Why are we comparing vietnam to iraq? They are two completely different wars. They situations surrounding them both are different, and the way we fight wars are different. Iraq isn't anymore Vietnam than it is WW2.
Yes the death toll in Iraq is higher after a year than vietnam after a year. If you are so simple as to look at numbers than you can say Iraq is worse than vietnam. If, however, you decide to look at the situations with an ounce of intelligence than you can see the difference. Most of our losses have occured during the rebuilding phases, not the invasion phase. Vietnam never left the invasion phase. Im sure if Nam would had made it to the rebuilding phase that the death toll would have increased.
The only similarity I see is the media jumping all over the bad events in the war, trying to make it seem unjust and booste their ratings. When the military cannot fire bomb a church containing militants firing on our troops because the media across the world will paint them out **** barbarians (and not the militants using a holy place as a bunker) and cause more resistance, than its a problem.
For you asshats who keep saying that Saddam Hussein is not a terrorist, or connected at all.
WHAT THE HELL IS IT WHEN HE KILLS HIS OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN!? That is terrorism, even if it isn't on our soil, and so what if he hates Islamic extremists? He doesnt need them to terrorize Iraq when he can do it all on his own.
Now, to help elaborate on why President Bush probably invaded Iraq, I will quite the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, again.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is not true that the United States feels any land hunger or entertains any projects as regards the other nations of the Western Hemisphere save such as are for their welfare. All that this country desires is to see the neighboring countries stable, orderly, and prosperous. Any country whose people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it need fear no interference from the United States. <b>Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*edit* I also have twice the respect I have ever had for Bush at this point. After seeing him last night, talking about how a leader should not let world opinion and politics drive him, but core values and true feelings on a matter (and a true desire to lead his people down the RIGHT path, not the POPULAR path) really made me happy to know that Bush has been our leader for the last four years. And hopefully for another four.
Yes, there are more casualties in Iraq because we are rebuilding. Yes, American soldiers are dying because we are there. Is this number really substantial? Lets compare 1000 casualties to the several million that die from car wrecks every year. Why don't we start making anti bush campaigns about the car wrecks that happen?
The point being that Saddam had a long history of lying, deceiving, being uncooperative, and generally being a pain in the neck for anyone wanting to prove that he was free of nuclear weapons. So if a police officer asks to search a guy, and the guy tugs away and starts pulling something from his trench coat, that police officer is trained to assume he's armed and fire if necessary. It was the same thing in this case. Iraq showed no evidence of being free and clear of nuclear weapons, and that's not the sort of thing you wait out on and find out.
I believe Kerry would have sent 25 parties before he'd admit Saddam Hussein didn't want to cooperate, and by then, he might have blown up entire cities. I think it is a bad judgement call. Plain and simple.
*EDIT* It's easy to look back and say what should have done, but what would John Kerry have done if Hussein did have nuclear weapons? I think I prefer Bush's way better. */EDIT*
Reading through this thread, i've also decided that the "Hate Bush" trend has developed simply because of a few things:
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid. -Bush has balls. -Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy. -He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land. -He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it. -He is the spitting image of a hippie.
Let me give you my opinion on the razor that any president between the years of 2001-2004 would have had to face:
The intelligence pointed to Saddam having weapons. This could have been ignored, delayed, etc. BUT, if Saddam TRUELY was the imminent threat that he was thought to be, and something happened, then there was MORE than enough memos, intelligence info, etc. to point to the fact that "the president was warned of Saddam and did nothing."
On the other hand, if you take all that intelligence and act on it, and it turned out to be not true (which it pretty much didn't) then there is ALSO enough evidence to lead to the conclusion that the president acted too rashly.
It's really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
This way, it was a "better safe than sorry" measure that also resulted in a universal good (removing a brutal dictator.)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->BTW, an average of 75% Kerry on both polls can hardly be discredible. Forlorn, kindly shut your ignorant trap until you're better educated, please.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Educate yourself:
Wizard@PSU:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gallup did a poll of 'undecided voters' after the debate.
10% have a more favorable view of Kerry 12 % have a more favorable view of Bush.
