Is It Still Possible To Script?

keelem · September 2004

What I just realized and I think is really sad, is that now people will join scripting servers, and see a large skill increase. They will assume this is because scripting is enabled, and not because most good players will stay away from non-scripting servers <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Scripting won't dramaticly improve your skill level. If you suck, you will still suck with scripts.

SinSpawn · September 2004

Just to add I think they blocked it for you to do something like type +right in the console, just doesn't work <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

BlueNovember · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (k33l3m @ Sep 28 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What I just realized and I think is really sad, is that now people will join scripting servers, and see a large skill increase.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
...suggesting scripting gives you skills.

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They will assume this is because scripting is enabled, and not because most good players will stay away from non-scripting servers <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />
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Why would good players do that? I really doubt scripting servers will be full of people who script. :\

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Scripting won't dramaticly improve your skill level. If you suck, you will still suck with scripts.
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Doesn't that totally contradict what you first said?

Anyway, I agree with your "second" point; scriping gives little or no advantage. The arguements for that point are for another thread though.
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Smeg. +duck won't work in console? How am I meant to go AFK in safety now? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Keyser · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Sep 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (k33l3m @ Sep 28 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What I just realized and I think is really sad, is that now people will join scripting servers, and see a large skill increase. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
...suggesting scripting gives you skills.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Suggesting uneducated players play on blockscript servers.

comrade · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlueNovember @ Sep 28 2004, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Smeg. +duck won't work in console? How am I meant to go AFK in safety now? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
A script both calling for +duck and -duck would be stopped. If they stopped you typing any +commands then you couldn't actually do anything...?

IBT · September 2004

scripting is like having a maid, after 1/2 year, you become attached, and cannot do anything without her.
but i must dissagree with you blue, if somebody cannot bunnyhop, yet they get a bunnyhop script, wouldent that increase there ability to survive? thus giving little advantage?

jumpingjoda · September 2004

I tryed to teach bunnyhopping to several people, none of them improved by just using the 3jumps script. Some actually wanted to learn it by just using the mwheel and they needed the same amount of time to learn it that way.

Kenichi-SNK · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is It Still Possible To Script? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.

I quote myself from another topic
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Handgun Script: Was never included with the game, if other people cant shoot all handgun bullets in less than half a second then neither should you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Firestorm2 · September 2004

...

this **** combined with racism makes me wonder about humanity sometimes

ShadowSlay · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Lmao thats funny.

Kenichi a "handgun" script wont let you pass the RoF. So everyone CAN fire that fast, they just need to click the mouse button fast (Oh noes, my finger is H4X). Anyone can make it fire at max speed without a script, the script just helps to NOT KILL YOUR FINGER.

KenHidaka · September 2004

I can fire the pistol just as fast as I can with the pistol script. This just allows me to aim better with it. Scripts don't mean you hack. Lets not all be up tight about legit ways of playing. It just fixes handicaps. Omigawd, anything but that :/

Fin · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is It Still Possible To Script? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.

I quote myself from another topic
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Handgun Script: Was never included with the game, if other people cant shoot all handgun bullets in less than half a second then neither should you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
............

Damn Hackers

DuoGodOfDeath · September 2004

Only thing a script has helped me do was time my jumps. Nothing more nothing less.

Swift_Idiot · September 2004

Kenichi is pr0-tr0ll++ #1

TOmekki · September 2004

if hes a troll hes a damn good one. if hes not i feel sad for him <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

KaMiKaZe1 · September 2004

Kenichi-SNK, you've said before that bunny-hopping is hacking. Are you honestly expecting people to get banned for it? Record all the demos you want, unless it is an actual hack nobody will be punished.

pinkeye · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is It Still Possible To Script? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.

I quote myself from another topic
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Handgun Script: Was never included with the game, if other people cant shoot all handgun bullets in less than half a second then neither should you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
oh my :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Kenichi-SNK · September 2004

Hacks or Scripts i really dont give a poo. Its still unfair on others u cheating losers <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> . Face us without your scriptive ways and youd lose.

