Report: Skulk Bite Skips

Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
in Tech Support
<div class="IPBDescription">When holding down attack</div> I noticed this a couple of times now. If you hold your attack down as skulk you will bite and every random couple of seconds you will stop biting for a couple of seconds. So it will often look like this:
bite
bite
bite
bite
pause
bite
bite
pause
bite
bite
bite
bite
pause
pause
bite
bite

This is a VERY serious bug seeming as when the pauses occur you do not do any damage against your target. However adrenaline is still decreased during the pauses too.
To initiate this bug simply hold down your attack button as skulk and keep holding it down until you notice it pause for a split second.
It does not seem to be affected by ping since this has occured many times to me in both high ping and low ping situations. It is very random so you may need to try it a couple of times before you see it.
Here is a demo: notice every 3-4 seconds the biting pauses and then continues.
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    How many fps do you get on average?
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  • sawcesawce Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10787Members
    I've experienced this, but it was just a display bug. I was still doing damage when my view model was 'skipping' bites (was positive of this since the structure I was attacking was sparking when my bites were skipping).
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  • crazypersoncrazyperson Join Date: 2004-07-28 Member: 30217Members
    ive received something like this, but never during round play, just the waiting period where the skulk can only look around and bite (before the 'cleanse the intruders') perhaps its something along those lines.
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-taboofires+Sep 30 2004, 08:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Sep 30 2004, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How many fps do you get on average? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    anywhere between 75 - 100
    FPS is not the problem, 256 Radeon 9800 XT 4 the win.

    Although, I may have to check about the damage thing, I'll see if it still inflicts damage, but when this occured to me, I was not able to inflict damage on the marine I was directly facing and in front of.
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  • pip1pip1 Join Date: 2004-09-06 Member: 31430Members
    as sawce said, its only a display bug. U still do damage. This bug happens to all aliens but the gorge afaik (I KNOW that it happens to skulk and fade, not sure about onos, I hardly ever go onos).
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  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    i get this problem, but i only notice it while chomping on structures as a little skulklet. it still does damage. this problem has been in existance for a while.
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  • KasperleKasperle Join Date: 2004-09-29 Member: 31990Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-@nthony+Sep 30 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@nthony @ Sep 30 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-taboofires+Sep 30 2004, 08:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Sep 30 2004, 08:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How many fps do you get on average? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    anywhere between 75 - 100
    FPS is not the problem, 256 Radeon 9800 XT 4 the win.

    Although, I may have to check about the damage thing, I'll see if it still inflicts damage, but when this occured to me, I was not able to inflict damage on the marine I was directly facing and in front of. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It depends on the serversettings if you bite "normally" or not.
    The Problem you describe seems to be the problem of the serveradmin.
    Simply test different servers and pay attention on your Attackspeed, I am not sure. We will see <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    Actually, this happens to the gorge also. When you are bile bombing, sometimes the bile bomb won't show up, but it will still do damage.
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    Yep, I just confirmed that it does do damage. But I got to thinking, that even if I still do damage, it is still annoying as hell and really messes up your timing. So all in all, it doesn't matter if its just a animation bug or a coding bug... it needs to be fixed and urgently.
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    Or a config error, whether server or client.
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  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    It does sound like an error that is specific to your client, so Im moving this to the tech support forum.
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  • titaniumtitanium Join Date: 2003-10-31 Member: 22166Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Immacolata+Oct 2 2004, 09:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Immacolata @ Oct 2 2004, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It does sound like an error that is specific to your client, so Im moving this to the tech support forum. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    it's happening to multiple people so you're telling him it's his client?

    good call
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    You mean only one person anywhere has a poorly configured client? I'm impressed.
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  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    I think you might mean that when you are low on adrenaline your client doesn't display your attack animation, which is a known bug. But I might be mistaken.
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    no, this happens with full adrenaline too. And this is NOT a client problem as MY CLIENT config has NOT changed but the server I play on has gone through some changes. So which would you think it is?
    Immaculata this is a bug, whether you choose to sweep it under the rug and igonre it is up to you.
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  • TrayderTrayder Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22127Members, Constellation
    Happens to me but only sometimes, very rarely it will pause to the extent the animation will play at focus speed, other times its not noticeable at all. I thought damage wasn't dealt when it was pausing, but we will see...
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    What the? Why was this moved out of Bug Reports? It *is* a bug and NOT a tech support issue.
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  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I've had a few more reports on this from some of the PT guys, so its going back again to beta bugs. I'd really like to nail down a reproduction method of this. Can it happen if you host your own server?

    Will it happen on both low ping and high ping servers? Does tampering with your fps_max rate chang anything about it?
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  • MaDMaxXMaDMaxX Audiophile (NS sound guy) Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11835Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    Guys, this is lag, period. Its called loss. Use your netgraph when this is happening, see what shows up. cl_netgraph3 i think.
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  • Blue_SniperBlue_Sniper Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14282Members
    er... its not lag or loss ( i dont get any )

    it happens to me as well, ive never worried about it as it does do damage.
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    it is NOT lag seeming as I get a constant 35 ping and my netgraph 3 shows NO packet loss. And even though knowing that it still does damage is a conforting thought, it is still not an acceptable solution to leave as is. REPEAT: I have constant 35 ping 75 FPS and NO packet loss. This is not a lag/client issue. It belongs in the bug reports. It is better to treat it as a bug and discover it is a tech problem than to shove it away in tech support and have it resurface in a future patch because it really is a bug.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    ok, I am severly confused

    the only time I see anything like this (and I have seen it since v1, no not v3b1, just 1.00) is when you are low on adren from constantly bitting your sound/animation will start skiping. (this is what every one seems to be describing, it generaly showes when you are chewing on an RT for like 30 secs)


    does this happen when you have full adren? ever?


    actualy, then again, I have seen one example where my bite simply didn't fire everyso often. It only lasted for one life though...
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  • cookmancookman Join Date: 2003-12-22 Member: 24654Members
    I've experienced this too. Though I still do damage in the animation pauses.

    I have approximately an average ping/fps of 40/95
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  • MjolnirMjolnir Join Date: 2003-03-25 Member: 14882Members
    edited October 2004
    Yeah i get it too sometimes. The sound still plays, you still do damage and the adrenaline still decreases... it's just the animation that doesn't show. It only happens to me when i keep biting for a long period of time. However, it doesn't bother me at all.... but if someone has the time and the knowledge to hunt this bug down, then ...

    I have no issues with cl_rate, updaterate, cmdrate, loss, choke, ping, whatever...
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  • Renegade.Renegade. Join Date: 2003-01-15 Member: 12313Members, Constellation
    yes, this bug can happen at any amount of adren and usually is more prone to happen the longer you hold down bite. Along with everyone above I too also have a constant 35 ping and 75-90 FPS. If so many people have the same thing occuring to them it must be a bug and in any case needs to be dealt with other than in technical support. Technical support is for people who have personal specific issues that can be fixed without altering game source code. I am *positive* this bug will not go away unless it is fixed at it's source: the source code.
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  • Blue_SniperBlue_Sniper Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14282Members
    by the way, ive seen it on the shotgun too. no other gun. just the shot gun and bitegun.
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  • viperviper Join Date: 2004-03-18 Member: 27402Members
    ive also had this, mainly when i switch from leap to bite, or vice versa.

    i can leap as a skulk, lastinv to bite and kill someone but wont see the bite animation. with bite to leap, its a different story... my skulk will use the leap adren, but the bite animation will play and i dont leap.

    this only happens when i use lastinv in tight situations where i need to switch quickly, and i put it down to lag.
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