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<!--QuoteBegin-SpaceJesus+Sep 17 2004, 08:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpaceJesus @ Sep 17 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
I don't think CC blocking is cheating, moreover, I believe changes in the console that affect your game are frowned upon by the developers of the game, I have that stuck in my head from somewhere
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you can't increase gamma to see cloaked skulks, doesn't work... you can lower the model colors in game which will allow more visibility, but without a certain type of monitor with or without a certain type of video card, it's impossible to just raise your gamma to see them... .. unless you are using an opengl cheat or hook.
As for bunnyhopping scripts... Half of the people who will say they know what a bunnyhop script does, says that it bunnyhops for you, which is far from even being humanly possible.
Bunnyhop scripts help with timing a jump, and you wont be able to tell if a person is using a 3jump script:
alias "w" "wait" alias 3jump +jump;w;-jump;w;+jump;w;-jump;w;+jump;w;-jump
or just binding mousewheel or spacebar to jump without digging into their config and finding out, or using that stupid plugin that the deadly dozen server has that say...
Bunnyhop Script found on: Prodigy ^_^ Auth ID: Steam_0:*:*******
Bunnyhop scripting is hardly bannable... any scripting is hardly bannable... Just use mp_blockscripts 1 to keep newbie scripters off your server... but i'll be releasing how to bypass it sometime in the near future most likely... maybe ;-)
Most problems with newbie scripters and hackers can be fixed with cd and mp_blockscripts 1... but those don't stop everyone.
As above, its the violating of rules that counts. Some of those are clearly cheats - stuff like wallhacks and OGC - but the ones that people argue over are a different matter.
If a server have set rules regarding things such as scripts and custom skins, then not abiding by these rules is technically cheating. If they do not have these rules listed, then it technically is not - you could get yourself banned by an unforgiving admin.
Play it safe and don't use excessive scripting, or dont make it obvious <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I define cheating to be any thing that the game creator does not think should be in the game.
Normally people say "any thing that wasn't intended" - good players will always find some thing that can be done that wasn't intended as it gives them an edge - that isn't cheating
if the game creator(s) have said "This feature/ability/place should not be in the game" then people who do use said feature/ability/(go to said) place are cheating - they are breaking the rules that the creator of the game has fashioned.
Bunnyhopping has been part of the game forever, and scripting has been part of halflife since day 1... and has yet to be removed... after 6 years... If it were considered cheating, you would think that valve would have removed it within the 6 years the game has been available.
Same thing goes with bunnyhopping, pistol fire, etc. If there is a huge problem that is to be brought to mind and fixed, it will be. No point arguing.
using custom models skins cant really be called cheating unless they are intended to be exploitive (bright coloured 1s etc) which personally i had never heard any1 complain about them until the blockscript thing..
as for scripts the community is still divided over the issue even with the blockscript feature included)
Setting the gamma to the highest is frowned apon server i play on would probly ban ppl for it if they could tell it was being used.
Wow, another flame topic. If you do not know what is considered cheating in this game, this forum is not the place to ask about it. So many bias answers you will get that your understanding on "cheats" will be less then when you asked the question in the first place.
Go read cal rules, everything there should be considered as "respectable rules and ideas on what is wrong in this game".
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 17 2004, 08:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 17 2004, 08:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No matter what the next set of posts say about this message, they are all wrong and denying what is probably what they have or want. Nor will i reply to any posts that will spring up from this message. Say what you want, what you see in THIS post is the untwisted, uncritisised and unaltered truth.
No seriously Kenichi, chill. If you post in a public forum, especially in a thread as flamebait-y as this one, you WILL get people who disagree with you.
Also it helps to know what you're talking about. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Everything with a -hack or -bot at the end of it is *gasp* hacking! Therefore, it's cheating. Everything called "blah blah 'script' " is a script, not a hack. There is no bunnyhopping script; the only thing you can do is put in a command that jumps three times quickly, making it easier to time your jumps. However, that's not even the hardest part about bunnyhopping. You have to get the motion right, and that comes with practice. And practice should, obviously, lead to better play style.
Block_scripts is such an overreaction it's not even funny.....do NOT complain about something if you don't know what it is.
And just for the record, I'm not trying to defend my own way of playing; the only changes I've made to the defaults are hud_fastswitch 1 and rebinding the voice button <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-SpaceJesus+Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpaceJesus @ Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seriously, this is very quickly going to turn into a pro/anti scripting debate, so just lock it before it gets there.
