Focus Replaced....?

FiggyFiggy Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23818Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What was before focus?</div> Well the title basically says it all, I was just wondering what upgrade was there for sensory before the oh so .... (i just wont say anything about focus) Focus came to life.
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  • TepplaTeppla Join Date: 2002-09-29 Member: 1368Banned
    Before focus there was Advanced Hive Sight, i think. It made marines/marine buildings light up like your teammates when you have your flashlight on. Pheromones (sp) was also in sensory category. It made the marines leave glowing footprints in the ground for a short amount of time.
  • typical_skeletontypical_skeleton Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13944Members
    was a useless upgrade known as "pheramones".

    it did basically the same thing as scent of fear, except it left a "trail" instead of an accurate indicator of the marine's location.

    before they changed it, scent of fear used to appear only when marines were below a certain amount of health. this made pheramones useful.

    but then they change SoF, and pheramones essentially became SoF's retarded little brother.
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    edited September 2004
    Advanced hive sight: you know the alien flashlight? with this upgrade, the flashlight also lights up marines and their structures. This was somewhat useful for those of us who didnt crank up the gamma

    was replaced by:

    Pheremones (its probably spelt wrong...sue me): marines leave a trail of yellow cloud, so you can trail them. This was pretty much drop dead useless. By the time you can see the clouds, you can probably hear the marine. It also gets annoying in battle (lots of yellow clouds everywhere)

    was replaced by:

    Focus. The most useful of the lot. Results may vary <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    edit: damn you skeleton
    edit2: and you teppla
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Errhm sorry for beeing nit-pick but it was actually called: PHEROMONES
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    Ah focus, the new excuse hackers use. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I dont like focus, but dont get me wrong i never liked pheremones either. Lets make something else!
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 15 2004, 09:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 15 2004, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ah focus, the new excuse hackers use.  <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I dont like focus, but dont get me wrong i never liked pheremones either. Lets make something else! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    1) what. if u die to 1 bite and feel the need to **** about it, do the math first. 1 skulkbite=75 dmg therefore focus=150. 1 marine armor point=2 hp.

    2) you dont like focus because u either cant use it or cant hit the skulk before it bites you. dont u realise focus is a BUFF for the aliens. goddamit u should all be freaking grateful forever for that.

    edit: 3) YEAH lets replace focus with something.. umm wait, what? hey i dont like celerity because i hate it when celerity leap skulks kill me even tho i have HMG. oh yeah that brings us to another point: leap is totally unfair skulks are for AMBUSHING jeez. replace leap with, i dunno, think of something.

    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    Id be grateful if they got rid of it.

    Perhaps we should fling in some new ideas like..

    <u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u>
    Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges.
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    I'm assuming you couldnt add the [sarcasm] & [/sarcasm], due to this board doesnt support that UBB Code... (reffering to TOmekki)

    To everyone else, WTH remove something just because you get nubed by it due to you forget to get armor1 in co_?
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    i hope youre not serious.
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Sep 15 2004, 09:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Sep 15 2004, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i hope youre not serious. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Deadly serious, focus bums and pheremones doesnt help. Chuck something else in! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    evidently you never played with pheremones... focus is extremly usefull. Quit trying to remove anything that gets in your way instead of learning strategies to cope with it... (IE when a fade swiipes with focus, duck and move to the left/right opposite of his direction hes comming, he'll miss that first swipe and odds are throws off his attack timing.) DUH!!!!!
  • ChemChem Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2555Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Or don't play combat and you don't have to deal with focus/cara/rege/celerity fades. Because in all honesty going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot. The first upgrade marines get in classic totally negates any advantage that focus gives. Infact you're better off without focus when they get armor1 due to the rof being like 150% less
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    I thought that... but just didnt say it. Trying ot keep out of the co_ BBQ. However sens has more uses than just focus. SOF is very usefull.
  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    No upgrade they put in Sensory is going to singlehandedly fix the issues with it going first, since one hive Fades and especially Onoses are still crippled without Defense(and Sensory first probably means no Movements ever).
  • Raistlin6Raistlin6 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4420Members
    Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak.
    People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
    Please think before posting such a crap.
  • CerebralCerebral Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17689Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Sep 15 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Sep 15 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or don't play combat and you don't have to deal with focus/cara/rege/celerity fades. Because in all honesty going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot. The first upgrade marines get in classic totally negates any advantage that focus gives. Infact you're better off without focus when they get armor1 due to the rof being like 150% less <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    wow...wrong
    we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches..gg
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    this kind of flow of conversation continues to amuse me.

    and my first post was dead serious, because i dont play aliens, heavens sake who can with all these 15-shots-1-kill hackers rampaging our peaceful community.
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Sep 15 2004, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Sep 15 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ... because i dont play aliens, heavens sake who can with all these 15-shots-1-kill hackers rampaging our peaceful community. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    YOu said it yourself, you dont play aliens... thats my opinion of why problems have started to arise as is, and its comming from the co_ only areas. (its just my opinion).

