This Game Is Being Ruined By Ragers

Vektuz · November 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">Do something before it dies like others</div> Ragers (ie, players who dont want to play, but instead, just want to exploit bugs in order to ruin the game for everyone) are destroying the game.

Five servers today, I joined, at random

Five servers today, were raged.

[Method to do it removed by Vek]

These two facts alone meant 5 games in a row, with someone called CCF ruining the game for everyone. Repeatedly.

His wonID is in the server forum.

But the problem is, I seriously doubt any server admins will do anything about this. Of all the servers I've ever seen, maybe one percent even keeps a ban list. I don't know what causes this apathy. Perhaps its about time the mods themselves, not servers, start making a perma banlist.

Even if they fix it in the next patch, I do believe players such as this need to be excluded entirely from NS, forever. Perhaps the server ops should keep a running list of ragers, shared inbetween them, all of which who are candidates for permanent hardcode banning. Because there's really no reason to give these people a chance to play NS.

In the past, entire promising mods have been destroyed because of ragers... after all, that is their purpose. They are the enemy of the NS team and community. So why do you let them play (server admins, mod creators?) We have the WON-ID system in place... why not use it.

Vektuz · November 2002

Just to emphasise, the above is ONE OF MANY ways to do this. Numerous small bugs are causing NS to be a rager's paradise.

MbOoGiE · November 2002

we need a kick vote system in place... as well as have a temp ban and red flag vote system up.

say there was a **obscenity** trying to ruin the game... it would require 90% of the server population to vote for a temp ban, that would last for 3-4 hours... if they came back, and they're voted again, they will be added to the ban list, w/o needing admin intervention.

of course, this can still be exploitable. imagine people coming in as groups and voting to ban people on server one by one... i dunno... any good ideas?

Vektuz · November 2002

The problem is that even with a ban system in place, a rager can destroy a game that has been going on for say, 3 hours, back and forth.

Imagine you've been fighting for 3 hours, gaining ground, losing ground, almost winning, almost losing, and youre just about to take it back and win for once and for all when you find out that 'ONOSRG4Y' (a marine on your own team) has just destroyed all your player spawn points and command center because he believes its very funny to do so.

Katsuro · November 2002

CORRECT!

I believe that this is the result of something called tournament mode, which allows for friendly fire for structures only for use in leage or competative play (an interesting idea). I am hearing that some admins are activating it for normal play.

Remember kids, Friendly Fire ON == Llama Land.

Use it for clan battles only! Dont give llamas an way to screw up the game for others!

Ahnteis · November 2002

No - not tournament mode. Building's can be FF'ed on any server. Bug.

Spectra · November 2002

Hm, I haven't encountered that many llamas yet on NS. The community seems far more mature then say CS.

DeadlyFreeze · November 2002

Jusr wait.. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'>

Tabayashi · November 2002

does anyone know if admin mod is planning to support NS?

Vektuz · November 2002

Katsuro: [Method to do it removed by Vek]

This is what I speak of. It works even in non tournament mode.

Edit: I removed the method. Of course, now you can just say you don't believe me. If you do this, I will post it here again.

Bridger · November 2002

gee thanks for telling EVERYONE on the **obscenity** forums about this great way to ruin the game.

FFS Just email the team, don't post it on the forums for everyone to see! Please delete this thread moderators!

Vektuz · November 2002

That's right, ignore the problem and it will go away!

Edit: Thank you You have a good point... I have removed the method of doing it. Hopefully the team will understand and fix it.

Brutus · November 2002

Yea, ragers ruined CS, they only have 100k players. Ragers will not ruin this game so stop being so dramatic.

Katsuro · November 2002

Oh, i dont disbelieve that theres some exploits, but im saying that servers shouldnt turn on Tournament mode or FF in non clanmatch situations.

Admins cant do much about the bugs that are in the game, thise are in the code. But we still shouldnt give the llamas an easy way to **obscenity** things up by simply turning FF or TM on.

Hang_Loose · November 2002

I don't think it's a big secret, the problem is that you can destroy friendly buildings even when Friendly Fire/Tournament Mode aren't on, and it's not even a secret how. It's a bug, and I guess it needs to be fixed... even though it's not too hard to exploit, I haven't seen anyone doing this during the times I've been playing... kind of weird really.

But yeah, keep tournament mode on only for tournament or private play, but I do believe that's been said before... a few thousand times.

Twex · November 2002

lol, we certainly DON'T need kickvotes. such things only lead to iq-challenged people making up their own rules and enforcing them via peer pressure, e.g. kicking for camping, kicking for not giving out HMGs...

"OMG ALL VOTE TOO KICK XYZ, HE R SUCH A LAMER11!!1"

we DON'T need a game whose rules are made by a group of morons with a right to vote

all we need is a fix for this friendly fire bug, and it's coming soon. so there's no need to be upset.

MEShootHere · November 2002

Bah to ragers.
Ragers come in many a shape and form.
People who eject commanders, FF buildings or just plain get on your face all the time, blocking your fire on purpose.
Do the aliens suffer from the same problem with FF on buildings?

Anyway, the entire topic of cheaters always saddens me.
The first time I got confronted with it was a UT mod called Strike Force.
I was a pretty badass player back then, killing 6 out of 8 players on the other team in good rounds.
But still there were people WAY ahead of me. I never figured it out until I read somewhere cheating devices were used.
And as of now, one cannot play a game of CS, SF or (as it seems) NS without players either ruining it by killing everything or by just being pests.
I am quite a good shot, but when i see gorges with a ping of 300 make some of the shots they make, I cannot help but wonder:
Are they REALLY that good? Or are they cheating? I mean they managed to make a bot in a day, why not an aimhelper or something.
I know cheating isn't REALLY the issue of this topic but both of them ruin the game as much as the other.
I'll never understand those losers...