Pretty much says to me:
The debate was boring as hell and really didn't highlight anything new.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reading through this thread, i've also decided that the "Hate Bush" trend has developed simply because of a few things:
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid. -Bush has balls. -Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy. -He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land. -He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it. -He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Personally I dislike Bush because he tries to hide his invasive conservative laws and beliefs behind American patriotism. I mean, what in the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with being a patriot? If you think about it, isn't the Patriot Act a direct slap on the face to what most of the original "patriots" wanted? He's trying to hide his laws (which I think most average Americans would dislike if they actually knew about them) behind pretty names that he thinks (and knows) the majority of the American public would like, and what's the best term for this practice? Propaganda.
Kerry isn't much better though, he's a Liberal pushover that tries to please too many people, and all at one time. We don't need weak leaders (which is what I imagine Kerry to be) in office, nor do we need overly powerful propagandists who pretend to stand up for the rights of Americans while grabbing them away behind our backs, claiming that these new right-breaking laws will "keep us even more free". (from what? terrorists don't want to invade the U.S.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reading through this thread, i've also decided that the "Hate Bush" trend has developed simply because of a few things:
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid. -Bush has balls. -Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy. -He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land. -He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it. -He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Mind blowing discussion skills really.
Stop seeing the world in black and white then we might talk again.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Oct 1 2004, 02:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Oct 1 2004, 02:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Heh... failed to make the connection... between Saddam and Terrorism.
Pardon me while I have a chuckling fit... *hehehe*
Uhem... yeah, what? No, because everyone knows Saddam is the Ice Cream man, free twinkies and sugarplums with chocolate frogs and easter bunnies.
Two points here:
1. Everyone knows that Saddam and Terrorism are almost the same thing. Saddam being a terrorist is irrefutable.
2. Since everyone knows this, why would Bush waste time explaining it?
Please, back this statement up, man.
~ DarkATi<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You. Are. Not. Everyone. To assume that everyone agrees with you is ridiculous. And why should I have to back up my argument when yours consists of a numerical list and two sentences? If you'd take more than 10 seconds writing up a post, I might consider actually putting up the effort to refute it.
Also, thank you moultano, for clarifying what I was trying to say.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 05:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats what it boils down to, and you know it. NOBODY has ANY good reasons for hating Bush, 'cept for the war on Iraq, and the fact that he's Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are not demonstrating the maturity necessary to take part in serious discussion.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 05:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats what it boils down to, and you know it. NOBODY has ANY good reasons for hating Bush, 'cept for the war on Iraq, and the fact that he's Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What about not dealing with the Economy and outsourcing?
What about spending all of our surplus money! THE BILLIONS OF IT!
What about Medicare/Medicaid?
What about Social Sec.? I woun't get anything, because of him not dealing with it.
What about Internal Distress about how things are run?
What about getting rid of 'big govnerment' and giving STATES A F***ING CHOICE.
What about letting large companies and conglomerates get away with worse than murder, they can get away from STEALING your future.
What about letting contracts going to companies with EASY connections with the administartion?
Why did Bush let the FBI, CIA, and NSA get away with giving bad info and then not saying they did bad, but saying they DID GOOD!
What about Bush forever **** off ALLIES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US SINCE OUR NATIONS BIRTH.
What about the U.N.? Not quick enough for a trigger-itchy Texan?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You are not demonstrating the maturity necessary to take part in serious discussion. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, good to see that my maturity level isnt high enough. Now go play in traffic.
As for this debate crap, Bush won plain and simple. Kerry rambled on about his plan, which, mind you, fits on half a sheet of standard printer paper. John Kerry is a moron, plain and simple. Now, while Bush might not always sound that Intelligent, the man has got a great plan for our country, as well as the world...even if they don't like it. He wants to see terrorism removed from the world, in all forms. Iraq, Afganistan, North Korea, Iran...everything that either is a threat or could possibly become one.
