I have seen this topic many a time in my journies to the wonderland of Discussion threads and forums, but never have I seen this topic the same way you posted it 6john6doe6 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I find it absolutly halarious that both you're case studies contain absoluty NO evidece as to the decay of the human genetic condition, and the one statement of reasonable evidence given (the decrease of the male cromosome) is simply a two point trend that some scientists picked up equivilent to takeing the temperature outside for two monthes from september to november, and from your findings that the temperature is dropping, hypothosizing that in a few hundred years the global temperature would drop to absolute zero. It is fact that the trend exists, but there is absoluty NO evidence whatsoever that the trend will not shift, it certianly has the time to shift (roughly 100 million years).
Statiscicly human genes are acctually improving. The introduction of foreign genes to new pools is creating more genetic variaty, which in the long run means more genetic resistance to desease and threats. Your examples of media induced brain washing creating small scale stupidity don't speak to the genetic quality of the world whatsoever... In addition I will also point out that lesbians do not breed, and intolerance isn't genetic, it is taught.
I'm kinda curious now what you did to those Juniors that got them so angry at you that made you so angry that you started thinking about selective breeding.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Oct 4 2004, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Oct 4 2004, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm kinda curious now what you did to those Juniors that got them so angry at you that made you so angry that you started thinking about selective breeding. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl.
I was wondering about that too... "people hate me, so they shouldn't be allowed to breed" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now, while we are at it, I'm all for giving parents up to 10 days after their child is born to decide whether or not the child should live. We'll call this the "After-Birth Fetus." Also, patients that are terminally ill and incurable are taking up space on a hospital bed that is needed for someone else. Euthenasia can solve that little bed stealer!
And people thought the slippy slope of NS: Classic was steep...
Hey guys, here's something interesting for ya: how's about NO. Selective Breeding is a bad idea because I don't trust anyone enough to allow it. I certainly don't trust you, Mr. Doe, I certainly don't trust Talesin, I certainly don't trust politicians. I don't trust anyone enough to give them that authority.
Selective Breeding is giving government the power of God, controlling people's right to have children. That retard is still a person, even if they are stupid.
Instead of sterilization, why don't we try and figure out why all of the sudden mental retardation is occurring, why there is an increase in femininity among males, and what can be done to prevent these growing trends.
How about, for starters, we stop feeding children soy based milk? Why? Well, Soy milk acts as estrogen in the body. Imagine flooding the young male baby's body with a hormone that acts like the primary female hormone. I can foresee some real negative effects. How about not feeding your child cancer causing processed food day after day. Also, how about getting people to live healthier, drink more water, smoke less crap, etc etc.
We have more oppurtunity to change our bodies for bad or for good in the world of today than ever before. Why don't we take control and keep ourselves healthier and fitter, giving more natural foods and natural milk to children.
And Talesin, the reason I'm voting for Bush is because I can think for myself. Interesting how that works, eh?
<!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would consider any homophobe, any racist an imbecile. Tally doesn't want Republicans to reproduce. So... whose ideas get used? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would consider any homophobe, any racist an imbecile. Tally doesn't want Republicans to reproduce. So... whose ideas get used? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though
And<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the reason I'm voting for Bush is because I can think for myself. Interesting how that works, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please explain how THAT works. His entire campaign has been based on euphamisms, misinformation, and insinuating the united states is under constant attack by foreigners. He managed to take a half-way decent nation, politically speaking, and turn it into a nationalistic cesspool. Seriously, please explain how conforming to the neo-conservative front is "Free thought"
How about you check out the dozens of times I've defended my reasoning in these threads. This is not the thread to try and have a Bush vs Liberal debate, particularly when you're going to simply use the same old arguments that are simply a product of direct ingorance. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Back on topic, the danger of this topic is that it relies on strict government regulation which is invasive to the privacy of its citizens. Hey, let's just have the government involved even more with our daily lives. That's a real winning idea!
