<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Sep 12 2004, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Sep 12 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The rest of the world hates Bush because he isnt afraid to take action, and probably wouldnt hesitate to turn on our allies if they **** us off too much.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously Bush isn't afraid to plain out lying to his own country, and other countries, either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Sep 12 2004, 06:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Sep 12 2004, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Sep 12 2004, 09:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Sep 12 2004, 09:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Never have I seen more conclusive proof that doing the right thing is bound to be unpopular!
So what if the rest of the world doesnt like your leader - do you think the French will help you guys if only Bush is gone? lol - America is discovering the harsh truth - when they are needed to save countries from the Nazi's or the Commies, everyone loves them. Both Nazi's and commies are gone - so it's to hell with the Americans. You dont have allies yankees - every other nation in the world would sell you out in a second if it was in their interest. And that will happen whether you have Bush or Kerry in Government.
So here's hoping the American population is smarter than the rest of the world and re-elects Bushie! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He is by far the most intelligent person on these forums. He sees the truth. The French and English...and most of Europe love us when they have a problem that they cant solve, but as soon as we might need their help or support..."AMERICANS ARE BARBARIANS! AMERICANS SUCK! AMERICANS ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE! BUSH SHOULD DIE!"
Talk about backstabbers. The rest of the world hates Bush because he isnt afraid to take action, and probably wouldnt hesitate to turn on our allies if they **** us off too much.
The other half of the world needs to recognize this, without the United States of America, they wouldnt be here today. They would be living under the rule of someone like Hitler or Himmler, or one of the many other terrible men involved with the Third Reich. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pre-imposted opinions about phantoms of imagination, yep, funny you should mention himmler <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>megalomaniac</span>
I wouldnt be surprised if they soon aired "der ewige european"
a black and white view? Ok, let's analyze my last post:
"well... I have to say I agree with you here (notwithstanding my last post).." Yes, I obviously have a one-sided view <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"Who wouldn't hasitate to attack us, the US or half of the world? Both seems viable nowadays.. btw, the current US plans suck, because Europe already tried it and look how well Africa turned out.." OK, you are somewhat right here. Let me explain though. We have a youth culture that's based on idolizing another culture whose power is fading away at the same time, the 'old' culture that people can less and less relate to, and a growing influence of other foreign influences (mostly islamic) And then 9/11 happens. The U.S. goes on what seems to be a rampage and Islamic people start bombing stuff as well. (Note that I do not agree with that, this is something that was bound to happen for a much longer time, and 9/11 wasn't exactly the first thing to happen either, but this is the way most people look at it here) Great... so when the **** really hits the fan, guess what the battlefield is going to be? (again?) So that's why nobody wants anything to do with it, it's like the 'fin de siecle' all over again if you think of it.... (with Muslims sadly being the Jews this time....) not that anybody will ever admit this though...
Oh and the current US plan is nearly a carbon copy of the European colonial plans... omg, that's so going to fail.
"Everybody should follow US orders, because the US saved them from oppressors I hope you can see the BLATANT irony in that." I was just trying to show him what the implications of the words he just used were. Nonsense? yes, but hey, I didn't write it...
So, please tell me -why- my view of the world is 2d (although I must admit that I -did- use the US in a sense that it meant the country, its government and its people at the same time a couple of times. my apologies for that )
There, are you happy now? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I love how those numbers only add up to 99% <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->" The French and English...and most of Europe love us when they have a problem that they cant solve, but as soon as we might need their help or support..."AMERICANS ARE BARBARIANS! AMERICANS SUCK! AMERICANS ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE! BUSH SHOULD DIE!"" well... I have to say I agree with you here (notwithstanding my last post)..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
? I agree with what he said, European countries always complain about the US but still expect is to send armies everywhere. There should be a fully fledged EU army. The truth sometimes hurts :/
<!--QuoteBegin-Bo Selecta+Sep 12 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bo Selecta @ Sep 12 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There, are you happy now? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, Mr. Bo Selecta I'm not happy.
You stated that the allies had "concentration camps" during WWII, I would like proof of this. You know...because it's **** just like the rest of your posts.
Hold on...Bush is courageous because he declared war? Why would you say that? Is he fighting alongside his troops? Is he, for that matter, IN Iraq?