If Bush does remain in office, those goals will be carried out by any means necessary. Through non-violent discussion, or war if necessary. Just like the invasion of Iraq was necessary. Yeah, Bush went to the U.N, he had the inspectors do their thing, and Saddam insisted in acting guilty (by delaying U.N inspectors, etc. which screams to the world "I'VE GOT NUKES") so, Bush went to the next step. Disarm, or die. Saddam made the choices that led to us invading Iraq.
And now the world hates us for it. Like someone said before, this was pretty much a lose-lose situation for President Bush. If he didn't act on the information and intelligence he had at the time, and Saddam did end up having WMD's, the world would blame Bush for not doing anything. And on the other hand we've got the current situation.
Also, I feel so negatively about what Kerry has planned for us, if he does become President, because he is so undecided on everything. At one point, the war was fine and great, at another he was opposed. When in this mans eyes is the right time to take action? Who knows.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why did Bush let the FBI, CIA, and NSA get away with giving bad info and then not saying they did bad, but saying they DID GOOD!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm pretty sure the information seemed good at the time it was given, and everyone makes mistakes. Even if President Bush did invade on information that wasn't true...don't tell me he didn't do the world a favor by taking down Saddam Hussein.
Also, Europe was opposed to Saddam Hussein being taken out of power (aka our invasion) because they could still make money off of that dirtbag.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 2 2004, 12:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 2 2004, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats what it boils down to, and you know it. NOBODY has ANY good reasons for hating Bush, 'cept for the war on Iraq, and the fact that he's Bush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It helps ignoring every other's point
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reading through this thread, i've also decided that the "Hate Bush" trend has developed simply because of a few things:
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid. -Bush has balls. -Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy. -He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land. -He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it. -He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Whoa! I'm actually surprised that you're still around here. You know, in the "You haven't been banned yet?" sense.
"Worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage?" You are aware that Bush has reversed or altered his stance on pretty much every position he's taken since the 2000 election. It takes more than "balls and action" to run a first-world nation, let alone the lone superpower in the world. Unless you buy into the idea that Bush is going to "terminate" the "economic girlie-men" soundbites. I don't know why you've been unable to produce even one basic argument.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats what it boils down to, and you know it. NOBODY has ANY good reasons for hating Bush, 'cept for the war on Iraq, and the fact that he's Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, here's a few.
1.) Massive deficit spending on things that are going to have no payout down the road is absurd. His fiscal policies make me cringe and none of the projections for economic recovery he's put out consider the fact that the baby boomers are going to start retiring in five years, which is probably going to sink medicare and social security.
2.) The Patriot Act. The feds don't need to know what books I've checked out of the library. I happen to be a big fan of the Fourth Amendment and I don't like the fact that government powers have been expanded to the point of absurdity. Ramrodding that piece of rubbish through Congress while the nation is in shock isn't cool in my book.
3.) He's a big government fan. Bush has presided over one of the biggest government expansions in the past 50 years. The fun part is, he cut taxes, so there's no way to fund it. I like my government <i>and</i> my taxes small. Not one or the other.
4.) Iraq. Don't dismiss this. It's costing us hundreds of billions and military recruitment is way down, stretching our forces. Then there's the evershifting reasons for invading.
5.) Most social issues. He's pro-AWB, the No Child Left Behind Act, the PBA ban (which has since been ruled unconsitutional by several judges), his medicare plan which was a big payout to the pharmaceutical companies.
6.) Ashcroft. By Allen Ginsberg's beard, I hate that man.
<!--QuoteBegin-The Finch+Oct 1 2004, 06:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Finch @ Oct 1 2004, 06:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Whoa! I'm actually surprised that you're still around here. You know, in the "You haven't been banned yet?" sense. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't know I could be banned because of my view on political issues.
Now, on to my actual post. Sure, Bush has his faults...such as supporting things that I completely disagree with. But I feel that the United States will be much better off without someone like John Kerry in the oval office. He just seems to be too much of a tree hugger for my taste. Also, a lot of my views about him are not so much from his recent activities (some are), but the way he acted back during the Vietnam era, but that isn't for this discussion I don't think.