To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I was almost right, cept this will probably get locked before any anti-scripters post with their "0mg h4x" nubbiness.
...... like 1 of the lead admins<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
cough joke cough
I blame the thread starter, and repliers for the downfall of this thread. Both of you are in the wrong, including me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
While I don't consider CC blocking a cheat, I consider it using the game design in ways it wasn't intended to be used. Therefore, I completely support admins that ban for it. CCs were put in ONLY so that the marines could rebuild their base elsewhere should the first be destroyed. Flayra didn't go "I know, CCs should also be used as tank traps for aliens!"
Likewise, turret factories weren't put in with the thought that they should be used to draw OC fire either.
The game wasn't designed that way, and therefore shouldn't be used that way.
<!--QuoteBegin-SpaceJesus+Sep 17 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpaceJesus @ Sep 17 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SpaceJesus+Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SpaceJesus @ Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seriously, this is very quickly going to turn into a pro/anti scripting debate, so just lock it before it gets there.
To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, I was almost right, cept this will probably get locked before any anti-scripters post with their "0mg h4x" nubbiness.
Winnar ! !! \o/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You forgot this part:
Anti-Scripters - If scripts give you no benefit at all why complain when they want to remove the capability to script? After all, you'll be just as good without them, right?
Pro-Scripters - OMG NO DONT REMOVE MY PRECIOUS SCRIPTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneoneeleven
When you agree to have totally prebound controls (not be able to rebind ANY keys) Then, and <b><u>ONLY</u></b> then will I agree to scripting being removed from the engine/mod.
I mean ffs, it's a <u>preference</u>, do you see pro-scripters posting on forums "omg I dont think you should bind lastinv so close to your movement keys, thats such an advantage" ?
It's f**king preference, it makes little to no impact on gameplay, it's just what you feel comfortable with.
In fact, I don't know why I even replied, the devs will never remove scripting, ever. For the simple fact that to lean either side of the fence (which they are diplomatically sat on) would **** off about half of the playerbase, which is comprised of a hell of a lot of high level clanners.
You will notice that there are very few pro-scripters who know little about it. They all know exactly what they are talking about, and thus far to my knowledge, every single argument to remove scripting from the game has been proven to be based on a concept which is simply wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anti-Scripters - If scripts give you no benefit at all why complain when they want to remove the capability to script? After all, you'll be just as good without them, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay, link me to where a dev has <b><u>specifically stated in clear terms</u></b> that it is, or has ever been, their intention to remove scripting from the game.
Oh wait, they haven't. Yet another anti-scripting argument proved completely unfounded and based on total crap.
<b><u>Summary</u></b>
Scripting gives no advantage. At all.
Scripts are a preference, nothing more nothing less.
Whether 99.99% of the people reading this think I'm wrong or not, get used to it because scripting is here to stay for the forseeable (sp?) future, the dev's will not remove it.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thread starter: So, who here likes bunnies?
Post 1: YEah, they're cool
Post 2: Yeah, and fluffy as well. I heart bunnies.
Post 3: I'll tell you what isn't fluffy, and that's scripting.
Post 4: OMG SUYF scripts are preference
Post 5: Let's get back to the topic
Post 6: I'll tell you what isn't the topic, and that's scripting.
Post 7: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Post 8: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Post 9: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
....
Post 572: I love bunnies too. As a side note:
<span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Nemesis Zero: I'm such a stud. <span style='color:red'>***LOCKED***</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--=[Drake]=-+Sep 17 2004, 04:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-=[Drake]=- @ Sep 17 2004, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i think its safe to say this should be locked now before half the world is burnt down by the flames <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hell, let it burn, humanity deserves it after all the **** it did <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I suggest lock if and when it get out of control
Cheat - any external program plugged into HL that gives you an advantage. Includes aimbots, wallhacks, speedhacks, sensorial hacks and other things newbies use to offend people. Classification: The worst of all.
Exploits(basically lesser cheats) - Doing things the game "allows" you to do, like editing models and using game bugs to your own profit. Classification: Very bad.
Scripts would be something between exploits and fair play, depending on the script itself. Only rare cases, such as the gun hack script (TFC) I would consider exploits. Classification: Varies. Only rare cases are serious. Not what we usually see in NS.
