Military Service: Democrats Vs Republicans
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<div class="IPBDescription">email floating around</div> Military service : democrat v republican -- Pattern here? What does this say?
DEMOCRATS
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
REPUBLICANS [and these are the guys sending people to war]
* **** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "bad knee." the man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "knee problem," although continued playing football in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
PUNDITS AND OTHERS
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a "pilonidal cyst")
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
i find this to be hilarious
DEMOCRATS
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
REPUBLICANS [and these are the guys sending people to war]
* **** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "bad knee." the man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "knee problem," although continued playing football in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
PUNDITS AND OTHERS
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a "pilonidal cyst")
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
i find this to be hilarious
Comments
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.
Offtopic I know, but you republicans really need to run this guy for president.
No seriously, this guy aint half bad (for a republican). If they were to run him in 2008 I'd vote for him (unless Feingold ran of course)
Have you ever served in the Military - response yes = 18%
57% vote Bush
41% vote Kerry
Extrapolated over millions of Americans, that constitutes a statistically significant proportion of people who have served supported Bush, and consequently for his warmongering.
If you want a discussion why dont you get the political records of all politicians in office and then we can discuss. Right now it looks like you just went back through past politicians and found a handfull of democrats that serverd and then found just enough republicans that did not server, to make it look bad.
i just found it to be silly fun. the gist i get from this is a bunch of bigger name democrats served while another bunch of bigger name republicans didnt. but whatever.
i just found it to be silly fun. the gist i get from this is a bunch of bigger name democrats served while another bunch of bigger name republicans didnt. but whatever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please don't take this as a personal attack - just friendly advice.
For a lot of us here, our party of favor is a bit of a touchy subject. This e-mail, though humorous to you, is attempting to sway the way people think in a most bias way. It contains fact, but is not useful for anything other than pitting the parties against each other. Its motives closely resemble that of a popular film, which shall remain nameless.
In other words, throw that e-mail into a "discussion" forum, and that is what you will get. Put it in "off-topic" if you want laughs, and put lots of <b>LOLOLolol </b>around it - just to make yourself perfectly clear - like this:
LOLOL
We don't like silly in this forum!
LOLOL
I would aruge that it wasn't a prerequisite but rather a tool used by the corrupt to force their way.
Kinda pointless though, isn’t it?
It seems to me that it's more important for spin 'n' smear in today's politics rather than a real prequisite. Does it <i>really</i> matter if A. Candidate was in the army or not years ago? I'm sticking my neck out here, but I'll say that most people couldn't give a damn whether you were Rambo or not, just whether you know how to do the job you're pushing for, and what you bring to the table.
And McCain is just about the only person in Congress that makes sense. I'd vote for him without a second thought. Except thinking for fun and profit, of course.
I look at McCain as our ace in the hole. If there is any election that we absolutely feel we need to win we can just throw McCain in and perform a Coup De Grace on the challenger.
And McCain is just about the only person in Congress that makes sense. I'd vote for him without a second thought. Except thinking for fun and profit, of course.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. The funny thing is, that those people who start wars have lived their lives in perfect security with a golden spoon between their buttocks. This gets better every time I read it. Really funny.
However, this I really not apropriate for discussion....
I look at McCain as our ace in the hole. If there is any election that we absolutely feel we need to win we can just throw McCain in and perform a Coup De Grace on the challenger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah , but you prefer to keep GW Bush , because the american people don't deserve a better president , right ?
Sickening...
I look at McCain as our ace in the hole. If there is any election that we absolutely feel we need to win we can just throw McCain in and perform a Coup De Grace on the challenger. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah , but you prefer to keep GW Bush , because the american people don't deserve a better president , right ?
Sickening... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keep making assumptions about whom I supported for president.
Could you also explain why, if I did support GWB, it is sickening?
I look at McCain as our ace in the hole. If there is any election that we absolutely feel we need to win we can just throw McCain in and perform a Coup De Grace on the challenger. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure McCain feels the same way. He didn't feel burned at all by the Republican establishment in 2000, and at the moment, he waits patiently at its beck and call, ready to serve willingly behind a shield of strategists like Karl Rove...
And McCain is just about the only person in Congress that makes sense. I'd vote for him without a second thought. Except thinking for fun and profit, of course.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. The funny thing is, that those people who start wars have lived their lives in perfect security with a golden spoon between their buttocks. This gets better every time I read it. Really funny.
However, this I really not apropriate for discussion.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My statement is correct. You will have to look elsewhere if you want to prove your point, as the main post's topic has nothing to do with it.