What really bothers me, is this GREAT plan he has for us, includes some pretty retarded things that have already been done in history, if not recently. Also, it (The national security portion, which seems to be a pretty big deal) fits on a half page of paper. That doesn't seem like he is thinking about it too much, he just wants something he can show to the masses.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Isn't the U.S Military the most modernized there is in the world? What more can he do, other than give the U.S Troops magic and pixie dust.
I think it's fair to say you violated every forum discussion rule , so while some people like Finch may have the patience to explain why you're wrong before you're restricted , most of us are too bored of you to bother arguing , sorry.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right. 2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side. 3.: Try to stay rational. 4.: Do not expect ego strokes. 5.: Respect other peoples newssources. 6.: Read through the other posts. 7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right. 2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side. 3.: Try to stay rational. 4.: Do not expect ego strokes. 5.: Respect other peoples newssources. 6.: Read through the other posts. 7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose).
<!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Oct 1 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Oct 1 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right. 2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side. 3.: Try to stay rational. 4.: Do not expect ego strokes. 5.: Respect other peoples newssources. 6.: Read through the other posts. 7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, buddy...that makes him more popular than I am. I'm certain i've got much higher moral upholding in my life, and I plan to enlist in the Marines as soon as I can. To serve my country, and I won't be a chickenshit about it either. It wont be to dodge war like Bush, and I won't whine and complain about a scratch during wartime to get myself a purple heart.
I am not a coward, I am not a liar, I am not a politician. This makes me a better person than Kerry, Bush...or almost any other political figure you choose. Except for Theodore Roosevelt. But, as I said before...I will never be as popular as Kerry.
Oh yeah, by you making that personal attack on me...proves I didn't break any of the forum rules. You didn't have anything better to say.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 06:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Oct 1 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Oct 1 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right. 2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side. 3.: Try to stay rational. 4.: Do not expect ego strokes. 5.: Respect other peoples newssources. 6.: Read through the other posts. 7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, buddy...that makes him more popular than I am. I'm certain i've got much higher moral upholding in my life, and I plan to enlist in the Marines.
I am not a coward, I am not a liar, I am not a politician. This makes me a better person than Kerry, Bush...or almost any other political figure you choose. Except for Theodore Roosevelt. But, as I said before...I will never be as popular as Kerry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, going into the Service, big man! Beyond that, like YOU'RE the only one to ever join a military (Lets just ignore the billions who've died in war, but they don't count obviously <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
Lets face the facts, you can't do better in life than join this military? Failure...
Either you're being funny or purposely ignorant. It's humorous either way.
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side. CONSERVATIVE TRANSLATION: Bush's first law of politics: Stereotype your opponents, and you win by default. Don't follow it.
3.: Try to stay rational. CONSERVATIVE TRANSLATION: Saying THERE IS NO CREDIBLE ARGUMENT AGAINST MY ARGUMENT is not not not not not rational.
edit: wow, way to degrade an already derailed thread into a personal war.
Actually, i'll most likely be attending the United States Naval Academy, then join up as a Marine Aviator. And I can not honestly think of a more fulfulling job than serving my country. Maybe I was just born a patriot.
*edit* Sorry for aiding in launching this thread into the off-topic zone, so...could we try to get back on topic?
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Oct 1 2004, 08:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Oct 1 2004, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Reading through this thread, i've also decided that the "Hate Bush" trend has developed simply because of a few things:
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid. -Bush has balls. -Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy. -He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land. -He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it. -He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I totally agree. I mean, people are just jealous of Bush because:
--He's totally the most awesomest guy ever, and he's really rad, and if you don't like him you're a Communist. --I heard he can bench press three times his own weight! --This one time, he punched out a bunch of Al Queda terrorists that were trying to hijack a bus full of school kids. <i>Crippled</i> school kids. With <b>puppies</b>.
Meanwhile, Kerry:
--Is <i>totally</i> from France. Or Germania. <i>One</i> of those. --He'll put Osama Bin Laden in his cabinet, like, as Secretary of Kicking Red Blooded Americans' ****. --He totally went to Arlington cemetary and planted a steamer on all the dead veterans' graves, while reading 'The Daily Worker'.