I dont care what you say 'about' me, but what iv had to say iv said, so there.

Sky · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I dont care what you say 'about' me, but what iv had to say iv said, so there.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I 'love' your 'use' of 'appostrophes'.

And btw, do NOT I repeat <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>DO NOT</span> participate in a discussion/debate/conversation if you are unwilling or unable to comprehend and/or mildly accept the other side's position.

There are two sides to everything.

For example, some people believe scripting is open to everyone. Well, newsflash, it's not like a manual "How to Script" or "Common Binds: An Idiots Guide to Scripting" is included with...any...game. I personally had no idea how to rebind controls outside of the options menu before the scripting wars first started. So, yes, scripting gives an advantage to people "in the know" because they <u>don't</u> have to mash their fingers to death trying to meet the pistol fire rate, or bunnyhop perfectly on-time.

Now now Kenichi, I didn't forget your side. You believe scripting equates hacking. This leads me to believe either have no idea what a script is, or no idea what a hack is, or both. Go play CS on a public server, go ahead, it won't take long to find some idiot with an aimbot or wallhacks or speedhacks. Now compare that guy to some guy with a bunnyhop script. Just a <i>slight</i> exaggeration comparing the two, don't you think. Furthermore, I already said that scripting is not exactly taught in the game, nor can you learn it by playing the game. On the flip side, anyone who plays a game online should be perfectly capable of searching Google for one of the possibly hundreds of sites where you can learn the basics of scripting. Heck, I got a good enough education on scripting just by browsing these forums. Not to say I use scripts - I've played too long without them to really get used to them, not to mention I hate trusting the computer to get the timing right(irrational I know). But I definitely know how to.

Conclusion: Scripts are a big step forward in learning and mastering this (and many other) games.
If you STILL don't know how to script - even though different scripts for everything from marine bunnyhopping up inclines to simple strobes have been posted all over this forum for weeks, if not months - and you STILL think scripts really do give massive advantages, how about you TRY THEM BEFORE YOU CONDEMN THEM. Seriously, try them. If you were good before, then you won't really benefit much, and if you sucked before, then maybe just maybe you'll benefit from easier controls. But most likely you'll still suck. If you can't even get a rudimentary bunnyhop going without scripts, I'm sorry but you're not doing it with scripts. If you can't kill anything with your pistol, then most likely emptying your clip faster is just gonna make you an easier target. If you can't use fast_switch to leap-bite effectively, a script really isn't going to help you.
To all scripters out there: educate the script-haters, don't argue with them.
To all anti-scripters out there: I implore you to try scripting before assuming they give an unfair advantage.

That will be all.

DuoGodOfDeath · September 2004

5kyh16h91's post owns.

I remember trying to use a pistol script. I actually shot way slower than without one, odd eh? Only script to me that is slight beneficial is the 3hop script which only aids in timing the jumps and nothing more. I could use the mousewheel but I do not like the feeling of it.

I used to hate scripts because I though they were lame until I tried one and enjoyed it. Wee simple story.

5kyh16h91's post owns.

Kenichi-SNK · September 2004

Aight have it your way, probably going back to better games anyway, the community are too aggressive here when i post an opinion, theyre even worse in-game. 'yes' 'they' are'.

comrade · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hacks or Scripts i really dont give a poo. Its still unfair on others u cheating losers <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> . Face us without your scriptive ways and youd lose.

I dont care what you say 'about' me, but what iv had to say iv said, so there.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Wait, so what you just said here is that you would beat <b>anyone</b> who uses scripts now if they played you without them?

Fin · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 06:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Aight have it your way, probably going back to better games anyway, the community are too aggressive here when i post an opinion, theyre even worse in-game. 'yes' 'they' are'.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Wow calling the majority of the competitive community hackers and then saying people are to aggressive. Your a lost one. Not the only one though from what ive seen...

