joevGiving grief... With a smile.Join Date: 2002-07-20Member: 977Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--QuoteBegin--BlAcK_PlAgUe22+Nov 11 2002, 11:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlAcK_PlAgUe22 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can backup the fact that CCF was a llama. (I think I was in that game, I remember Corp. Hicks and Verdorben)
And is (assuming) [AWEV] a llama clan? Earlier (I think it was Fragzone, can't remember), [AWEV]Silencer[insert-letters-which-Ican't-remember-here] started killing our CC and turrets to "help the aliens win."
<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I know some of the AWEV people and they are not a llama clan...
Most are decent guys but are quite young... (< 16)
Rapier regularly plays DoD and CS on our servers (jarHedz) and has generally been well behaved... I suspect frustration and immaturity got the better of him.
Silencer I can't comment on as I don't know him.
The danger with this sort of forum thread is that it's very easy to post in frustration about a player who has ticked you off but much more difficult to get them 'unbanned' if people start adding them to global banlists.
Generally speaking you should only be summarily banning people for things like racism or sexism etc or if they are a un-repentant pain in the backside (i.e. are acting the idiot for *more than 1* game)
Even at that, people should be given the chance to mend their ways.
We have a policy of pretty strict admining... draconian almost.. but to soften it, we also have a policy of 1 unban (i.e. you are banned for any reason including cheating, you can come to us and apologise and be unbanned ONCE! - if you have to be banned again then it's permanent)
This works very well as it give us (and them) a chance to talk and establish a rapport.
Some of the most respectable members of our community have gone through this wringer <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> and because we have established respect for each other they, and we, have become better people for it.
Players need to understand that to server admins, their servers are like their 'homes' and that when you visit someones home you treat it and the people in it with the appropriate respect. (just as you would in real life.)
So, Beware of being too over the top, but at the same time don't take crap from 'visitors' <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thanks for the won ids to ban. I will add all of them to my server. For all you linux ops, another fun thing to do with lamers is to null route offending IPs. hehehe
The only reason why people become lame in online games is because they dont have the brain capacity to play. They become frustrated with their own ignorance and decide that it would be fun to be an **obscenity** and **obscenity** people off. You cant stop them because one is born every second. Best thing to do is mind them no attention. Boot, ban, null route, they'll be back. If they only knew that, In my case, Im sending their IP's to their prospective ISPs with a little side note stating that they were flooding my server. Its easy to make up bogus logs to show proof. Whos laughing now, when your in jail.
Just remember little lamer losers, its not that hard to turn daddys computer into a big paper weight. Be careful whos turf you step in, especially mine!
Good lord Forum ops, I know where your coming from, but is it neccessary to filter some of the words that you are filtering. I filter words on my forum too, but good golly jeepers man!
im not banning anyone listed on this thread. I mean some people are just havin fun. or **obscenity** off about something.
I have destroyed our cc b4 but i did something that saved us all..... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Nothing wrong with having fun, but when people start having fun at the detriment of others to the point where they destroy the game, its no longer acceptible and they never deserve to play again. -shrugs-
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Er, is the only way to get wonid with rcon or some other adminmod command? I would like to know; spidergaming:27016 (NS v1.01: Iowa City Spider Gaming) was llama infested tonight, with at least one turd being present at all times. I actually had to call up the attendant there and have her kick one guy (his name was 'j' BTW, although I'm sure that is a reasonably common/not unique name).
BTW, thanks for these wonid's. I will put them to good use (as soon as I figure out how <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )
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edited November 2002
<!--QuoteBegin--Misfire+Nov 13 2002, 10:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Misfire @ Nov 13 2002, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have destroyed our cc b4 but i did something that saved us all..... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That has got to be one of the most outrageously stupid things I have <i>ever</i> heard. Really. It's <i>that</i> stupid. I mean, up on the stupidity level of "Ignorance is Bliss."
I too second that in regards to what Vektuz and Black Plague said about CCF killing all the stuff on the Marines side during that game. WON ID - 1306454 AlienBastard is another person that deserves a ban. During a LONG (went on for 5 hours) good fight (Hera was the map) on the voogru.com server, AlienBastard destroyed everything in the Marine base. Luckily the admin came on and AlienBastard immdiately left the server. His WONID is 1354225. In the end however our team won thanks to my l33t comm skills <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
hmmm this is an interesting topic, do I ban people or not because of what others say someone's done? I say yes because I'm sick and tired of all the lame people out there. I look at my logs and when I see someone being retarted I put them in my list for one simple reason, they ruin the fun had for the others on the server. If somones had a bad day and needs to blow some steam shoot ALIENS!!! not your own team. How on earth could anyone say that destroying your own team is a good way to get over a bad day? that doesn't make any sense whatsoever and if for somereason you think it does can I have your wonid# please? Cause I don't want you on my server... that by the way... I PAID FOR!!! ok that's my two cents worth.