Really, I'm sorry, but the analysis on this post makes Sean Hannity look like a well researched, subtle moderate.
The off topic forum might be more your speed . . .
Not necessarily-- remember, more than 50% of this country wants a change in direction/leadership (which is a different question than voting Bush/Kerry, because those that want a change might not make a knee-jerk vote in that direction).
Like Reagan in his first run, all Kerry has to do is convince the voting population that he's competent. Incumbents running with Bush's numbers are hardly invincible (actually, they're usually in trouble). When was the last time you saw a sitting administration go this negative, this often, this early? There's a reason they have to run <i>against</i> Kerry, rather than <i>on</i> his accomplishments.
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Oct 1 2004, 08:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Oct 1 2004, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Seriously though, Bush is going to win, I don't think the debate had as big an effect as Kerry was hoping for.
I'm only in this to hear the anguish filled screams of a million liberals come Nov. 3rd....oh yes...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Let me start now.
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Yes the death toll in Iraq is higher after a year than vietnam after a year. If you are so simple as to look at numbers than you can say Iraq is worse than vietnam. If, however, you decide to look at the situations with an ounce of intelligence than you can see the difference. Most of our losses have occured during the rebuilding phases, not the invasion phase. Vietnam never left the invasion phase. Im sure if Nam would had made it to the rebuilding phase that the death toll would have increased.
The only similarity I see is the media jumping all over the bad events in the war, trying to make it seem unjust and booste their ratings. When the military cannot fire bomb a church containing militants firing on our troops because the media across the world will paint them out **** barbarians
(and not the militants using a holy place as a bunker) and cause more resistance, than its a problem.
WHAT THE HELL IS IT WHEN HE KILLS HIS OWN PEOPLE FOR FUN!? That is terrorism, even if it isn't on our soil, and so what if he hates Islamic extremists? He doesnt need them to terrorize Iraq when he can do it all on his own.
Now, to help elaborate on why President Bush probably invaded Iraq, I will quite the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine, again.
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It is not true that the United States feels any land hunger or entertains any projects as regards the other nations of the Western Hemisphere save such as are for their welfare. All that this country desires is to see the neighboring countries stable, orderly, and prosperous. Any country whose people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it need fear no interference from the United States. <b>Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power.</b>
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*edit* I also have twice the respect I have ever had for Bush at this point. After seeing him last night, talking about how a leader should not let world opinion and politics drive him, but core values and true feelings on a matter (and a true desire to lead his people down the RIGHT path, not the POPULAR path) really made me happy to know that Bush has been our leader for the last four years. And hopefully for another four.
The point being that Saddam had a long history of lying, deceiving, being uncooperative, and generally being a pain in the neck for anyone wanting to prove that he was free of nuclear weapons. So if a police officer asks to search a guy, and the guy tugs away and starts pulling something from his trench coat, that police officer is trained to assume he's armed and fire if necessary. It was the same thing in this case. Iraq showed no evidence of being free and clear of nuclear weapons, and that's not the sort of thing you wait out on and find out.
I believe Kerry would have sent 25 parties before he'd admit Saddam Hussein didn't want to cooperate, and by then, he might have blown up entire cities. I think it is a bad judgement call. Plain and simple.
*EDIT* It's easy to look back and say what should have done, but what would John Kerry have done if Hussein did have nuclear weapons? I think I prefer Bush's way better. */EDIT*
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid.
-Bush has balls.
-Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy.
-He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land.
-He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it.
-He is the spitting image of a hippie.
The intelligence pointed to Saddam having weapons. This could have been ignored, delayed, etc. BUT, if Saddam TRUELY was the imminent threat that he was thought to be, and something happened, then there was MORE than enough memos, intelligence info, etc. to point to the fact that "the president was warned of Saddam and did nothing."
On the other hand, if you take all that intelligence and act on it, and it turned out to be not true (which it pretty much didn't) then there is ALSO enough evidence to lead to the conclusion that the president acted too rashly.