    Focus is only a 1 hit kill if you dont play smart and get armor. What, you think goin all heavy weps with no defense will win teh game? It dont work that way. Besides, what use would welders have then in CO cept for the CC? Geez.

    on a side note... isnt it kinda embarrasing having people watch you jump up in down in the marine selection with 5 other people waiting for someone to go alien so you can stack marine?... I know its mean but... bleh... I wont finish that thought. Play aliens and you'll see how the game really is, being one sided like that your opinion is kind of invalidated.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 15 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 15 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Id be grateful if they got rid of it.

    Perhaps we should fling in some new ideas like..

    <u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u>
    Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    New sensory upgrade:

    Fade-lift


    "Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"


    <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT"
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    im sorry for all the inconvenience ive managed to produce.

    to be clear:

    how the hell can that little dog kill me in just 2 bites? wait theres more. it spends two (2) res for an upgrade that makes me die in ONE hit. bs.
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    dont you mean point? (co_) WTH you spend 1 point and negate that. (in NS) Comm spends 20 res and negates that (which costs the aliens min of 30 res to be able to get to that point lvl2 focus doesnt do as much). Which also means no regen for the skulk if in NS.

    On a side note, in order to have 3 early game it will also tie up two lifeforms for gorge and sens, one stays to drop the 3rd, which means a minium of 2 lost RTs and a higher lifeform. Plus harder to survive as lerk/fade.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Raistlin666+Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak.
    People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
    Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->New sensory upgrade:

    Fade-lift


    "Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"


    <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->  "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Hahaha! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Yeah thats a great way to look at that. Gorge soccer or bowling.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 15 2004, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 15 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Raistlin666+Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak.
    People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
    Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You missed the point. His point is that you are suggesting nerfs to the aliens, but you never play them, so you don't have any idea how it will affect them. You always play marines and want marines to be stronger. Many people will simply see that you just want to make the game easier for yourself and that you aren't concerned with the overall balance.
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    And i'm_lost puts it into perspective.

    Hurray! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    As for TOmekki.... I&S forum buddy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    This thread is why my head keeps hitting my desk over and over. It might also explain the constant groaning noise and the stomach ache.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    you are most welcome.
  • FiredragonFiredragon Join Date: 2003-07-16 Member: 18207Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Well all if I knew anything about coding n stuff I'd try to make both teams evenly matched with outrageous buildings,battles,TOTAL on the edge of yer seat gameplay where neither team knows what the heck is going on and to get "OUT THERE" to find out.hehe


    One of the things I'd do is maybe give skulks the ability to "only" build oc's on the walls,ceilings to helpout the gorge hmmm could be intresting since skulks walk the walls and ceilings.Say imagine walking into a hiveroom "a cloaked one or whatever and there's oc's on the walls and ceilings as well as the ground."Seige" and nades could take care of this prob,but make it hell for jetpackers <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> OH YEAH baby there's one dead marine.

    Second thing give "xenocide" to onos also and "upping" the damage it could cause,like being able to takeout half of marine base regardless of whatever's built n takeout afew marines with it.

    Seriously I had a another dream where I was in a map and saw oc's on the walls and ceilings lol.


    Ok back on topic lol I like focus although I hardly use it.and when I did use it,ah cool taking marines out in one bite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Forlorn- I like the idea of Fade-lift hehe being able to blink into rine base n chuck a gorge at the CC , lol ah yeah would be good times.I'm serious there.
  • Kenichi-SNKKenichi-SNK Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24617Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Sep 15 2004, 01:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Sep 15 2004, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You missed the point.  His point is that you are suggesting nerfs to the aliens, but you never play them, so you don't have any idea how it will affect them.  You always play marines and want marines to be stronger.  Many people will simply see that you just want to make the game easier for yourself and that you aren't concerned with the overall balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I 'HAVE' played as aliens and know the FULL DAMAGE AND UPGRADES calculations so i do know how it will affect the game, iv bin here 4 about 3 years least. I play marines and want them to be stronger cos at the moment theyre too strong in combat and too weak in ns.

    Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.

    -_- Does everyone think i know nothing? KNOW before you judge! I enjoy going aliens, but i simply prefer marine side by default experience.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    edited September 2004
    u say youve been around for 3, 4 years.

    this is what i read

    joined: december '03

    and btw ns has only been out for 2 years.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    wow. looks like u edited out the best part. ah well. but yeah "playing the same people?" why on earth? do u realise that that in itself makes all your arguments and opinions regarding this game NULL. also im interested in learning how its possible for u to discover new hackers weekly (as you have, tho indirectly, stated in various other threads. dont take this as a flame, at least not too much) if youve played this game with the same people for 3 years? cause that'd mean you are a pre-release pt. CONGRATS.
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