Kenichi-SNK · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Sep 28 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wow calling the majority of the competitive community hackers.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
yes your aggressive but wth!? Quote me on where i called evryone hackers, cos i would really like to know. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> Yes theres lotsa hackers but i called NOONE on this forum that name at all.

*read carefully*

SinSpawn · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Sep 28 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I remember trying to use a pistol script. I actually shot way slower than without one, odd eh? Only script to me that is slight beneficial is the 3hop script which only aids in timing the jumps and nothing more. I could use the mousewheel but I do not like the feeling of it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'd really like to see some one actually shoot really fast with mouse click while in combat (fighting, not the map) mwheelers i'll pass <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> mouse clickers gimme a demo!

Sky · September 2004

Silly question I know, but.....how do you differentiate between a demo of someone clicking real fast and a demo of someone using the mwheel? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

And ty DGod. I try <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

TheAdj · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>For example, some people believe scripting is open to everyone. Well, newsflash, it's not like a manual "How to Script" or "Common Binds: An Idiots Guide to Scripting" is included with...any...game. I personally had no idea how to rebind controls outside of the options menu before the scripting wars first started. So, yes, scripting gives an advantage to people "in the know"</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Seeing as I'm writing the Scripting articles to go on the new NSGuide website and will be included in the Official Manual, I think you're wrong.

Sky · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheAdj` @ Sep 28 2004, 08:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>For example, some people believe scripting is open to everyone. Well, newsflash, it's not like a manual "How to Script" or "Common Binds: An Idiots Guide to Scripting" is included with...any...game. I personally had no idea how to rebind controls outside of the options menu before the scripting wars first started. So, yes, scripting gives an advantage to people "in the know"</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Seeing as I'm writing the Scripting articles to go on the new NSGuide website and <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>will be</span> included in the Official Manual, I think you're wrong.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
"Will be" means there currently is no guide.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>To all scripters out there: educate the script-haters, don't argue with them.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Which is exactly what you're doing.

So no, I'm not wrong, I just gave advice that, unbeknownst to me, was already being followed.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />

a_civilian · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ Sep 28 2004, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Sep 28 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I remember trying to use a pistol script. I actually shot way slower than without one, odd eh? Only script to me that is slight beneficial is the 3hop script which only aids in timing the jumps and nothing more. I could use the mousewheel but I do not like the feeling of it. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'd really like to see some one actually shoot really fast with mouse click while in combat (fighting, not the map) mwheelers i'll pass <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /> mouse clickers gimme a demo!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Okay, I recorded several demos. I uploaded them <a href='http://atlas.walagata.com/w/civilian/pistol.zip' target='_blank'>here</a>.

I use neither a pistol script nor the mousewheel; I only use mouse button 1 bound to +attack.

Also note that any "hackusations" in those demos are in jest (making sure this is known because I don't want to give anyone a bad reputation).

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For that matter, how would you know they aren't just using a script? You just have to take their word for it.

Fin · September 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Alpha- @ Sep 28 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wow calling the majority of the competitive community hackers. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
yes your aggressive but wth!? Quote me on where i called evryone hackers, cos i would really like to know. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /> Yes theres lotsa hackers but i called NOONE on this forum that name at all.

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You are so clueless its not even funny.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 28 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is It Still Possible To Script? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Hack you mean. Yes over 30% of ppl i see, do so, specced and recorded yet remaining unbanned.

I quote myself from another topic
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Get a clue, majority of the competitive community either uses a pistol script/bunnyhop script/callscripts and so on. You are so clueless that you beat voogru in ignorance...

Damn newbies don't even know when they insult others...

Edit: If you don't understand the above here is the simplist explanation: IN COMPETITIVE PLAY SCRIPTS ARE ALLOWED, THEREFORE YOUR OPINION IS AN INSULT TO COMPETITIVE PLAY. Excuse me.

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