It's really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
This way, it was a "better safe than sorry" measure that also resulted in a universal good (removing a brutal dictator.)
Educate yourself:
Wizard@PSU:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gallup did a poll of 'undecided voters' after the debate.
10% have a more favorable view of Kerry
12 % have a more favorable view of Bush.
Pretty much says to me:
The debate was boring as hell and really didn't highlight anything new.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid.
-Bush has balls.
-Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy.
-He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land.
-He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it.
-He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally I dislike Bush because he tries to hide his invasive conservative laws and beliefs behind American patriotism. I mean, what in the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with being a patriot? If you think about it, isn't the Patriot Act a direct slap on the face to what most of the original "patriots" wanted? He's trying to hide his laws (which I think most average Americans would dislike if they actually knew about them) behind pretty names that he thinks (and knows) the majority of the American public would like, and what's the best term for this practice? Propaganda.
Kerry isn't much better though, he's a Liberal pushover that tries to please too many people, and all at one time. We don't need weak leaders (which is what I imagine Kerry to be) in office, nor do we need overly powerful propagandists who pretend to stand up for the rights of Americans while grabbing them away behind our backs, claiming that these new right-breaking laws will "keep us even more free". (from what? terrorists don't want to invade the U.S.)
Vote Independent.
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid.
-Bush has balls.
-Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy.
-He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land.
-He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it.
-He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mind blowing discussion skills really.
Stop seeing the world in black and white then we might talk again.
Pardon me while I have a chuckling fit... *hehehe*
Uhem... yeah, what? No, because everyone knows Saddam is the Ice Cream man, free twinkies and sugarplums with chocolate frogs and easter bunnies.
Two points here:
1. Everyone knows that Saddam and Terrorism are almost the same thing. Saddam being a terrorist is irrefutable.
2. Since everyone knows this, why would Bush waste time explaining it?
Please, back this statement up, man.
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You. Are. Not. Everyone. To assume that everyone agrees with you is ridiculous. And why should I have to back up my argument when yours consists of a numerical list and two sentences? If you'd take more than 10 seconds writing up a post, I might consider actually putting up the effort to refute it.
Also, thank you moultano, for clarifying what I was trying to say.
You are not demonstrating the maturity necessary to take part in serious discussion.
What about not dealing with the Economy and outsourcing?
What about spending all of our surplus money! THE BILLIONS OF IT!
What about Medicare/Medicaid?
What about Social Sec.? I woun't get anything, because of him not dealing with it.
What about Internal Distress about how things are run?
What about getting rid of 'big govnerment' and giving STATES A F***ING CHOICE.
What about letting large companies and conglomerates get away with worse than murder, they can get away from STEALING your future.
What about letting contracts going to companies with EASY connections with the administartion?
Why did Bush let the FBI, CIA, and NSA get away with giving bad info and then not saying they did bad, but saying they DID GOOD!
What about Bush forever **** off ALLIES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US SINCE OUR NATIONS BIRTH.
What about the U.N.? Not quick enough for a trigger-itchy Texan?
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Yeah, good to see that my maturity level isnt high enough. Now go play in traffic.
As for this debate crap, Bush won plain and simple. Kerry rambled on about his plan, which, mind you, fits on half a sheet of standard printer paper. John Kerry is a moron, plain and simple. Now, while Bush might not always sound that Intelligent, the man has got a great plan for our country, as well as the world...even if they don't like it. He wants to see terrorism removed from the world, in all forms. Iraq, Afganistan, North Korea, Iran...everything that either is a threat or could possibly become one.
If Bush does remain in office, those goals will be carried out by any means necessary. Through non-violent discussion, or war if necessary. Just like the invasion of Iraq was necessary. Yeah, Bush went to the U.N, he had the inspectors do their thing, and Saddam insisted in acting guilty (by delaying U.N inspectors, etc. which screams to the world "I'VE GOT NUKES") so, Bush went to the next step. Disarm, or die. Saddam made the choices that led to us invading Iraq.