These kind of government programs disgust me to no end. Simply being a human being now has no value if you are mentally retarded.
It is too dangerous of a road to go down. Once you start, you just can't stop, which is why now that abortion is legal, there are certain professors at certain Ivy League schools that are saying parents have the right to decide whether or not their child lives up to 8 days <i>after</i> birth.
People say Bush is a tyrant and fascist until their blue in the face, but when pure Liberals start yelling about Social Engineering through Government Control, everyone gets real quiet. And then keeps on attacking Bush.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheCheeseStandsAlone+Oct 4 2004, 11:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheCheeseStandsAlone @ Oct 4 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would consider any homophobe, any racist an imbecile. Tally doesn't want Republicans to reproduce. So... whose ideas get used? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh.
Actually... I know a homosexual, non-homophobic, non-racist Republican. Yeah, I was shocked too.
I stand with illuminex on this one - I just don't trust anyone to ever have the 'right' judgement when it comes to deciding who gets to breed and who doesn't.
<!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Oct 5 2004, 03:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Oct 5 2004, 03:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TheCheeseStandsAlone+Oct 4 2004, 11:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheCheeseStandsAlone @ Oct 4 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Oct 4 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Athena+Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Athena @ Oct 4 2004, 02:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would consider any homophobe, any racist an imbecile. Tally doesn't want Republicans to reproduce. So... whose ideas get used? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh.
Actually... I know a homosexual, non-homophobic, non-racist Republican. Yeah, I was shocked too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL, theres homosexual non-homophobic's? Really? I never knew that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->LOL, theres homosexual non-homophobic's? Really? I never knew that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
She was just pointing out that he didn't hate himself for being a homosexual Republican. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ok people. We all know there is only two types of people in the world, commie bastards who want nothing more to then to take all the money away from hardworking people and give it to lazy bums... and facist war mongers who want only to cleanse the world of evil, more or less by killing anyone who disagree's with them about anything.
Lets just skip the formalities and get straigt to the point here. Clearly people with the opposing political position to our own should not be allowed to breed.
One day I was walking down the street and I saw this guy giving money to a poor lesbian black crippled metally handicapped human being, and this other guy didn't like him because he was a terrorist, so a I made a joke and everyone laughed at it but in secret they really all hated me. So as you can see some people just should not be allowed to breed, so stop taking this discussion off topic and just accept reality. Voting democrat is like eating an orange, the juice always squirts into your eyes and makes you blind. True story.
<!--QuoteBegin-6john6doe6+Oct 2 2004, 12:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john6doe6 @ Oct 2 2004, 12:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> population might drop drastically, but people who could breed would be encouraged to have many children. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And why exactly should we try to counteract against a population drop? We live in an overcrowded world that probably relatively soon can't support us anymore. Unless a huge pandemic wipes out over half of us, that is.
And selective breeding is BS, since there are many traits of human beings of which we don't know how much of them is affected by genes and how much by growth environment etc. etc. For example, AFAIK, the risk factor of tendency for getting some psychological disorders (schizophrenia, I think it was, at least?) are genetic, but the risk is greatly increased if something goes wrong in the stages of very early childhood. On the other hand, the risk might go down to minimal, if these things don't go wrong. So where would you draw the line?
Also, don't madness and ingenuity go hand in hand? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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It is the age old argument of Nature Vs Nurture, whether a child’s upbringing or genetic characteristics shape who they are? Most people of course think it is somewhere in the middle, being predisposed to come diseases, or traits such as eye colour due to genetics. While this is undeniably true we sometimes wonder how much of who we are a result of our genetic code, our very beings determined upon inception? Are we merely machines? Our movements, actions or even thoughts simply pre-programmed responses to varying stimuli?
Any rational person will tell you it is utter nonsense; they will stroke your hand and remind you that you make your own decisions, that "you" choose your actions... not this foolish notion of faux-sentience. (But that deserves a topic of its own doesn't it?)