CC blocking ladders/vents - Annoying, but not a cheat. It is an exploit in the sense of exploiting a map/engine bug, but not a very serious one. Classification: Just a major annoyance.
CC blocking hallways - The one closest to fair play. It could be classified as "Smart Unbalanced Cheap Trick". Definitely not a cheat, but annoying anyway. Classification: Cheap trick.
The point is moot. Anti scripters can whine till it hurts and they aren't going to change anything. Pro scripters can still script, my favourite server still allows my scripts (Call for med/ammo, say "OMG teh aliens are here, helphelhpelhpe"). As for actual cheats. Wallhacks, Aimbots and Speedhacks are all cheats. Scripts and CC blocking are all legal unless your server nazi...er admin says no to them. In which case hope they ban you so you never make the mistake of going to that server again.
Until later, <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> on.
I think you'll get pretty much the same answers here as on the hkspirit forums lofung.
1) OGC / Wallhack: Cheating - Warrants permaban.
2) Custom Models: Don't care, I still own everyone with default models on.
3) CC / TF blocking: I'm all for it.
4) Exploiting Engine Settings: I'm all for increasing gamma to make the game brighter - but I think you're confusing increasing gamma with toggling some mysterious settings which would make it easier to see cloaked aliens - I'm all for the former, the latter in my opinion deserves a ban.
5) Scripting: I've never used scripts - mainly because I never had the need to, but if people want to use them - that's perfectly fine with me, I see nothing advantageous or exploitive about them.
<!--QuoteBegin-RabbiSatan+Sep 17 2004, 11:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RabbiSatan @ Sep 17 2004, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5) Scripting: I've never used scripts - mainly because I never had the need to, but if people want to use them - that's perfectly fine with me, I see nothing advantageous or exploitive about them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did....I just read that correctly? Someone who has never used scripts saying they're fine?
<!--QuoteBegin-Seph Kimara+Sep 17 2004, 06:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ Sep 17 2004, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-RabbiSatan+Sep 17 2004, 11:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RabbiSatan @ Sep 17 2004, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 5) Scripting: I've never used scripts - mainly because I never had the need to, but if people want to use them - that's perfectly fine with me, I see nothing advantageous or exploitive about them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did....I just read that correctly? Someone who has never used scripts saying they're fine?
No, can't be...can it?
...
*head splodes* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> .... <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And just for the record, I'm not trying to defend my own way of playing; the only changes I've made to the defaults are hud_fastswitch 1 and rebinding the voice button<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel spited.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And a big <3 to Dantemss for his classification. <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
OK, I've had it. I do honestly not care anymore who's right here, but the acid sarcasm representatives of both sides use to defend their points is getting too far. Are you a scripter? Fine by me. I don't use them myself, but hell, to each his own. But if you feel it necessary to come to these boards and insult the intelligence of everyone disliking scripts, you will be suspended. Don't like scripts? Be our guest. We fixed the blockscripts cvar, search yourself a server with it enabled and have fun. But call someone cheater for using 3jump around here, and your presence will no longer be required.
I'm by the way positively surprised by those members on the first two pages who've apparently managed to realize that the scripting issue is not black or white. I congratulate you, folks, you just used your brains.
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Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
^^
I don't think CC blocking is cheating, moreover, I believe changes in the console that affect your game are frowned upon by the developers of the game, I have that stuck in my head from somewhere
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I understand this part.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And now you lost me. <i>Who</i> has wit?
As for bunnyhopping scripts... Half of the people who will say they know what a bunnyhop script does, says that it bunnyhops for you, which is far from even being humanly possible.
Bunnyhop scripts help with timing a jump, and you wont be able to tell if a person is using a 3jump script:
alias "w" "wait"
alias 3jump +jump;w;-jump;w;+jump;w;-jump;w;+jump;w;-jump
or just binding mousewheel or spacebar to jump without digging into their config and finding out, or using that stupid plugin that the deadly dozen server has that say...
Bunnyhop Script found on: Prodigy ^_^
Auth ID: Steam_0:*:*******
Bunnyhop scripting is hardly bannable... any scripting is hardly bannable... Just use mp_blockscripts 1 to keep newbie scripters off your server... but i'll be releasing how to bypass it sometime in the near future most likely... maybe ;-)
Most problems with newbie scripters and hackers can be fixed with cd and mp_blockscripts 1... but those don't stop everyone.