And now the world hates us for it. Like someone said before, this was pretty much a lose-lose situation for President Bush. If he didn't act on the information and intelligence he had at the time, and Saddam did end up having WMD's, the world would blame Bush for not doing anything. And on the other hand we've got the current situation.
Also, I feel so negatively about what Kerry has planned for us, if he does become President, because he is so undecided on everything. At one point, the war was fine and great, at another he was opposed. When in this mans eyes is the right time to take action? Who knows.
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I'm pretty sure the information seemed good at the time it was given, and everyone makes mistakes. Even if President Bush did invade on information that wasn't true...don't tell me he didn't do the world a favor by taking down Saddam Hussein.
Also, Europe was opposed to Saddam Hussein being taken out of power (aka our invasion) because they could still make money off of that dirtbag.
*edit* Spelling.
It helps ignoring every other's point
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid.
-Bush has balls.
-Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy.
-He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land.
-He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it.
-He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whoa! I'm actually surprised that you're still around here. You know, in the "You haven't been banned yet?" sense.
"Worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage?" You are aware that Bush has reversed or altered his stance on pretty much every position he's taken since the 2000 election. It takes more than "balls and action" to run a first-world nation, let alone the lone superpower in the world. Unless you buy into the idea that Bush is going to "terminate" the "economic girlie-men" soundbites. I don't know why you've been unable to produce even one basic argument.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats what it boils down to, and you know it. NOBODY has ANY good reasons for hating Bush, 'cept for the war on Iraq, and the fact that he's Bush.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, here's a few.
1.) Massive deficit spending on things that are going to have no payout down the road is absurd. His fiscal policies make me cringe and none of the projections for economic recovery he's put out consider the fact that the baby boomers are going to start retiring in five years, which is probably going to sink medicare and social security.
2.) The Patriot Act. The feds don't need to know what books I've checked out of the library. I happen to be a big fan of the Fourth Amendment and I don't like the fact that government powers have been expanded to the point of absurdity. Ramrodding that piece of rubbish through Congress while the nation is in shock isn't cool in my book.
3.) He's a big government fan. Bush has presided over one of the biggest government expansions in the past 50 years. The fun part is, he cut taxes, so there's no way to fund it. I like my government <i>and</i> my taxes small. Not one or the other.
4.) Iraq. Don't dismiss this. It's costing us hundreds of billions and military recruitment is way down, stretching our forces. Then there's the evershifting reasons for invading.
5.) Most social issues. He's pro-AWB, the No Child Left Behind Act, the PBA ban (which has since been ruled unconsitutional by several judges), his medicare plan which was a big payout to the pharmaceutical companies.
6.) Ashcroft. By Allen Ginsberg's beard, I hate that man.
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I didn't know I could be banned because of my view on political issues.
Now, on to my actual post. Sure, Bush has his faults...such as supporting things that I completely disagree with. But I feel that the United States will be much better off without someone like John Kerry in the oval office. He just seems to be too much of a tree hugger for my taste. Also, a lot of my views about him are not so much from his recent activities (some are), but the way he acted back during the Vietnam era, but that isn't for this discussion I don't think.
What really bothers me, is this GREAT plan he has for us, includes some pretty retarded things that have already been done in history, if not recently. Also, it (The national security portion, which seems to be a pretty big deal) fits on a half page of paper. That doesn't seem like he is thinking about it too much, he just wants something he can show to the masses.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Modernize The World's Most Powerful Military To Meet New Threats<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Isn't the U.S Military the most modernized there is in the world? What more can he do, other than give the U.S Troops magic and pixie dust.
1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right.
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side.
3.: Try to stay rational.
4.: Do not expect ego strokes.
5.: Respect other peoples newssources.
6.: Read through the other posts.
7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments.
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So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules.
1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right.
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side.
3.: Try to stay rational.
4.: Do not expect ego strokes.
5.: Respect other peoples newssources.
6.: Read through the other posts.
7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments.
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So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose).
1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right.
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side.
3.: Try to stay rational.
4.: Do not expect ego strokes.
5.: Respect other peoples newssources.
6.: Read through the other posts.
7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments.