Currently our earth contains some 6.4 billion humans and is expected to grow to 9.6 billion by 2050. Of course, human growth is exponential, if each family is to be expected to have on average 3 children. I consider China's policy of 1 child per family to be quite... well, final considering they have the social structure to enforce it. Effectively halving growth? (I'm not sure on the specific loss of growth)
On to the actual topic now. (oh I bet you've all been waiting for me to say that haven’t you? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
The idea of government controlled breeding would send a chill down anyone’s spine, aside from the person who thought the damned thing up of course. However, society as a whole is a paradoxically fluctuating and utterly random thing, despite its tireless effort to maintain order and rationality. Society always changes, and if you’re not careful to follow it you'll be left in the past, with antiquated ideas such as physical discipline or... racial inequity. society has been known in the past to change violently and rapidly with sudden entire governments changing overnight or in smaller ways such as when policy are put into place that deal with pressing or volatile issues such as allowing abortion to take place, or in some countries allowing or even encouraging GM crops to be used.
Back to society now...
Society, if enough time is taken, or circumstances are met will conform to anything. Take 100 humans; put them on an island in the middle of the ocean, and marvelous things will happen, a Society will form, it may be anything from the rich tapestry of human thought. Those 100 people could form a democracy, or an autocracy, or even an oligarchy of some kind! In 100 years time the world could be a drastically different place, populations could be genetically modified to suit the countries or governments whim. People could wish conformity upon themselves to avoid being outcasts, voluntary genetic conformation, to make their children... "Normal". Do not dismiss my prediction out of hand; 150 years ago people had slaves in even the so called "civilized" countries. 2000 years ago people fought to the death for the amusement and entertainment of others. +10,000 years ago life was a savage struggle simply to... live.
This entire thread hints at a deeper fear that lives within all of us. a fear of being "the other" of being the one chosen not to be allowed to breed, the one told that your child must be taken away from you and destroyed because it is inferior or does not conform to the DGP's (Department of Genetic Protection) ideals.
"Do either you or your spouse have blond hair and blue eyes? Well then I’m sorry, but your not allowed to have a child, we've got standards to live up to m'aam” don’t think it’s so far-fetched. It very well could happen in the not-so-distant future. So keep an eye on your rights as a human being, and beware he who would deprive you of information. For in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Edit :: <i>*for those who dont want to read the whole damn thing, my point is mainly comprised of agreeing with everything else that has been said, and throwing in a lot of fancy words and sentancing to make myself look intelligent*</i>
Selective breeding will only work when ppl stop beleiving in themselves and start beleiving in "the greater good" (and that wont happen in a long, <i>long</i> time if the road continues it path).
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Oct 7 2004, 04:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Oct 7 2004, 04:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok people. We all know there is only two types of people in the world, commie bastards who want nothing more to then to take all the money away from hardworking people and give it to lazy bums... and facist war mongers who want only to cleanse the world of evil, more or less by killing anyone who disagree's with them about anything.
Lets just skip the formalities and get straigt to the point here. Clearly people with the opposing political position to our own should not be allowed to breed.
One day I was walking down the street and I saw this guy giving money to a poor lesbian black crippled metally handicapped human being, and this other guy didn't like him because he was a terrorist, so a I made a joke and everyone laughed at it but in secret they really all hated me. So as you can see some people just should not be allowed to breed, so stop taking this discussion off topic and just accept reality. Voting democrat is like eating an orange, the juice always squirts into your eyes and makes you blind. True story. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> congrats, swiftspear, you actually made me laugh out loud there.
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I find it absolutly halarious that both you're case studies contain absoluty NO evidece as to the decay of the human genetic condition, and the one statement of reasonable evidence given (the decrease of the male cromosome) is simply a two point trend that some scientists picked up equivilent to takeing the temperature outside for two monthes from september to november, and from your findings that the temperature is dropping, hypothosizing that in a few hundred years the global temperature would drop to absolute zero. It is fact that the trend exists, but there is absoluty NO evidence whatsoever that the trend will not shift, it certianly has the time to shift (roughly 100 million years).