EDIT: Also, reasa, I believe that many Japanese Immigrants and German Americans during the war were chucked into camps, and not allowed to leave. Hmm...a camp with a large concentration of certain ethnic peoples... Would that be called a concentration camp?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Obviously Bush isn't afraid to plain out lying to his own country, and other countries, either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
-K<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> He never "lied" unless you have some cold hard proff that he knew our intelligence was/is flawed. He did what most leaders would have done, trusted the intelligence that seemed to be true and acted upon it in a way that seemed fit.
You stated that the allies had "concentration camps" during WWII, I would like proof of this."
Ah, so -that's- what this is about. I didn't say they were used during WWII as deathcamps, however, they were INVENTED by the English (Unless our blatently socialist and incompetent educational system lied to me.. again <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) And what would you call the Japanese "shelters" in the US?
why are so many 'conservatives' here projecting this as an attack on bush.
It was said in the first post that it means nothing, and still everyone wants to jump in to disprove and denounce it as if it were a little snipe at bush.
<!--QuoteBegin-Stewie+Sep 12 2004, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stewie @ Sep 12 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thanks to my inability to wield a mouse, Vanuatu will now choose Mr Bush as President <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ...Your name should be changed to "Florida"...
And those 'concentration camps' used by the Americans during WW2 to hold the Japanese were called interment camps. Where they may have been treated poorly, but I don't believe any of them were killed (aside from old age, if there were any). The greatest problem was that it was a hugely discriminatory act that bankrupted many Japanese-Americans since they couldn't pay for their homes or possessions.
There weren't any German camps I know, aside from POW camps.
Besides: How often does the victor in war charge themselves with warcrimes? "Ohhh, we fire bombed Dresden, aww, bad US, no Germany for us!"
The US expecting support in Iraq is like the US expecting tons of support in Vietnam. I don't recall hearing of 1,000s of German or English troops dieing, so I'm not all that surprised (although a bit angry at those French and their Dien Bien Phu fiasco, which was one of the reasons the US was there in the first place).
Remember that lots of the people that vote for Bush don't even know how to work a computer; let alone find boonie websites to voice their opinions.
If I recall correctly, it was a democrat president who saved the world's butt in WW2. As soon as we see a republican president take power, the USA starts acting as a independent entitiy and throwing its weight around in order to 'stop terrorism' that just happens to be going on in countries that have alot of oil, the world steps back and does a "double you tee eff".
Either way, I don't see how a vote for kerry is a vote of non confidence for America, it just means the rest of the world would rather see a wishy washy president than an idiot president. The statement "I want kerry for president" is not an unpatriotic statement contrary to popular belife it seems.
Europe might owe the whole of america a dept, but they sure as hell don't owe bush or the republicans anything. All those morons have really done is stirred up a terrorist firestorm.
Seems only people inside the US are stupid enough to vote for bush. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Thank you for this poll, its made my day <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I feel a little bit happier about the world in which I live.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Sep 12 2004, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Sep 12 2004, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but they sure as hell don't owe bush or the republicans anything. All those morons have really done is stirred up a terrorist firestorm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> so true, it actually hurts.
<!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Sep 12 2004, 11:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Sep 12 2004, 11:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Sep 12 2004, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 12 2004, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> LOL, an ONLINE (liberal) ... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> OMG, r u saying republicans are a bunch of texas farmer with that statement??? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No he's saying that most people on the internet are liberal which is the damn truth.
i wouldn't say this poll is an actual representation of how exactly the world feels about bush, but it's safe to say that he's not exactly the most popular president we've ever had.
<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> liberal people tend to have a stronger presence on the internet, but i'm still surprised by this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations.
I'll take this thread as a chance to change my sig... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Sep 12 2004, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Sep 12 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> liberal people tend to have a stronger presence on the internet, but i'm still surprised by this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> which would go towards explaining why both countries are 50/50.
<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 12 2004, 03:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 12 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Sep 12 2004, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Sep 12 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 12 2004, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> liberal people tend to have a stronger presence on the internet, but i'm still surprised by this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> which would go towards explaining why both countries are 50/50. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Precicely.
Ok. It's a Bush vs Kerry election, and people are trying to figure out which one will destroy the deteriorating US economy less.. so they bring up WW2!