If a server have set rules regarding things such as scripts and custom skins, then not abiding by these rules is technically cheating. If they do not have these rules listed, then it technically is not - you could get yourself banned by an unforgiving admin.
Play it safe and don't use excessive scripting, or dont make it obvious <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Normally people say "any thing that wasn't intended" - good players will always find some thing that can be done that wasn't intended as it gives them an edge - that isn't cheating
if the game creator(s) have said "This feature/ability/place should not be in the game" then people who do use said feature/ability/(go to said) place are cheating - they are breaking the rules that the creator of the game has fashioned.
Bunnyhopping has been part of the game forever, and scripting has been part of halflife since day 1... and has yet to be removed... after 6 years... If it were considered cheating, you would think that valve would have removed it within the 6 years the game has been available.
Same thing goes with bunnyhopping, pistol fire, etc. If there is a huge problem that is to be brought to mind and fixed, it will be. No point arguing.
...... like 1 of the lead admins
using custom models skins cant really be called cheating unless they are intended to be exploitive (bright coloured 1s etc) which personally i had never heard any1 complain about them until the blockscript thing..
as for scripts the community is still divided over the issue even with the blockscript feature included)
Setting the gamma to the highest is frowned apon server i play on would probly ban ppl for it if they could tell it was being used.
Go read cal rules, everything there should be considered as "respectable rules and ideas on what is wrong in this game".
caleague.com
Say what you want, what you see in THIS post is the untwisted, uncritisised and unaltered truth.
Have a nice day!
-Ken <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow....security issues much? Control freak maybe? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No seriously Kenichi, chill. If you post in a public forum, especially in a thread as flamebait-y as this one, you WILL get people who disagree with you.
Also it helps to know what you're talking about. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Everything with a -hack or -bot at the end of it is *gasp* hacking! Therefore, it's cheating. Everything called "blah blah 'script' " is a script, not a hack. There is no bunnyhopping script; the only thing you can do is put in a command that jumps three times quickly, making it easier to time your jumps. However, that's not even the hardest part about bunnyhopping. You have to get the motion right, and that comes with practice. And practice should, obviously, lead to better play style.
Block_scripts is such an overreaction it's not even funny.....do NOT complain about something if you don't know what it is.
And just for the record, I'm not trying to defend my own way of playing; the only changes I've made to the defaults are hud_fastswitch 1 and rebinding the voice button <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
sorry, that was just the only thing in this thread that i noticed. all the rest was just useless crap.
To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I was almost right, cept this will probably get locked before any anti-scripters post with their "0mg h4x" nubbiness.
Winnar ! !! \o/
...... like 1 of the lead admins<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
cough joke cough
I blame the thread starter, and repliers for the downfall of this thread. Both of you are in the wrong, including me <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Likewise, turret factories weren't put in with the thought that they should be used to draw OC fire either.
The game wasn't designed that way, and therefore shouldn't be used that way.
To sum up the rest of the thread:
Anti-Scripters - Scripts are hacks, they give you an unfair advantage
Pro-Scripters - Scripts don't give you any advantage, it's just a preference
Anti-Scripters - Scripts let you bhop perfectly and shoot 10 pistol rounds in under a second
Pro-Scripters - No such script exists, and pscripts fire under the RoF cap (and can also freeze up your keyboard if made badly)
Anti-Scripters - Having to know how the HL engine works to use scripts mean they are bad.
Nemesis Zero - (witty coment) ***LOCKED*** <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I was almost right, cept this will probably get locked before any anti-scripters post with their "0mg h4x" nubbiness.
Winnar ! !! \o/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You forgot this part:
Anti-Scripters - If scripts give you no benefit at all why complain when they want to remove the capability to script? After all, you'll be just as good without them, right?
Pro-Scripters - OMG NO DONT REMOVE MY PRECIOUS SCRIPTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111oneoneoneeleven
When you agree to have totally prebound controls (not be able to rebind ANY keys)
Then, and <b><u>ONLY</u></b> then will I agree to scripting being removed from the engine/mod.
I mean ffs, it's a <u>preference</u>, do you see pro-scripters posting on forums "omg I dont think you should bind lastinv so close to your movement keys, thats such an advantage" ?
It's f**king preference, it makes little to no impact on gameplay, it's just what you feel comfortable with.
In fact, I don't know why I even replied, the devs will never remove scripting, ever. For the simple fact that to lean either side of the fence (which they are diplomatically sat on) would **** off about half of the playerbase, which is comprised of a hell of a lot of high level clanners.
