Accused Of Cheating...

Brew · November 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">..finally, I've arrived!! :)</div> as a skulk, I tore through two marines who thought they had teh ub4r a1m.
one dude yells something over global chat about a hack or cheat or something and starts spamming some TLA, quitting shortly thereafter.

frankly, I took it as a compliment!
That's how you know you've gotten better.

Either that, or it was just some l33t CS wanker who can't stand getting killed <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Then, the next game I tried commanding for the first time on live marines (not bots).
lol, that's another story for another day (when my pride's recovered somewhat <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'> )

-Brew

domesticxdispute · November 2002

There was one guy named who everyone thought was using some sort of 'god hack.' I tried to kill him when I was onos and and had no success. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'> I realized he wasn't hacking when I was commander for the marines later on in the game and gave him a medpack <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
BTW: are there any hacks out for NS? I'm not looking for any, but I sure hope the hackers haven't moved to this mod yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>

CrazedMonkOnaMission · November 2002

yes there are, I'm of course not going to say how or what so everyone starts to do it.

Fooshie · November 2002

there are edited opengl wallhacks out, private though.

Forlorn · November 2002

You know what would be funny? If someone accused the aliens of wallhacking. I would laugh my **obscenity** off if they did.

Also, once Mirenes get motion tracking it's just like another hive sight, or a wallhack, so there really is no point to wall hacking.

/me laughs at most of the CS players

Cyborgguineapig · November 2002

I have an idea...Close this thread.
I personally beleive the NS forums should treat this subject with the same defense as some big game franchises have against warez. Don't even mention you have access to hacks. Cheating is what ruined Red Fe=action off quickly now don't promote the same in NS.

Fooshie · November 2002

i dont have access, ive only seen screenshots of a h4x3d NS

ctx · November 2002

I heard VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat) was supposed to be included in the next client release. VAC works very well because it uses ways of actually blocking the ways of hooking the dll instead of just 'detecting' cheats in a folder by way of strings and such.

domesticxdispute · November 2002

I'm guessing someone will find away around it within a week.

Poor_Yurik · November 2002

Unfortunately true. No matter what they do, some brilliant computer operator that can't hack getting killed in a game will find a way around it. Now lets hope that AimBot won't find it's way into the marine nanos...

Rabid_Llama · November 2002

Heh, one game I WAS accused of wallhacking, after my team had had motion tracker for a good five minutes. I kindly pointed out that we had upgraded sensors. "Yeah, whatever, hacks." was the response, and as far as I could tell, he wasn't kidding <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>
The moral of the story is to not accuse people of hacking until you know how to *play the game* in the first place

Mafukie · November 2002

personally I don't see the point of cheating in this game...

only advantage I would see happening is when being a marine know where the aliens are if they are cloaked.

UnicroN · November 2002

'Private' hacks? Hahaha. Any hack that works on half-life or counterstrike should work
fine on NS if its a hook hack. And why bother in the first place? They are usually
chock full of trojans, and the game itself basically does the job for you, with motion
tracking and the hive vision type stuff. Hell, you get parasite ability right off the bat!

Take your aimbots and wallhacks elsewhere tools, they dont do much against an enemy
with turrets, and they can see you just as well <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

REMEMBER KIDS!

DEFENSIVE>MOVEMENT>SENSORY

Acrobad · November 2002

I just did a quick search in the interest of this (not that i wanted the h4x)

the search is quite satisfactory, meaning there is no public hack yet... at least it's not going to be easy to be dug out in the pile of results containing "Natural Selection Anti-Hack" or "Natural Selection doesn't need hack/OGC" <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

But seriously what's the point of cheating in this game? The only h4x that would be rather oblivious is aimh4x... but what if you're an alien? aimh4xing with skulk while you're being picked off from the far end of the hallway?

Natural selection doesn't need h4x!! It <b>is</b> h4x!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'> Wallh4x, Teleport h4x, flying h4x... you name it NS has it...!! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Cyborgguineapig · November 2002

I don't understand why "they" can't just make a program which detects any change in the programs scripts to make the game not run correctly. I just don't get it. I still don't understand why there are plenty of games out there that don't have online cheating. Why HL based mods? Why didn't I ever run into cheaters until I played CS? Hackers are not unstoppable. You make the coding so complicated and tedious that hackers will give up realizing its not worth hacking just for some stupid helpfull advantage over the apponent. Though I may be wrong because some hackers love the process of hacking like a hobby.