Statiscicly human genes are acctually improving. The introduction of foreign genes to new pools is creating more genetic variaty, which in the long run means more genetic resistance to desease and threats. Your examples of media induced brain washing creating small scale stupidity don't speak to the genetic quality of the world whatsoever... In addition I will also point out that lesbians do not breed, and intolerance isn't genetic, it is taught.
rofl.
I was wondering about that too... "people hate me, so they shouldn't be allowed to breed" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And people thought the slippy slope of NS: Classic was steep...
Hey guys, here's something interesting for ya: how's about NO. Selective Breeding is a bad idea because I don't trust anyone enough to allow it. I certainly don't trust you, Mr. Doe, I certainly don't trust Talesin, I certainly don't trust politicians. I don't trust anyone enough to give them that authority.
Selective Breeding is giving government the power of God, controlling people's right to have children. That retard is still a person, even if they are stupid.
Instead of sterilization, why don't we try and figure out why all of the sudden mental retardation is occurring, why there is an increase in femininity among males, and what can be done to prevent these growing trends.
How about, for starters, we stop feeding children soy based milk? Why? Well, Soy milk acts as estrogen in the body. Imagine flooding the young male baby's body with a hormone that acts like the primary female hormone. I can foresee some real negative effects. How about not feeding your child cancer causing processed food day after day. Also, how about getting people to live healthier, drink more water, smoke less crap, etc etc.
We have more oppurtunity to change our bodies for bad or for good in the world of today than ever before. Why don't we take control and keep ourselves healthier and fitter, giving more natural foods and natural milk to children.
And Talesin, the reason I'm voting for Bush is because I can think for myself. Interesting how that works, eh?
Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing.
Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though
And<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the reason I'm voting for Bush is because I can think for myself. Interesting how that works, eh?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please explain how THAT works. His entire campaign has been based on euphamisms, misinformation, and insinuating the united states is under constant attack by foreigners. He managed to take a half-way decent nation, politically speaking, and turn it into a nationalistic cesspool. Seriously, please explain how conforming to the neo-conservative front is "Free thought"
Back on topic, the danger of this topic is that it relies on strict government regulation which is invasive to the privacy of its citizens. Hey, let's just have the government involved even more with our daily lives. That's a real winning idea!
These kind of government programs disgust me to no end. Simply being a human being now has no value if you are mentally retarded.
It is too dangerous of a road to go down. Once you start, you just can't stop, which is why now that abortion is legal, there are certain professors at certain Ivy League schools that are saying parents have the right to decide whether or not their child lives up to 8 days <i>after</i> birth.
People say Bush is a tyrant and fascist until their blue in the face, but when pure Liberals start yelling about Social Engineering through Government Control, everyone gets real quiet. And then keeps on attacking Bush.
Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh.
Actually... I know a homosexual, non-homophobic, non-racist Republican. Yeah, I was shocked too.
I stand with illuminex on this one - I just don't trust anyone to ever have the 'right' judgement when it comes to deciding who gets to breed and who doesn't.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ouch. That's a karmic debt he'll never be able to pay off. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Bad comparison Athena - you guys already both agree on the same thing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ouch, that was a burn, a very good one though <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh.
Actually... I know a homosexual, non-homophobic, non-racist Republican. Yeah, I was shocked too.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL, theres homosexual non-homophobic's? Really? I never knew that.
She was just pointing out that he didn't hate himself for being a homosexual Republican. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lets just skip the formalities and get straigt to the point here. Clearly people with the opposing political position to our own should not be allowed to breed.
One day I was walking down the street and I saw this guy giving money to a poor lesbian black crippled metally handicapped human being, and this other guy didn't like him because he was a terrorist, so a I made a joke and everyone laughed at it but in secret they really all hated me. So as you can see some people just should not be allowed to breed, so stop taking this discussion off topic and just accept reality. Voting democrat is like eating an orange, the juice always squirts into your eyes and makes you blind. True story.
