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ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
edited September 2004 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Trigonometry is hard!</div> ive decided to come to this offtopic forum asking for help because apparently alot of people do

so here is my problem i just started my school year its been about a week and i havent learned a thing in my math class so i need some help

my two main problems are

1) my teacher speaks barely any english so i cant understand anything he explains

2) my text book is not one of those books without examples and whatnot so i cant teach myself its only a book full of math problems

so basicly im asking you guys on these forums to teach me trigonometry <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

here is the first section im on and i need some one to explain it thoroughly (spelling?) ill take 1 problem from each set of questions so some one can explain each problem and how to do it

since i have no idea how to make the symbol of pi on the keyboard ill replace it with this @ everywhere you see the at symbol means its pi

1.1 Radian and degree measures

problem set 1
Directions: determine the quadrant in which the angel lies (the angel measure is given in radians)

5. (a) @/5 (b) 7@/5

problem set 2
Directions: sketch the angle in standard position

11. (a) 5@/4 (b) 2@/3

problem set 3
Directions: determine two coterminal angles(one positive one negative) for the given angle give your answer in radians

15. (a) @/12 (b) 2@/3

problem set 3
directions : find the complement and supplement of the angel

19. (a) @/3 (b) 3@/4



more problems to come


im posting here for help because ive seen alot of smart people on these forums and im hoping that you guys can help me out


thanks in advance for all help

Comments

  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    Good luck to you sir! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited September 2004
    I want to help it's just that it have been a while and I can't remember all the methods I used to teach myself this stuff. I'm sure someone will be able to help though. My bet is on Dorian Grey. He could probably help you.
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    One second...

    Oh yeah... pai - <span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Times'>π</span></span>
    moep.jpg 105.9K
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grillkohle+Sep 15 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Sep 15 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <insert picture of all you need to know about trig.><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    **Applause**
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    that picture really does have it all, copy it into your notebook.

    too bad no one's explained what all those numbers are on it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Angle: arc distance measured between two lines.

    Angel: winged cherubim of christian mythology.
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    Complementary / supplementary angles (IN COLOR !)
    I hope you can read it (I can), it's scanned directly from my calculus book.
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    Radian / Degree transformation (complete with examples).

    Anything else ? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    edited September 2004
    Grillkohle... you have the same calculus textbook as me?
  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    1) my teacher speaks barely any english so i cant understand anything he explains<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    he doesn't happen to be your english teacher as well, does he?

    anyway, i can't believe they're teaching you trig before geometry. and it's angle, not angel ffs.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    if you ever need any desperate help i might be able to help some. i never took trig but i did go onto crazy insane calculus, and made a 4 on the calculus BC exam, so i got 2 semesters of calculus for college. i did learn some trig, and now this year i have no math for my senior year in high school and ive been kinda itchin to use that calc or trig or something i learned so i dont forget it and it be almost a complete waste.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 15 2004, 08:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 15 2004, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    1) my teacher speaks barely any english so i cant understand anything he explains<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    he doesn't happen to be your english teacher as well, does he?

    anyway, i can't believe they're teaching you trig before geometry. and it's angle, not angel ffs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> no hes not my english teacher...

    and i dont know what you mean about the gemoetry thing i took it like 3 years ago



    grillkhole can you explain everything in that first pic?
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited September 2004
    its basicly saying that 60 degrees is equal to pi/3 radians and on a circle with a radius of 1 unit it is also equal to the point on the graph of (1/2, (3^.5)/2) same for the other things. that and socatoa is pretty much all you need to know for trig

    socatoa, i think its socatoa, i might of mixed it up in the lettering it but its
    Sin = Opposite/ hypotenuse
    Cos = Adjactent/ hypotenuse
    Tan = Opposite/ Adjacent.

    i might of mixed up Sin and Cos
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    That first pic is simply the basic angles in degrees and radians, with the coordinates on the circle. The coordinates are the sine and cosine in the format "(cosine,sine)". This is all grade 10 math stuff (it was for me at least)... hard to believe its in a calculus book <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Second picture says that for 2 angles to be supplementary, their angles add up to π (180 degrees) and complimentary is π/2 or 90 degrees. (Obvious I hope)

    Edit:
    Johndoe is right with the socatoa, except to work its "soh-cah-toa" (h's for hypotenuse)
    All the trig functions have inverses too.
    Sine => cosecant
    Cosine => secant
    Tangent => cotangent