1) Nobody owes USA anything. Germany + Japan were steamrolling, and USA had to come in or they would have lost all of Europe to the Nazi's [and I don't think they liked USA that much].
2) The Europeans especially don't owe USA much for WW2 because it was the russians who made the most significant impact on the German warmachine. America's significance was against the Japanese.
3) Either way, it's a bloody team effort. So you're saying that, since Europe hates USA's guts, if 1939 were to roll around again, you'd just leave them? Wait, don't answer that.
5) Allied concentration camps? They weren't called that, and persecution wasn't as direct ('Hey, we're the "Good" guys!'), but they existed. Americans of german/italian/japanese background would be chucked into these camps so they didn't go running back to the motherland to fight against the allies.
4) USA has a history [note: all of it's history] spent looking thinking about themselves only. "America first, last, always". No decision is made without America's immediate and future prosperity in mind. Mind you the economy is so unstable and unappealing that they couldn't have made very many good decisions.
Nobody likes American because you're a bad trading partner, your economy is unstable, you're arrogant and self-serving, you're opressive, and if you add it up, there are more con's than pro's. China would be a better trading option. And protection? Who's there to protect us from? China? North Korea? The only threat would be China, and that's if you and all the other world's armies managed to simultaenously tk themselves in the head.
P.S. <i>I VOTED FOR RALPH NADER! I hate everyone!!</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-eediot+Sep 12 2004, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Sep 12 2004, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok. It's a Bush vs Kerry election, and people are trying to figure out which one will destroy the deteriorating US economy less.. so they bring up WW2!
1) Nobody owes USA anything. Germany + Japan were steamrolling, and USA had to come in or they would have lost all of Europe to the Nazi's [and I don't think they liked USA that much].
2) The Europeans especially don't owe USA much for WW2 because it was the russians who made the most significant impact on the German warmachine. America's significance was against the Japanese.
3) Either way, it's a bloody team effort. So you're saying that, since Europe hates USA's guts, if 1939 were to roll around again, you'd just leave them? Wait, don't answer that.
5) Allied concentration camps? They weren't called that, and persecution wasn't as direct ('Hey, we're the "Good" guys!'), but they existed. Americans of german/italian/japanese background would be chucked into these camps so they didn't go running back to the motherland to fight against the allies.
4) USA has a history [note: all of it's history] spent looking thinking about themselves only. "America first, last, always". No decision is made without America's immediate and future prosperity in mind. Mind you the economy is so unstable and unappealing that they couldn't have made very many good decisions.
Nobody likes American because you're a bad trading partner, your economy is unstable, you're arrogant and self-serving, you're opressive, and if you add it up, there are more con's than pro's. China would be a better trading option. And protection? Who's there to protect us from? China? North Korea? The only threat would be China, and that's if you and all the other world's armies managed to simultaenously tk themselves in the head.
P.S. <i>I VOTED FOR RALPH NADER! I hate everyone!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH the amount of misinformation and gut-wrenching nonsense in that post made me laugh.
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Obviously Bush isn't afraid to plain out lying to his own country, and other countries, either. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
-K
So what if the rest of the world doesnt like your leader - do you think the French will help you guys if only Bush is gone? lol - America is discovering the harsh truth - when they are needed to save countries from the Nazi's or the Commies, everyone loves them. Both Nazi's and commies are gone - so it's to hell with the Americans. You dont have allies yankees - every other nation in the world would sell you out in a second if it was in their interest. And that will happen whether you have Bush or Kerry in Government.
So here's hoping the American population is smarter than the rest of the world and re-elects Bushie! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is by far the most intelligent person on these forums. He sees the truth. The French and English...and most of Europe love us when they have a problem that they cant solve, but as soon as we might need their help or support..."AMERICANS ARE BARBARIANS! AMERICANS SUCK! AMERICANS ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE! BUSH SHOULD DIE!"
Talk about backstabbers. The rest of the world hates Bush because he isnt afraid to take action, and probably wouldnt hesitate to turn on our allies if they **** us off too much.