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So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, buddy...that makes him more popular than I am. I'm certain i've got much higher moral upholding in my life, and I plan to enlist in the Marines as soon as I can. To serve my country, and I won't be a chickenshit about it either. It wont be to dodge war like Bush, and I won't whine and complain about a scratch during wartime to get myself a purple heart.
I am not a coward, I am not a liar, I am not a politician. This makes me a better person than Kerry, Bush...or almost any other political figure you choose. Except for Theodore Roosevelt. But, as I said before...I will never be as popular as Kerry.
Oh yeah, by you making that personal attack on me...proves I didn't break any of the forum rules. You didn't have anything better to say.
1.: Always consider the possibilty that you are wrong and the other side is right.
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side.
3.: Try to stay rational.
4.: Do not expect ego strokes.
5.: Respect other peoples newssources.
6.: Read through the other posts.
7.: The one piece of 'censorship': No racist or otherwise hate-based comments.
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So, which ones did I break?
I made a crack about John Kerry being worthless. Woohoo. Not like I killed someone, or actually broke one of those rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
John Kerry is more of a man than you'll ever be! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, he could be the President of the United States come January. That alone makes John Kerry > you (at any point in your life you choose). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, buddy...that makes him more popular than I am. I'm certain i've got much higher moral upholding in my life, and I plan to enlist in the Marines.
I am not a coward, I am not a liar, I am not a politician. This makes me a better person than Kerry, Bush...or almost any other political figure you choose. Except for Theodore Roosevelt. But, as I said before...I will never be as popular as Kerry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow, going into the Service, big man! Beyond that, like YOU'RE the only one to ever join a military (Lets just ignore the billions who've died in war, but they don't count obviously <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ).
Lets face the facts, you can't do better in life than join this military? Failure...
2.: Never, ever, be judgemental towards the other side.
CONSERVATIVE TRANSLATION: Bush's first law of politics: Stereotype your opponents, and you win by default. Don't follow it.
3.: Try to stay rational.
CONSERVATIVE TRANSLATION: Saying THERE IS NO CREDIBLE ARGUMENT AGAINST MY ARGUMENT is not not not not not rational.
edit:
wow, way to degrade an already derailed thread into a personal war.
*edit* Sorry for aiding in launching this thread into the off-topic zone, so...could we try to get back on topic?
-Bush is a Texan, which makes him come off as stupid.
-Bush has balls.
-Bush is a man of action when necessary.
You democrats like Kerry because:
-He is a peace, love, and butterflies kind of guy.
-He probably wouldnt go to war if the enemy was invading our land.
-He is a worthless, self-contradicting piece of garbage, and you love it.
-He is the spitting image of a hippie. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I totally agree. I mean, people are just jealous of Bush because:
--He's totally the most awesomest guy ever, and he's really rad, and if you don't like him you're a Communist.
--I heard he can bench press three times his own weight!
--This one time, he punched out a bunch of Al Queda terrorists that were trying to hijack a bus full of school kids. <i>Crippled</i> school kids. With <b>puppies</b>.
Meanwhile, Kerry:
--Is <i>totally</i> from France. Or Germania. <i>One</i> of those.
--He'll put Osama Bin Laden in his cabinet, like, as Secretary of Kicking Red Blooded Americans' ****.
--He totally went to Arlington cemetary and planted a steamer on all the dead veterans' graves, while reading 'The Daily Worker'.
Really, I'm sorry, but the analysis on this post makes Sean Hannity look like a well researched, subtle moderate.
The off topic forum might be more your speed . . .
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I'm only in this to hear the anguish filled screams of a million liberals come Nov. 3rd....oh yes...
Like Reagan in his first run, all Kerry has to do is convince the voting population that he's competent. Incumbents running with Bush's numbers are hardly invincible (actually, they're usually in trouble). When was the last time you saw a sitting administration go this negative, this often, this early? There's a reason they have to run <i>against</i> Kerry, rather than <i>on</i> his accomplishments.
I'm only in this to hear the anguish filled screams of a million liberals come Nov. 3rd....oh yes...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Let me start now.
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...yeah.