As soon as the hackers come to NS, I'm outa here, prob along with a heap of other devoted players. Most people get hacks from one created hack, meaning one devoted **obscenity** makes a hack and everyone downloads it. You simply make it so the damn game wont run if it detects anything different. Simple as that. It is not "Hackers" who destroy the fun for everyone, it is the "hackers devoted fans" who download the stupid hacks and use them ingame.

Since CS eventually evolved into a hack heaven, all Hl mods after it are easier to hack then CS. This is why CS survived the hack attack. I see NS like Red faction. I remember the cheating becoming so bad in the first few weeks of Red Factions release that the dev team was forced to make a patch just to stop cheating in game. After the patch failed to stop them, Red Faction died. This is why Red Faction 2 wil prob only be released for Playstation 2 and not on PC. Beleive it or not, at one point, Volition just couldn't take the communities request to stop the cheaters anymore and closed the forums down suddenly along with its main site. Talk to any person who played Red faction and they will tell you "Volition destroyed Red Faction" which is absolutely true since they closed the main forum pretty much killing its fan club. Now they try to hide the past by releasing a Red Faction 2 for playstation 2.

To get to the point. I'm outta here once cheating gets bad and the hope of NS growing will shrivel if something is not done. If you have to...Make Ns a seperate kinda program which requiers a one way approach. Hard to explain this. Make NS only connect through an online webpage thingy like heat was. Something that requires a membership anything to keep hackers out. people hack the site and you can sew their **obscenity** rather than people having too much freedom to their hardrive to play online.

So you hate this idea, oh well, I just want to play a fair game. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'>

Rabid_Llama · November 2002

The problem with the "if it detects something different, shut down" idea is that the current cheats exist outside of HL itself, I believe. Something to do with openGL. The cheats that are done from within HL, like model switching and such, have been stopped. Ever seen "This server is forcing consistency on model _______"? That's what that is.
And as for making the code too complicated to hack.. well, then it's too complicated to fix bugs in, too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
But Valve is trying. Their anticheat system just might help, I dunno.
Then again, I think hackers will stick to CS. You can shoot through walls there, making wallhacks more useful. Headshots don't matter in NS either. So h4x aren't all that useful in NS. Unless they make a skill h4x that makes all of your troops follow your orders <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Teufel_Eldritch · November 2002

Couldnt hacks for NS be something different than wallhacks or aimbots? Perhaps the hacks could be something that makes your health remain full or gives you armor even when you dont have the research or resources to get it or perhaps hacks could be made to speed up building processes. Cheats do not necessarily mean aiming or seeing thru walls. Cheats arent only used in killing. You can cheat in other manners as well.

JA1num · November 2002

cheat accusations..could be a bug,like how i bit a human in the legs x 7 times with no heavy armor and he's still alive... *sighs*

Hukka · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (domesticxdispute @ Nov 14 2002, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>There was one guy named who everyone thought was using some sort of 'god hack.' I tried to kill him when I was onos and and had no success. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'> I realized he wasn't hacking when I was commander for the marines later on in the game and gave him a medpack <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>
BTW: are there any hacks out for NS? I'm not looking for any, but I sure hope the hackers haven't moved to this mod yet <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Well.. lets make list of a cheater and ban them all.. it will make stop them cheating..

Cheaters are lamers

JA1num · November 2002

and there's this bug which allows u to attack+ run while still cloaked ,happened to me ,i think i still have the demo of it,this Onos killed like 5 guys on my team (including me) and none of us even see a hint of an onos and we all died ,can the mighty ns developers plzzz fix this bug ?

qrackd · November 2002

wallhacks and aimbot will still be just as useful in NS as in any other mod. Hivesight and motion sensor are somewhat wall hacks in themselves, but only if they're parasited, being seen by your teammate or if they are moving. Hiding behind a wall with a wallhack would let you see everyone, not just those that were aforementioned. As it is known, there is no locational damge in Ns, so you can attack anywhere on the body and still do max amount of damage. Aimbot would make it that much easier. You see 3 skulks coming at you, your aimbot would just kick in and kill each skulk in the 8 bullets it takes to kill an unupgraded skulk. As a skulk, if you were to ambush a few marines, aimbot would automatically aim at the marines for you so biting could be that much more effective. While aimbot most likely wouldn't help with the naturally spread of the weapons such as the hmg, if a fade or an onos were to get within a certain distance, it would still make killing easy.

Gwahir · November 2002

I've had the perma-cloak as well... On Blahman's. Though I was the fade... I was wondering how their aim was so bad until I was asked how I stayed cloaked. I didn't know, told them that, and suggested maybe it was good dental hygiene.

kanseri · November 2002

they were lamerz

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