    Edit 2:
    Some useful simple trig identities:
    <!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->
    sinθ/cosθ = tanθ


    sin?θ + cos?θ = 1
    1 + tan?θ = sec?θ
    1+ cot?θ = csc?θ
    cos?θ - sin?θ = cos2θ (thats a 2, not squared)

    sin(A+B) = sinA*cosB + cosA*sinB
    sin(A-B) = sinA*cosB - cosA*sinB
    cos(A+B) = cosA*cosB - sinA*sinB
    cos(A-B) = cosA*cosB + sinA*sinB
    tan(A+B) = (tanA + tanB) / (1 - tanA*tanB)
    tan(A-B) = (tanA - tanB) / (1 + tanA*tanB)
    <!--c2--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--ec2-->

    Oh, and the CAST law.
    [EDIT since the diagram didn't work]
    Quad 2 | Quad 1
    sin+.....| all+
    --------------------
    Quad 3 | Quad 4
    tan+.....| cos+
    [/EDIT]
    Those are the quadrants in which each ratio (and its inverse) is positive. It's called CAST since, if you read it counter-clockwise starting at Quad 4, it reads "CAST".
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    thank you dorian now its coming back to me
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    Well, the unit circle is more or less self explanatory. It is on a coordinate grid, which shows the distances from the x and y axis to points on the circle in 30° increments. I put the quadrant numbers in, and later on, you will need the coordinates in order to do trigonometry calculations (sine, cosine, tangent, cotangent, secant, cosecant), which represent the rations of the distances from the x and y axis.
    That is to come later, though, right now you are just about to start to convert angles, which is very basic.
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    Oh man grill I think that is the same calc book I used to have. What an unmitigated piece of worthlessness. My fencing coach also did textbook sales for a while and he showed me this newer textbook from a different publisher he tried to sell to the UW math dept. and it was amazing how much more awesome it was.

    That said: Chrono, get a different textbook.

    That picture is only a handy shortcut for some of the less cool things in trig, and it's not obvious from it how sin, cos, and tan work (amongst other things).
  • frostymoosefrostymoose Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20799Members
    edited September 2004
    wait until you get to uh---well anything with algebra is a **** and a half for me, personally, but for some reason i'm in AP calculus but only a sophmore. so far - much harder than trig.

    don't forget !

    sin = y/r
    cos = x/r
    tan = y/x
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    Actually, I used both my Calculus and a Precalc book for those figures, the Unit Circle is from my Calculus book (which is rather good), and the rest comes from the Precalc book, which looks good too (did not really spend alot of time on it since I went from Algebra 2 (yawn) last year to AP Calculus right away).

    <img src='http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0618239723.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    <img src='http://college.hmco.com/shared/images/covers/booksite_coverart/0618052917_lg.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    wow you guys are amazing please keep all the info coming even if its ahead of what im on right now i dont want to come back when im on that section and ask for more help GIVE ME ALL THE INFO YOU GUYS GOT!
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grillkohle+Sep 15 2004, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grillkohle @ Sep 15 2004, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, I used both my Calculus and a Precalc book for those figures, the Unit Circle is from my Calculus book (which is rather good), and the rest comes from the Precalc book, which looks good too (did not really spend alot of time on it since I went from Algebra 2 (yawn) last year to AP Calculus right away).

    <img src='http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0618239723.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    <img src='http://college.hmco.com/shared/images/covers/booksite_coverart/0618052917_lg.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You <b>DO</b> have the same Calculus textbook as I used to have.

    Man, Grillkohle, John Doe and Dorian Grey (As I suspected), seriously you guys pwned this thread. You taught a guy trigonometry within 3 hours. GG.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    edited September 2004
    <a href='http://quickmath.com' target='_blank'>http://quickmath.com</a>
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Sep 15 2004, 10:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Sep 15 2004, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://quickmath.com' target='_blank'>http://quickmath.com</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> ..........
  • GrillkohleGrillkohle Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24695Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    You really shouldn't use that, as it does not explain the process that you have to undertake in order to find out a solution. Short, if you use this only, you'll be screwed once the test comes.

    Oh, also, can you give me some excerpts from your book ? I just think its weird that it doesn't have examples.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Sep 16 2004, 12:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Sep 16 2004, 12:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://quickmath.com' target='_blank'>http://quickmath.com</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh my God. You just know that is made by a [fellow] American.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    I don't think I've ever used it, I just like to keep it bookmarked because it may be useful some day.
  • AdvisorAdvisor Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12104Members
    Nuts... I don't think that website has help for more advanced mathematics like for BCIT, Langara, or university.

    But remember the phrase "All Students Take Calculus"
  • ForkFork Join Date: 2004-09-10 Member: 31567Banned
    DAMN..these beets are so fresh..... SNAP!
  • Har_Har_the_PirateHar_Har_the_Pirate Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19388Members, Constellation
    if you are having trouble memorizing it too and are not aloud to keep a copy in tests try puting it in your calculator, either manually ie write it on your calculator, or if you have a advanved nuff one put it in your message box
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