The other half of the world needs to recognize this, without the United States of America, they wouldnt be here today. They would be living under the rule of someone like Hitler or Himmler, or one of the many other terrible men involved with the Third Reich. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pre-imposted opinions about phantoms of imagination, yep, funny you should mention himmler <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>megalomaniac</span>
I wouldnt be surprised if they soon aired "der ewige european"
Sir, you frighten me..
Ok, let's analyze my last post:
"well... I have to say I agree with you here (notwithstanding my last post).."
Yes, I obviously have a one-sided view <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"Who wouldn't hasitate to attack us, the US or half of the world?
Both seems viable nowadays..
btw, the current US plans suck, because Europe already tried it and look how well Africa turned out.."
OK, you are somewhat right here. Let me explain though.
We have a youth culture that's based on idolizing another culture whose power is fading away at the same time, the 'old' culture that people can less and less relate to, and a growing influence of other foreign influences (mostly islamic)
And then 9/11 happens. The U.S. goes on what seems to be a rampage and Islamic people start bombing stuff as well.
(Note that I do not agree with that, this is something that was bound to happen for a much longer time, and 9/11 wasn't exactly the first thing to happen either, but this is the way most people look at it here)
Great... so when the **** really hits the fan, guess what the battlefield is going to be? (again?)
So that's why nobody wants anything to do with it, it's like the 'fin de siecle' all over again if you think of it.... (with Muslims sadly being the Jews this time....)
not that anybody will ever admit this though...
Oh and the current US plan is nearly a carbon copy of the European colonial plans... omg, that's so going to fail.
"Everybody should follow US orders, because the US saved them from oppressors
I hope you can see the BLATANT irony in that."
I was just trying to show him what the implications of the words he just used were. Nonsense? yes, but hey, I didn't write it...
So, please tell me -why- my view of the world is 2d
(although I must admit that I -did- use the US in a sense that it meant the country, its government and its people at the same time a couple of times. my apologies for that )
There, are you happy now? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Antarctica
40 % Bush
59 % Kerry
The Penguins have spoken!
well... I have to say I agree with you here (notwithstanding my last post)..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with what he said, European countries always complain about the US but still expect is to send armies everywhere. There should be a fully fledged EU army.
The truth sometimes hurts :/
No, Mr. Bo Selecta I'm not happy.
You stated that the allies had "concentration camps" during WWII, I would like proof of this. You know...because it's **** just like the rest of your posts.
EDIT: Also, reasa, I believe that many Japanese Immigrants and German Americans during the war were chucked into camps, and not allowed to leave. Hmm...a camp with a large concentration of certain ethnic peoples... Would that be called a concentration camp?
-K<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He never "lied" unless you have some cold hard proff that he knew our intelligence was/is flawed. He did what most leaders would have done, trusted the intelligence that seemed to be true and acted upon it in a way that seemed fit.
You stated that the allies had "concentration camps" during WWII, I would like proof of this."
Ah, so -that's- what this is about.
I didn't say they were used during WWII as deathcamps, however, they were INVENTED by the English
(Unless our blatently socialist and incompetent educational system lied to me.. again <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
And what would you call the Japanese "shelters" in the US?
<a href='http://www.r33b.net/' target='_blank'>All hail the Hypnotoad</a>
It was said in the first post that it means nothing, and still everyone wants to jump in to disprove and denounce it as if it were a little snipe at bush.
Some are too eager to defend on instinct I think.
...Your name should be changed to "Florida"...
And those 'concentration camps' used by the Americans during WW2 to hold the Japanese were called interment camps. Where they may have been treated poorly, but I don't believe any of them were killed (aside from old age, if there were any). The greatest problem was that it was a hugely discriminatory act that bankrupted many Japanese-Americans since they couldn't pay for their homes or possessions.
There weren't any German camps I know, aside from POW camps.
Besides: How often does the victor in war charge themselves with warcrimes? "Ohhh, we fire bombed Dresden, aww, bad US, no Germany for us!"
The US expecting support in Iraq is like the US expecting tons of support in Vietnam. I don't recall hearing of 1,000s of German or English troops dieing, so I'm not all that surprised (although a bit angry at those French and their Dien Bien Phu fiasco, which was one of the reasons the US was there in the first place).
Remember that lots of the people that vote for Bush don't even know how to work a computer; let alone find boonie websites to voice their opinions.
