Corruption Of Society
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<div class="IPBDescription">things are changing</div> I dont want to post the link first unless I'm sure I can.... I just want to say I was watching CNN way too early in the morning today after watching dilbert on comedy and I saw a headline scroll across the bottom. I was shocked, I told someone about it and they didnt believe me so I had to find the link online. I just have to ask what is wrong with our culture, this generation of kids and humanity overall. I'd love to know if this sorta crap ever happens in other countries, I also realize that these are forums based off a game rated M, but want to make sure the mods are ok with a CNN article of a VERY sensitive nature before I post.
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if you dont post the link, this thread will get locked anyway..
Well I for one am truely disgusted, this is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect in a world that has abandoned God, the Bible, and TV evangelists, I think all you heathen swine should take a loongg hard look at yourse....
oh wait, maybe I should stick around to find out what it is <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/22/elderly.assault.ap/' target='_blank'>CNN assault......</a>
*edit spelling error*
News networks are the corruption of society.
*shakes*
This woman needs to learn how to be a parent and quit whining about "abuse" if she couldnt not spoil this kid so that he would learn morals. The fault here lies primarily on the parents in my estimation, kids that young still are influenced greatly by elders.
Wow that was an awkward sentence.
*interviewer scanning a resume*
You know Microsoft Word, that's a plus. What else? It says here you got a B in Calculus. That's good.
It says here you sexually raped a 78 year old lady while you were 11 years old?
Okay, the job's yours. Just don't do it again. *wink*
Seriously, I don't necessarily think that this has to be indicitive of a cultural decline-- these kids just sound screaming ape **** nuts.
This is a knee-jerk, formally ignorant opinion, but there are certain crimes I can see being the result of bad judgement, or as some sort of manifestation of an unhappy/abusive childhood.
Stealing. Vandalism. Assault. Hell, even murder.
Raping a 78 year old? Your parents could have been Ward and June Cleaver, and it still would have just been a matter of time.
I believe a few decades back, some obscure european country called Germany killed a whole bunch of Jewish people or something. They didn't rape em or anything, just starved and worked to death a few million.
There was also the time where a bunch of our ancestors came to America and nearly wiped out the native peoples. And the time Japan invaded China and slaughtered the entire population of Nan-Jing.
But they never raped any 80 year old women, so I guess that makes their culture at the time "unproblematic."
If you're trying to say that America's society is innately corrupt - you can thank the fact that we have an equal share of just about every culture known to man.
If you're trying to say that humanity as a whole is corrupt, then you do have a fairly strong philosophical standpoint.
But as far as I can see, this is an "omg America is so godless and evil coz of tis one thing i heard about on CNN." If so, then please, come back when you can see the big picture. Good things don't make it to TV.
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Also, our treatment of women was strongly accepted from around the time Catholicism sprang up until sometime during the revolutionary war, when mothers began to gain a much more wholesome reputation as "moral teachers" of the young. The idea of female insuperiority was seen just about the same way homosexuality is seen by a majority of Americans today. Ironically, our poor treatment towards both g*ys and women are the result of Biblical views, as is demonstrated by a number of matriarchical societies that have existed throughout history.
That being said, the parents probably aren't exactly angels themselfs, but still, someone was skipping thier responsiblity when they gave preteens the idea that raping senior citizens was in any way a good idea.
If you're trying to say that America's society is innately corrupt - you can thank the fact that we have an equal share of just about every culture known to man.
If you're trying to say that humanity as a whole is corrupt, then you do have a fairly strong philosophical standpoint.
But as far as I can see, this is an "omg America is so godless and evil coz of tis one thing i heard about on CNN." If so, then please, come back when you can see the big picture. Good things don't make it to TV.
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Also, our treatment of women was strongly accepted from around the time Catholicism sprang up until sometime during the revolutionary war, when mothers began to gain a much more wholesome reputation as "moral teachers" of the young. The idea of female insuperiority was seen just about the same way homosexuality is seen by a majority of Americans today. Ironically, our poor treatment towards both g*ys and women are the result of Biblical views, as is demonstrated by a number of matriarchical societies that have existed throughout history. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No but apparently you think this thread is about o my GOSHZOR America is so awesome and good and can do no wrong. Everything is perfect and news is evil.... Is that your point.... or maybe you just dont have one... But wait you can't be wrong for shame thats just not possible
Teachers now a days are afraid of getting sued if they attempt to enforce discipline. For example, I read an article a few months ago that parents tried to sue a teacher for trying to restrain a student from assaulting another. It seems the norm now to publicly curse out a teachers and people with positions of authority.
I was skimming the New York Times best seller list (books) and there seems to be one common theme of many of the books that reach the top 5 which is books that are hatchet jobs of opposing parties and those of differing opinions (even their families are not immune, just look at kitty kelly’s hatchet job on the bush family or Coulters book on Democrats) Slander and defamation is profitable business in today’s world, which is no surprise that it has leaked onto its youth.
It's much easier then trying to argue a point with you anyway.
Let me draw from my limited experience in psychology and with the media in order to explain why I think what you are implying - that because 11-12-13 year olds are raping 80 year old women, society in America is degraded - is a crock of ****.
First of all, let me explain that I am no America lover. If you ran a comb through my posts, you'd end up with a sack full of anti-American criticism, the greatest of which would probably be <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81349' target='_blank'>this thread.</a> I think, and know, from personal experience that American youth is ignorant, ethnocentric, and completely oblivious to a world outside of their "Freedom Land." The concept that a majority of the world lives under a shadow of proverty goes unnoticed - or unaccepted - by them, usually the result of a lack of pressure by schools and parents to learn otherwise. I also believe that the American lower education system could be ran better by a zoo of shakespeare writing monkies, something I've concluded from personal experience throughout my intimate experience with the system. My plan after college is to move the hell out of here and settle in Japan as an english teacher (I'll probably be majoring in English Literature anyway) and write books for a living, where I'll no longer be responsible for whatever grave this great country manages to dig itself into with its next president.