Erm I hope server admins arent baning people just for the simple fact that wonid's are in here. Apart from the very dubious ethics of banning someone without decent evidence and / or on the basis of heresay , you should take your evidence to the admin of the server you play on. If you dont get evidence thats tough and if you dont know the admin play on a server where you know to find one.
^ This thead is a bad idea , I'm disapointed it's been stickied.
Ok.. I've gone through the all the posts so far and added all the won's in this topic to my banned.cfg (except for 2 .. An AFK'R and Hidden Alien). Plus I added a couple of ppl who were being 'Dorks' (to put it mildly) on my server.. so here you go.. just cut and paste this into your banned.cfg file and you are all set. Btw I have also implemented Clanmod on my server from UnitedAdmins.com <a href='http://forums.unitedadmins.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16356' target='_blank'>http://forums.unitedadmins.com/showthread....&threadid=16356</a> .. I highly recommend it for it's swear filters - anti-chat flood protection - and menu driven commands that make it easy to slap/kill/kick/ban losers.. as well as adding the abilitiy to allow admins to switch users between teams when they become really stacked.
He was an alien in "disguise" and helped the aliens by building several infantry portals and spamming teamchat.
Unfortunately I didn't take any screenshots or condumps of this guy, but one of the other players said he knew the admin and would get him banned. They can probably verify this.
he built a command console on top of the map (exploit) and then sat in it for a good half hour laughing because he was wasting everyones time. he finally left it and died and after playing for another half hour or so the admin showed up and gave him a hearty ban
then i saw him on another server. the exploitable map (ill pm it to an admin, i would rather not share exploits) happened to come up again, and he did the exact same thing. god i cant stand him...
A little off topic, but helpful... Does the Size of the WonID have anything to do with how long they have played HL? As in like ICQ, higher number people are newer.... as in 1,2,3.. increments of ones?
If so, i think it's funny to watch the higher numbers get banned <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Shows their "noob-ish"-like personality.
Server: CodeMonkey's NS v1.01 12:30p.m. EST 11/14/02
Destroyed his own team's structures when his team wouldn't let him command. Left right before the admin showed up.
Please note my ID, 79905. He threatened to post it in retaliation.
Screenshots included.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks Tactician. I didn't get his WON ID before he disconnected. He's been banned now.
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Then, how do you ban them? Is Clanmod, Admin Mod (which does not work with my server) or some other type of admin software required, or does HLDS support banning?
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About the wonids - as far as I know, the older the batch your CD is from, the shorter the wonid. For example, my wonid is only six numbers, as I bought my copy of Half-Life soon after it was released, almost four years ago. However, all the wonids we have at spidergaming are pretty long, and these CDs were only bought recently.
Banning with HLDS is possible. The syntax is like this..
banid <time> <WONID> or banid <time> <ID#>
ID# is the UserID in status, usually 1-3 digits, assigned when the players joins the server. You can use either the short ID# or the unique WONID. Use a time of 0 to ban indefinitely (or, until the server stops running). For example,
banid 0 1496118
If the player is in the game, you can use this:
banid 0 1496118 kick
and it will also kick the player.
To keep the player banned every time your server starts, add the banid line in your server.cfg.
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WONID: 370345
Crime: Killing marines stuff. Over and over. For hours. With knife / gun. at start of game.
Screenies:
<img src='http://members.cox.net/vexgames/tony_die.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
<img src='http://members.cox.net/vexgames/tony_die2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
<img src='http://members.cox.net/vexgames/tony_die3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
And is (assuming) [AWEV] a llama clan? Earlier (I think it was Fragzone, can't remember), [AWEV]Silencer[insert-letters-which-Ican't-remember-here] started killing our CC and turrets to "help the aliens win."
<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know some of the AWEV people and they are not a llama clan...
Most are decent guys but are quite young... (< 16)
Rapier regularly plays DoD and CS on our servers (jarHedz) and has generally been well behaved... I suspect frustration and immaturity got the better of him.
Silencer I can't comment on as I don't know him.
The danger with this sort of forum thread is that it's very easy to post in frustration about a player who has ticked you off but much more difficult to get them 'unbanned' if people start adding them to global banlists.
Generally speaking you should only be summarily banning people for things like racism or sexism etc or if they are a un-repentant pain in the backside (i.e. are acting the idiot for *more than 1* game)
Even at that, people should be given the chance to mend their ways.
We have a policy of pretty strict admining... draconian almost.. but to soften it, we also have a policy of 1 unban (i.e. you are banned for any reason including cheating, you can come to us and apologise and be unbanned ONCE! - if you have to be banned again then it's permanent)
This works very well as it give us (and them) a chance to talk and establish a rapport.
Some of the most respectable members of our community have gone through this wringer <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> and because we have established respect for each other they, and we, have become better people for it.