And why exactly should we try to counteract against a population drop? We live in an overcrowded world that probably relatively soon can't support us anymore.
Unless a huge pandemic wipes out over half of us, that is.
And selective breeding is BS, since there are many traits of human beings of which we don't know how much of them is affected by genes and how much by growth environment etc. etc. For example, AFAIK, the risk factor of tendency for getting some psychological disorders (schizophrenia, I think it was, at least?) are genetic, but the risk is greatly increased if something goes wrong in the stages of very early childhood. On the other hand, the risk might go down to minimal, if these things don't go wrong. So where would you draw the line?
Also, don't madness and ingenuity go hand in hand? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Any rational person will tell you it is utter nonsense; they will stroke your hand and remind you that you make your own decisions, that "you" choose your actions... not this foolish notion of faux-sentience. (But that deserves a topic of its own doesn't it?)
Currently our earth contains some 6.4 billion humans and is expected to grow to 9.6 billion by 2050. Of course, human growth is exponential, if each family is to be expected to have on average 3 children. I consider China's policy of 1 child per family to be quite... well, final considering they have the social structure to enforce it. Effectively halving growth? (I'm not sure on the specific loss of growth)
On to the actual topic now. (oh I bet you've all been waiting for me to say that haven’t you? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
The idea of government controlled breeding would send a chill down anyone’s spine, aside from the person who thought the damned thing up of course. However, society as a whole is a paradoxically fluctuating and utterly random thing, despite its tireless effort to maintain order and rationality. Society always changes, and if you’re not careful to follow it you'll be left in the past, with antiquated ideas such as physical discipline or... racial inequity. society has been known in the past to change violently and rapidly with sudden entire governments changing overnight or in smaller ways such as when policy are put into place that deal with pressing or volatile issues such as allowing abortion to take place, or in some countries allowing or even encouraging GM crops to be used.
Back to society now...
Society, if enough time is taken, or circumstances are met will conform to anything. Take 100 humans; put them on an island in the middle of the ocean, and marvelous things will happen, a Society will form, it may be anything from the rich tapestry of human thought. Those 100 people could form a democracy, or an autocracy, or even an oligarchy of some kind! In 100 years time the world could be a drastically different place, populations could be genetically modified to suit the countries or governments whim. People could wish conformity upon themselves to avoid being outcasts, voluntary genetic conformation, to make their children... "Normal". Do not dismiss my prediction out of hand; 150 years ago people had slaves in even the so called "civilized" countries. 2000 years ago people fought to the death for the amusement and entertainment of others. +10,000 years ago life was a savage struggle simply to... live.
This entire thread hints at a deeper fear that lives within all of us. a fear of being "the other" of being the one chosen not to be allowed to breed, the one told that your child must be taken away from you and destroyed because it is inferior or does not conform to the DGP's (Department of Genetic Protection) ideals.
"Do either you or your spouse have blond hair and blue eyes? Well then I’m sorry, but your not allowed to have a child, we've got standards to live up to m'aam” don’t think it’s so far-fetched. It very well could happen in the not-so-distant future. So keep an eye on your rights as a human being, and beware he who would deprive you of information. For in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Edit :: <i>*for those who dont want to read the whole damn thing, my point is mainly comprised of agreeing with everything else that has been said, and throwing in a lot of fancy words and sentancing to make myself look intelligent*</i>
Lets just skip the formalities and get straigt to the point here. Clearly people with the opposing political position to our own should not be allowed to breed.
One day I was walking down the street and I saw this guy giving money to a poor lesbian black crippled metally handicapped human being, and this other guy didn't like him because he was a terrorist, so a I made a joke and everyone laughed at it but in secret they really all hated me. So as you can see some people just should not be allowed to breed, so stop taking this discussion off topic and just accept reality. Voting democrat is like eating an orange, the juice always squirts into your eyes and makes you blind. True story. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
congrats, swiftspear, you actually made me laugh out loud there.