With that said, your entire argument can be insubstantiated with just one phrase, "isolated incident."
What is an individual to the whole? Does the corruption of one cell neccessarily lead to the death of the whole? What does a pimple on our face say about the person underneath? In the long run, nothing.
Now take a closer look at the article.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The woman, who lived alone, told police she was taking a sponge bath in the kitchen Friday when the 11-year-old walked in, demanded money and then ordered her to take off her clothes and go into the bedroom, according to court papers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now what do you think that means? Do you think an eleven year old consciously made a decision to rape an 80 year old woman? A kid that young wouldn't even have that much interest in women, much less an 80 year old. The only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that the 11 year old was just carrying out some stupid dare that his peers had forced him to do. When you're eleven, someone even one or two years older than you commands a lot of authority. Also notice the fact that it wasn't all three kids who went in, just the youngest.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The woman said the 11-year-old put on a condom and tried to rape her, followed by a second boy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is laughable. Let's look at the keyword. <b>Tried.</b> How hard is it to overpower an 80 year old woman taking a bath? If he was as red-blooded an eleven year old as most, he probably didn't put up much of an effort. This probably indicates that he was hesitant and reluctant to do the deed.
And there you have it. This isn't an example of a sexually corrupted society, but a classic example of peer pressure and disrespect for seniors, and every society in the world has that.
It's much easier then trying to argue a point with you anyway.
Let me draw from my limited experience in psychology and with the media in order to explain why I think what you are implying - that because 11-12-13 year olds are raping 80 year old women, society in America is degraded - is a crock of ****.
First of all, let me explain that I am no America lover. If you ran a comb through my posts, you'd end up with a sack full of anti-American criticism, the greatest of which would probably be <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81349' target='_blank'>this thread.</a> I think, and know, from personal experience that American youth is ignorant, ethnocentric, and completely oblivious to a world outside of their "Freedom Land." The concept that a majority of the world lives under a shadow of proverty goes unnoticed - or unaccepted - by them, usually the result of a lack of pressure by schools and parents to learn otherwise. I also believe that the American lower education system could be ran better by a zoo of shakespeare writing monkies, something I've concluded from personal experience throughout my intimate experience with the system. My plan after college is to move the hell out of here and settle in Japan as an english teacher (I'll probably be majoring in English Literature anyway) and write books for a living, where I'll no longer be responsible for whatever grave this great country manages to dig itself into with its next president.
With that said, your entire argument can be insubstantiated with just one phrase, "isolated incident."
What is an individual to the whole? Does the corruption of one cell neccessarily lead to the death of the whole? What does a pimple on our face say about the person underneath? In the long run, nothing.
Now take a closer look at the article.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The woman, who lived alone, told police she was taking a sponge bath in the kitchen Friday when the 11-year-old walked in, demanded money and then ordered her to take off her clothes and go into the bedroom, according to court papers.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now what do you think that means? Do you think an eleven year old consciously made a decision to rape an 80 year old woman? A kid that young wouldn't even have that much interest in women, much less an 80 year old. The only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that the 11 year old was just carrying out some stupid dare that his peers had forced him to do. When you're eleven, someone even one or two years older than you commands a lot of authority. Also notice the fact that it wasn't all three kids who went in, just the youngest.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The woman said the 11-year-old put on a condom and tried to rape her, followed by a second boy.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is laughable. Let's look at the keyword. <b>Tried.</b> How hard is it to overpower an 80 year old woman taking a bath? If he was as red-blooded an eleven year old as most, he probably didn't put up much of an effort. This probably indicates that he was hesitant and reluctant to do the deed.
And there you have it. This isn't an example of a sexually corrupted society, but a classic example of peer pressure and disrespect for seniors, and every society in the world has that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LoL I think we finally agree on something, I wasn't by far saying this was the norm or that our society was completely at fault. What I was trying to say, like some others have already said is that the bringing up of children in society is almost laughable. I have to disagree though with the daring, it may have been a dare, but how many 11-year olds do you know would take their friends up on this bet <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . No I don't think society is at fault for this incident, but I do think it may have indirectly had a hand in influencing morals, but that again you could also say what does society indireclty influence so the point is rather moot <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously, I don't necessarily think that this has to be indicitive of a cultural decline-- these kids just sound screaming ape **** nuts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I concur, but would you agree that the number of straight up lunatics has increased in recent years?
Or is it now that we just hear about them more often than in the past?
We probably should just put this kid down. Does anyone really believe he will make any significant contributions to society in his life?
<i>Old yeller is acting kind of strange mom.
Here, give me the gun.
No mah he is my dog.
*BLAM*</i>
I call MAD DOG on this kid.
Better yet, lets find a drug that will make him want to be a functioning member of society - thats a good idea. Maybe it was the old ladies fault for not being a good example of what old people are like. I really think he is a "good" kid at heart, he just made some small mistakes... he'll know better next time.
"juvenile delinquency/ignorance isn’t strictly an American phenomenon, it’s a world phenomena"
Yup, it's a problem over here as well, something I already noticed a few years ago..
(Especially among foreign children, but let's not go there *rolls eyes* )
Not only do they behave like they're at least 5 years older than they actually are (funny... in a sad, sad way) but they tend to be selfish, loudmouthed **** as well.
I guess that's what happens when you have criminals and prostitutes as rolemodels who sing and talk about stealing money and having hot monkey sex.
god, I hate mainstream popculture <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This kid however, was just -rotten- and needs serious, serious help
.. and/or needs to be removed from society asap