Not that what you are saying is particularly inaccurate, just that it doesn't follow from the evidence given in this thread. Virtually nothing follows from that evidence, which was my whole point.
So I suggest you start reading more carefully before the laughter starts.
You called him "our ace in the hole" , while he obviously is a loyal republican... ahem. He's not going to support the democrats anytime soon.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Could you also explain why, if I did support GWB, it is sickening?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems logical , from a foreign perspective , that only the best , most popular candidates are chosen. Some question the choice of John Kerry as a democrat candidate , but I can't understand the republicans prefering GW Bush to McCain. The latter puts a healthy dose of good sense in his plan , and would have a better ability to ensure the unity of America , but the former was irresponsibly selected because of his fundamentalist views. Nowadays , it can make the difference between life and death , freedom and tyranny.
You called him "our ace in the hole" , while he obviously is a loyal republican... ahem. He's not going to support the democrats anytime soon.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Could you also explain why, if I did support GWB, it is sickening?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems logical , from a foreign perspective , that only the best , most popular candidates are chosen. Some question the choice of John Kerry as a democrat candidate , but I can't understand the republicans prefering GW Bush to McCain. The latter puts a healthy dose of good sense in his plan , and would have a better ability to ensure the unity of America , but the former was irresponsibly selected because of his fundamentalist views. Nowadays , it can make the difference between life and death , freedom and tyranny. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I have never voted for a republican presidential candidate yet, though I am a registered Republican.
As for the choice of presidential candiates; it is not, unfortunately, the choice of the most popular candidate. The primary system that we use to pick our candidates has a staggered schedule. While this process gives the candidates to campaign in the states as the primaries continue the real problem is that people will often view a primary win in one state as an indicator that that person is winning and will win their state.
It is an unfortunate trend that all democratic elections share. If a candidate seems to be winning people are more likely to vote for that candidate because of the human trait of being afraid to vote for a candidate that loses.
In my home state of Pennsylvania for example. In the primaries for the 2000 presidential election all of the nominee candidates had dropped out of the race. We were given a choice of: GWB. (I still wrote in McCain)
It is unlikely that this system will ever change. Sometimes we are lucky and the candidate we wish to see become the nominee will win the early primaries. Other times... we end up with what we got in 2000.
I have a suspicion that the number of leaders with military experience who have started wars vastly outnumber the leaders without military experience who starts wars. Saddam had war experience, Stalin didnt, Hitler was a WW1 hero with the Iron Cross, Arafat had fighting experience, Sharon has experience, GHB had fighting experience, Margaret Thatcher had none.
Then factor in how the majority of military voters voted in support of Bush by a significant amount - and I'd say you'd be chuckling less and less every time.
There is clearly no link between battle hardened leaders and an unwillingness to use troops, nor is there a link between militarily inexperienced leaders and an willingingness to fight.
Have you ever served in the Military - response yes = 18%
57% vote Bush
41% vote Kerry
Extrapolated over millions of Americans, that constitutes a statistically significant proportion of people who have served supported Bush, and consequently for his warmongering. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Being in the army doesn't make you smart, but aparently being a smart guy in the army makes you a democrat.
Sure, if you take voting for Bush as a sign of stupidity..... otherwise, I dont think so.
Quoted for emphasis.
My statement is correct. You will have to look elsewhere if you want to prove your point, as the main post's topic has nothing to do with it.
Not that what you are saying is particularly inaccurate, just that it doesn't follow from the evidence given in this thread. Virtually nothing follows from that evidence, which was my whole point.
So I suggest you start reading more carefully before the laughter starts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you b**tching at me? I just agreed this to be funny. I even agreed that this should not be in discussion...why me...?
My statement is correct. You will have to look elsewhere if you want to prove your point, as the main post's topic has nothing to do with it.
Not that what you are saying is particularly inaccurate, just that it doesn't follow from the evidence given in this thread. Virtually nothing follows from that evidence, which was my whole point.
So I suggest you start reading more carefully before the laughter starts. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you b**tching at me? I just agreed this to be funny. I even agreed that this should not be in discussion...why me...? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Lightning rod syndrome. At one time or another you posted a message which raised another's ire. Therefore anything you post in the future is likely to be viewed with cynicism or skepticism and increases the possibility that the person will argue with you no matter what you say. Though your statement was a bit too illustrative for the comfort of my mental images. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It isn't worth worrying about. We all anger each other at some point. In a few days there will be a new target to gang up on.
I think this thread has run its course. Every party has people who served in the military and people who didn't. Unless I find the clause that requires military service for a federal job then there really is nothing to consider.