Stoneburg · November 2002

I think that Valve would have to step in to make the bans real effective, and I would indeed treasure a total WON ban on confiremed cheaters (meaning people using cheat programs etc), bans for *behaviour* is of course a lot harder.

At CoFR, an organisation I am part of, we have several HL-mod servers (CS and DoD), and we have a banlist of 16.000+ WONID's that is shared between all the servers and continually updated. We have just set up our NS server, so it is still not a part of the "ban cluster", but will be in the future. Of course all the people banned in CS and DoD will be banned from NS as well, once a lamer, always a lamer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'>

If you run a NS server and are interested in this system or the ban list, either contact me or goto www.cofr.net to find out more.

Btw, lovely mod this, good job NS people <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

CCF · November 2002

One word=LOL<span style='color:blue'> </span>LOL!!!

JA1num · November 2002

death to all the **obscenity** n00b commanders/game wreckers and long live NS!

Brew · November 2002

A vote to kick sure would have helped last night.

Finally found a real nice low-ping server (everyone was <200, some <100) and some [bleep] kept spamming anti-jew stuff and booting everyone from the server with some h4x0r. Kept whining in all caps that he wanted to be commander and would continue being a pr!ck until his demands were met. Funny thing is, no admins were on, and the person had already been voted out of command, so he <b>couldn't</b> be commander until the next round, he'd just have to wait. No admins to change rounds. But he wouldn't listen, the wounded child throwing a tantrum.

I hated to leave, as it was a good server, but when you can't get past building a resource node before it resets, it becomes pointless.

Seriously, what's wrong with people that they get off on this sh!t?
I just don't get it.

Devs, if you're reading this, please at least implement a kick vote. Doesn't have to add to a ban list, but if you can kick someone out long enough for someone else to join (like, kick the person for 10 minutes), then that would at least help in the short term.

thx

-Brew

PS to the forum moderators, HOLY OVERDONE LANGUAGE FILTER, BATMAN!
Man, I can't even say that if you stab yourself with a needle, you **obscenity** your finger?

rebo · November 2002

dont add a vote -kick , let individual admins add that via a metamod plugin if needed. But please not as standard, the number of times ive been vote kicked by newbs off of tfc servers for 'obviously' cheating is shocking.

Madjai · November 2002

hey Brew i met a similar guy, his name was Holocaust Bob and kept spamming anti-jew ****

and he also had some way of overflowing all the players in the game so we had to rejoin.

from the moment he joined i just massively flamed him, it was so funny. he overflowed us about 4 times and left.

i suggest to anyone who encounters an ***hole like Holocaust Bob to not get angry at them, thats what they want, instead just make fun of them till they go away.

saberx · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Nov 10 2002, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Yea, ragers ruined CS, they only have 100k players. Ragers will not ruin this game so stop being so dramatic.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
This ISN'T CS.

In CS, with FF on, if someone decides to be an **obscenity** and start TKing they are vote kicked off and they're gone. Then a new round begins a couple minutes later, no harm done.

In NS, games don't last a couple minutes. If someone decides to be an **obscenity** and destroy your CC or your spawn points, an hour into a game, he's just caused a lot more damage than TKing some people in CS.

Also, I do think there's a need for a vote kick system. If not just for TKers, but AFKs, and general **obscenity**.

Aaron · November 2002

Brew, Madjai...I was on the same server as you. I emailed the server admins (or at least I hope it got to them, there was no freaking email link on the web site).

If there is a vote kick feature it is plausible that a bunch of lame people could kick good players. But in reality, MOST players are good and ONLY A FEW ruin the game for everyone else. Certainly, if there are 2 bad players on a server of 12, for example, they can easily be kicked/banned. The risk that the *majority* will be bad is very very very very slight, and there is NO way to prevent or recover from that. When only a few people are ruining the game, they can easily be kicked off.

We need something like a Real Time Black Hole List...so that when a lamer gets kicked/banned from one server he IMMEDIATELY GETS BANNED FROM ALL SERVERS participating in the RTBHL.

Closey · November 2002

It feels like servers are going to need an admin constantly online to kick/ban offenders. That might be hard to arrange tho, but it would probably make the server a lot more fun to play on.

Colonel_Vera · November 2002

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'> -I found out that "exploit" the day i got the game....jes noticed you could shoot yer own structures as Marine- Still not sure if it works for alien.. - I have had te worst time on this server.. It's the server i play on regularly due to now I am acustomed to the people who play there etc.. Yet for some damned reason everytime i do a GOOD Job as Commander.....I a ejected due to the servers stupid setting- minvote of 2..
And then that lasts something like 180 minutes.. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'>

After that theres usually no good commanders around (sometimes there is..rare) and we end up dying in a Onos Massacare soonafter.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> ----><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='turret.gif'> <----- <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'>
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'> ---><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='siege.gif'> <----- <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='pudgy.gif'>

On a side note- i personally wish there was a way to keep "tournament" mode on..with FF and all ....but keep away the **obscenity** **obscenity** who screw it up. Friendly Fire is a nescecity <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

SamR · November 2002

But there are CD Key changers available. I was once on a server for DOD, and this same guy was banned repeatedly but kept on coming back because he had this CD Key Changer or something.