Players need to understand that to server admins, their servers are like their 'homes' and that when you visit someones home you treat it and the people in it with the appropriate respect. (just as you would in real life.)
So, Beware of being too over the top, but at the same time don't take crap from 'visitors' <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
joev.
do you really want admins to ban people based upon unproven word of mouth?
if so, what would stop me from posting YOUR name/wonid here, falsely accusing you of cheating just for the fun of it?
sorry, but right now this looks like some sort of witch hunt
got ejected from comm so he decided to destory the base ;/
|NFK| Natural SElection v1.01 (63.214.254.69:27016)
As A marine 'b' decided to join and destroy our entire base. If you hurry you might be able to catch him at it.
wonid - 1150501
wendigo
/usr/sbin/route add -host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx gw 127.0.0.1
The only reason why people become lame in online games is because they dont have the brain capacity to play. They become frustrated with their own ignorance and decide that it would be fun to be an **obscenity** and **obscenity** people off. You cant stop them because one is born every second. Best thing to do is mind them no attention. Boot, ban, null route, they'll be back. If they only knew that, In my case, Im sending their IP's to their prospective ISPs with a little side note stating that they were flooding my server. Its easy to make up bogus logs to show proof. Whos laughing now, when your in jail.
Just remember little lamer losers, its not that hard to turn daddys computer into a big paper weight. Be careful whos turf you step in, especially mine!
Good lord Forum ops, I know where your coming from, but is it neccessary to filter some of the words that you are filtering. I filter words on my forum too, but good golly jeepers man!
I have destroyed our cc b4 but i did something that saved us all..... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I haven't figured that out yet. What do you need and how do you do it?
(I admin a FireArms server, so this would be nice to have.)
BTW, thanks for these wonid's. I will put them to good use (as soon as I figure out how <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> )
That has got to be one of the most outrageously stupid things I have <i>ever</i> heard. Really. It's <i>that</i> stupid. I mean, up on the stupidity level of "Ignorance is Bliss."
WON ID - 1306454
AlienBastard is another person that deserves a ban. During a LONG (went on for 5 hours) good fight (Hera was the map) on the voogru.com server, AlienBastard destroyed everything in the Marine base. Luckily the admin came on and AlienBastard immdiately left the server. His WONID is 1354225. In the end however our team won thanks to my l33t comm skills <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
^ This thead is a bad idea , I'm disapointed it's been stickied.
banid 0.0 941525
banid 0.0 1804114
banid 0.0 2253768
banid 0.0 405798
banid 0.0 494303
banid 0.0 139813
banid 0.0 842367
banid 0.0 2025257
banid 0.0 482504
banid 0.0 941608
banid 0.0 749540
banid 0.0 170804
banid 0.0 277679
banid 0.0 39520
banid 0.0 1306454
banid 0.0 107627
banid 0.0 662164
banid 0.0 370345
banid 0.0 738994
banid 0.0 1150501
WonID: 547090
Server: Auria Pelikaista Natural Selection 2 v1.01
He was an alien in "disguise" and helped the aliens by building several infantry portals and spamming teamchat.
Unfortunately I didn't take any screenshots or condumps of this guy, but one of the other players said he knew the admin and would get him banned. They can probably verify this.
he built a command console on top of the map (exploit) and then sat in it for a good half hour laughing because he was wasting everyones time. he finally left it and died and after playing for another half hour or so the admin showed up and gave him a hearty ban
then i saw him on another server. the exploitable map (ill pm it to an admin, i would rather not share exploits) happened to come up again, and he did the exact same thing. god i cant stand him...
^default name
Server: CodeMonkey's NS v1.01
12:30p.m. EST 11/14/02
Destroyed his own team's structures when his team wouldn't let him command. Left right before the admin showed up.
Please note my ID, 79905. He threatened to post it in retaliation.
Screenshots included.
Does the Size of the WonID have anything to do with how long they have played HL? As in like ICQ, higher number people are newer.... as in 1,2,3.. increments of ones?
If so, i think it's funny to watch the higher numbers get banned <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Shows their "noob-ish"-like personality.
Bye. AIM- jedipunks
^default name
Server: CodeMonkey's NS v1.01
12:30p.m. EST 11/14/02
Destroyed his own team's structures when his team wouldn't let him command. Left right before the admin showed up.
Please note my ID, 79905. He threatened to post it in retaliation.
Screenshots included.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks Tactician. I didn't get his WON ID before he disconnected. He's been banned now.
-Caaen
CodeMonkey's NS 1.01
banid <time> <WONID>
or
banid <time> <ID#>
ID# is the UserID in status, usually 1-3 digits, assigned when the players joins the server. You can use either the short ID# or the unique WONID. Use a time of 0 to ban indefinitely (or, until the server stops running). For example,
banid 0 1496118
If the player is in the game, you can use this:
banid 0 1496118 kick
and it will also kick the player.
To keep the player banned every time your server starts, add the banid line in your server.cfg.