethics: I wonder what that title is all about... (rounds corner) ... It was us... this isn't an attack, it's a counterattack. We're to blame here.
stuff like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Very good point is made.
Even for now, HL1SP is uncompared in immersion for me- despite the low res, blocky, twitchy grapihcs, I felt like I WAS Gordon Freeman, and that I WAS in the middle of hell on earth.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Nov 15 2004, 09:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Nov 15 2004, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So wait steve. 2 worthless storylines against as you said yourself a "decent" storyline
Not much competition is it. HL raised the bar for SP games no doubt but it wasn't awesome or amazing by any stretch. It's longevity can be attributed to 2 things. The extremely simple gameplay of CS and System requirements. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> hey guys it totally raised the bar but it still sucks! ^_~
<!--QuoteBegin-Travis Dane+Nov 15 2004, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Travis Dane @ Nov 15 2004, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> HL really would've had a competitor on it's hands if SiN was released properly fixed. After 6 years I still think it is heavely underrated. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sin you be frank was better than hl it was very good shame they dont bring another one out it was a head of its time
Starcraft did have a pretty decent storyline, considering it was ripped from WH40K fluff, and changed enough to avoid legal conflict.
I will give credit to HL for introducing properly used scripted events, nothing more (which nowadays are a <i>plague</i>). I found System Shock to be much more immersive, and it was released four years earlier...
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And beside, we already have first person RTS, it's only a matter of time before someone make a first person hentai mod. I bet it will be HL2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that is incredibly.... wrong... so very very wrong... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Getting close?
<a href='http://agct.flagrun.net/' target='_blank'>Anime Girl Catfight mod</a>
There was no immersiveness to it at all.
Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht.
There was no immersiveness to it at all.
Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maybe you weren't really paying attention when you played. Gordon was wearing the most avanced piece of power armor devised. It had automatic medical systems built in, plus reactive armor and protection from basically everything. The way I look at it, if the person inside was brave and resourceful enough, he could get a lot done. Maybe not as much as what happens in the game, but that's how it is with every FPS, ever. You do more than is realistic, or else it's no fun.
Plus, enough people loved it that it's frequently on a lot of "best game of all time" lists, and most everyone remembers it fondly. You didn't enjoy it, but that doesn't mean you should be trolling around like a jerk.
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Nuff said.
And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight.
And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
...says the person on the forums for a mod of the game he is bashing
And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quick, pull the emergency brake before we crash into the misinformation!
I'm not sure if you just want to go with the PC, but let's only include PC games (just a few):
Grim Fandango 9/30/1998
Unreal (okay, maybe a bit iffy) 4/30/1998
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 7/31/1998
Baldur's Gate 11/30/1998
Fallout 2 9/30/1998
Thief 11/30/1998
Final Fantasy 7 5/31/1998
Let's not forget that all of South Korea disagrees with you, because of:
Starcraft 2/28/1998
...so, yea...look at all the suck on that list... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit: oh yea, hooray for Quake 2: 11/30/1997]
Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE
There was no immersiveness to it at all.
Opposing force was 10x better and much more immersive. Partly infact because it was believable. A marine who's plane is shot down. Trying to find out his orders. Linking up with fellow marines and kicking butt with excessive amounts of firepower.
Not pocket protector dweeb who goes from shoving crates around a lab to killing entire batalions of marines with a shotgun. With a very healthy dose of crate puzzles. Boy those were fun
HL2 will probably be different since it's known gordon is some hardass nerd with a gun now. But before it was like. Riggghhht. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would have to agree with that. However, for all its unrealistic quirks it <b>was</b> immersive. I enjoyed it. I 'felt' for the character. And I'm hoping that feeling will follow into the sequel.
Particularly with Alyx <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
To enjoy <i>any</i> video game, you have to have some suspension of disbelief. If you insist on everything being completely realistic, you're just going to be out of luck. In fact, I could harp on NS for hours about how it doesn't reflect reality, but I've accepted it and I enjoy it (and I assume you have too or you wouldn't be here). Gordon is a scientist in advanced power armor whose physical training background you have no idea about. I don't think it's any more far fetched a protagonist than any other FPS out there.
Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS
Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE
RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING
THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face
And as I said the reason HL is so revered is because it had NO COMPETITION when it came out. It beat Quake 2 congrats to valve. They managed to beat a blind, armless retarded kid in a fist fight. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quick, pull the emergency brake before we crash into the misinformation!
I'm not sure if you just want to go with the PC, but let's only include PC games (just a few):
Grim Fandango 9/30/1998
Unreal (okay, maybe a bit iffy) 4/30/1998
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 7/31/1998
Baldur's Gate 11/30/1998
Fallout 2 9/30/1998
Thief 11/30/1998
Final Fantasy 7 5/31/1998
Let's not forget that all of South Korea disagrees with you, because of:
Starcraft 2/28/1998
...so, yea...look at all the suck on that list... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit: oh yea, hooray for Quake 2: 11/30/1997] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now lets narrow that list down.
FPS's -
Unreal
Rainbow Six
Now lets narrow it down a little further.
Not supposed to be a realistic CQB simulator
Unreal.
Unreal was a good game in its own right but its System Requirements were a bit steep at the time so you couldn't run it WELL on that kickin rad Voodoo1 system let alone software mode.
but i serioulsy gtg now later
2 worthless storylines against as you said yourself a "decent" storyline
Not much competition is it. HL raised the bar for SP games no doubt but it wasn't awesome or amazing by any stretch. It's longevity can be attributed to 2 things.
The extremely simple gameplay of CS and System requirements.
2) going to have a ton of mods because pretty much everyone that modded for hl is going to hl2
3) that vampire game is coming out now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
4) the pit will be converted to sourcce
5) i can make a 3000 poly pistol and people might not **** as much
6) it gives me something to do for a week while waiting for WoW retail
Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE
RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING
THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
StarCraft had a good story.
Is that why you're taking the time to post on a fourm for a HL1 mod -- a game 6 years old but still the most popular game ever to be made?
OVERRATED WHAT? ROKT IN THE FACE <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Note how we're debating HL1 SP Steve. Go stuff your face some more and flirt with HOT CHICKS <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
HOT CHICKS
if you want to compare HL1 SP to other games, keep it within '98 - lets compare::
STARCRAFT: OLOLOO YEAH AMAZING STORY THERE
RAINBOWSIX: HOLY CRAP THE STORYLINE WAS AMAZING
THEIF: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could go on but I gtg now, and it looks like you just got rocked for a second time in a row -- I will now leave it up to the NS community to continue rocking you in your face <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
StarCraft had a good story. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
fallout 2 beats hl1 SP
hell fallout 1 beats hl1 SP and thats even older
Because it PWNS, period.
OGM W007! H41F-1IF3 2 I5 0U7!!!!!11!!11!!111111111.1oneoneonethousandonehundredelevenpointone
Questionable Ethics:
I wonder what that title is all about...
(rounds corner)
... It was us... this isn't an attack, it's a counterattack. We're to blame here.
stuff like that.
Questionable Ethics:
I wonder what that title is all about...
(rounds corner)
... It was us... this isn't an attack, it's a counterattack. We're to blame here.
stuff like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Very good point is made.
Even for now, HL1SP is uncompared in immersion for me- despite the low res, blocky, twitchy grapihcs, I felt like I WAS Gordon Freeman, and that I WAS in the middle of hell on earth.
Thats all it has to do.
2 worthless storylines against as you said yourself a "decent" storyline
Not much competition is it. HL raised the bar for SP games no doubt but it wasn't awesome or amazing by any stretch. It's longevity can be attributed to 2 things.
The extremely simple gameplay of CS and System requirements. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hey guys it totally raised the bar but it still sucks! ^_~
Sin you be frank was better than hl it was very good shame they dont bring another one out it was a head of its time
I will give credit to HL for introducing properly used scripted events, nothing more (which nowadays are a <i>plague</i>). I found System Shock to be much more immersive, and it was released four years earlier...
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