Either way, I don't see how a vote for kerry is a vote of non confidence for America, it just means the rest of the world would rather see a wishy washy president than an idiot president. The statement "I want kerry for president" is not an unpatriotic statement contrary to popular belife it seems.
Europe might owe the whole of america a dept, but they sure as hell don't owe bush or the republicans anything. All those morons have really done is stirred up a terrorist firestorm.
I know. But that doesn't mean that it never happened.
Nor that it is forgotten.
besides, what's up with the "owing" stuff and "guilt" anyway?
why all the negativity?
what happened? and when?
It's fascinating to see history in motion though..
so true, it actually hurts.
OMG, r u saying republicans are a bunch of texas farmer with that statement??? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No he's saying that most people on the internet are liberal which is the damn truth.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->France 202 3254 5 % 94 %
Iraq 175 178 49 % 50 %
Afghanistan 289 295 49 % 50 %<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i wouldn't say this poll is an actual representation of how exactly the world feels about bush, but it's safe to say that he's not exactly the most popular president we've ever had.
That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations.
That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
which would go towards explaining why both countries are 50/50.
That isn't as true in Iraq and Afganistan though... in those countries the general populous isn't very exposed to the internet, and a huge segment of the liberals spend the majority of thier time trying to blow things up. Thus the conservitive populations get more IT representation than the liberal populations. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
which would go towards explaining why both countries are 50/50. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Precicely.
1) Nobody owes USA anything. Germany + Japan were steamrolling, and USA had to come in or they would have lost all of Europe to the Nazi's [and I don't think they liked USA that much].
2) The Europeans especially don't owe USA much for WW2 because it was the russians who made the most significant impact on the German warmachine. America's significance was against the Japanese.
3) Either way, it's a bloody team effort. So you're saying that, since Europe hates USA's guts, if 1939 were to roll around again, you'd just leave them? Wait, don't answer that.
5) Allied concentration camps? They weren't called that, and persecution wasn't as direct ('Hey, we're the "Good" guys!'), but they existed. Americans of german/italian/japanese background would be chucked into these camps so they didn't go running back to the motherland to fight against the allies.
4) USA has a history [note: all of it's history] spent looking thinking about themselves only. "America first, last, always". No decision is made without America's immediate and future prosperity in mind. Mind you the economy is so unstable and unappealing that they couldn't have made very many good decisions.
Nobody likes American because you're a bad trading partner, your economy is unstable, you're arrogant and self-serving, you're opressive, and if you add it up, there are more con's than pro's. China would be a better trading option. And protection? Who's there to protect us from? China? North Korea? The only threat would be China, and that's if you and all the other world's armies managed to simultaenously tk themselves in the head.
P.S. <i>I VOTED FOR RALPH NADER! I hate everyone!!</i>
1) Nobody owes USA anything. Germany + Japan were steamrolling, and USA had to come in or they would have lost all of Europe to the Nazi's [and I don't think they liked USA that much].
2) The Europeans especially don't owe USA much for WW2 because it was the russians who made the most significant impact on the German warmachine. America's significance was against the Japanese.
3) Either way, it's a bloody team effort. So you're saying that, since Europe hates USA's guts, if 1939 were to roll around again, you'd just leave them? Wait, don't answer that.
5) Allied concentration camps? They weren't called that, and persecution wasn't as direct ('Hey, we're the "Good" guys!'), but they existed. Americans of german/italian/japanese background would be chucked into these camps so they didn't go running back to the motherland to fight against the allies.
4) USA has a history [note: all of it's history] spent looking thinking about themselves only. "America first, last, always". No decision is made without America's immediate and future prosperity in mind. Mind you the economy is so unstable and unappealing that they couldn't have made very many good decisions.
Nobody likes American because you're a bad trading partner, your economy is unstable, you're arrogant and self-serving, you're opressive, and if you add it up, there are more con's than pro's. China would be a better trading option. And protection? Who's there to protect us from? China? North Korea? The only threat would be China, and that's if you and all the other world's armies managed to simultaenously tk themselves in the head.
P.S. <i>I VOTED FOR RALPH NADER! I hate everyone!!</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH the amount of misinformation and gut-wrenching nonsense in that post made me laugh.