You will notice that there are very few pro-scripters who know little about it. They all know exactly what they are talking about, and thus far to my knowledge, every single argument to remove scripting from the game has been proven to be based on a concept which is simply wrong.
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Okay, link me to where a dev has <b><u>specifically stated in clear terms</u></b> that it is, or has ever been, their intention to remove scripting from the game.
Oh wait, they haven't. Yet another anti-scripting argument proved completely unfounded and based on total crap.
<b><u>Summary</u></b>
Scripting gives no advantage. At all.
Scripts are a preference, nothing more nothing less.
Whether 99.99% of the people reading this think I'm wrong or not, get used to it because scripting is here to stay for the forseeable (sp?) future, the dev's will not remove it.
*waits for lockage*
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thread starter: So, who here likes bunnies?
Post 1: YEah, they're cool
Post 2: Yeah, and fluffy as well. I heart bunnies.
Post 3: I'll tell you what isn't fluffy, and that's scripting.
Post 4: OMG SUYF scripts are preference
Post 5: Let's get back to the topic
Post 6: I'll tell you what isn't the topic, and that's scripting.
Post 7: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Post 8: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Post 9: <span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
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Post 572: I love bunnies too. As a side note:
<span style='color:White'>Be nice.</span>
Nemesis Zero: I'm such a stud. <span style='color:red'>***LOCKED***</span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hell, let it burn, humanity deserves it after all the **** it did
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I suggest lock if and when it get out of control
2. changing skins / changing models
3. cc block
4. increasing gramma for easier seeing of cloaked aliens
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1) Ban on sight.
2) Unless they provide a huge advantage (ie: no teeth in the skulks view) customized models and skins are fine.
3) I personally detest CC blocking and would kick the comm.
4) If you could prove it without a trace of doubt, I would tempban the offending person.
5) Scripting is fine.
Cheat - any external program plugged into HL that gives you an advantage. Includes aimbots, wallhacks, speedhacks, sensorial hacks and other things newbies use to offend people.
Classification: The worst of all.
Exploits(basically lesser cheats) - Doing things the game "allows" you to do, like editing models and using game bugs to your own profit.
Classification: Very bad.
Scripts would be something between exploits and fair play, depending on the script itself. Only rare cases, such as the gun hack script (TFC) I would consider exploits.
Classification: Varies. Only rare cases are serious. Not what we usually see in NS.
CC blocking ladders/vents - Annoying, but not a cheat. It is an exploit in the sense of exploiting a map/engine bug, but not a very serious one.
Classification: Just a major annoyance.
CC blocking hallways - The one closest to fair play. It could be classified as "Smart Unbalanced Cheap Trick". Definitely not a cheat, but annoying anyway.
Classification: Cheap trick.
Until later, <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif' /><!--endemo--> on.
1) OGC / Wallhack: Cheating - Warrants permaban.
2) Custom Models: Don't care, I still own everyone with default models on.
3) CC / TF blocking: I'm all for it.
4) Exploiting Engine Settings: I'm all for increasing gamma to make the game brighter - but I think you're confusing increasing gamma with toggling some mysterious settings which would make it easier to see cloaked aliens - I'm all for the former, the latter in my opinion deserves a ban.
5) Scripting: I've never used scripts - mainly because I never had the need to, but if people want to use them - that's perfectly fine with me, I see nothing advantageous or exploitive about them.
Did....I just read that correctly? Someone who has never used scripts saying they're fine?
No, can't be...can it?
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*head splodes*
Did....I just read that correctly? Someone who has never used scripts saying they're fine?
No, can't be...can it?
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I feel spited.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And a big <3 to Dantemss for his classification. <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
OK, I've had it. I do honestly not care anymore who's right here, but the acid sarcasm representatives of both sides use to defend their points is getting too far.
Are you a scripter? Fine by me. I don't use them myself, but hell, to each his own. But if you feel it necessary to come to these boards and insult the intelligence of everyone disliking scripts, you will be suspended.
Don't like scripts? Be our guest. We fixed the blockscripts cvar, search yourself a server with it enabled and have fun. But call someone cheater for using 3jump around here, and your presence will no longer be required.
I'm by the way positively surprised by those members on the first two pages who've apparently managed to realize that the scripting issue is not black or white. I congratulate you, folks, you just used your brains.