Cs:source Beta

douchebagatron · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnCritical @ Aug 24 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Haha, you should be able to carry your fallen comrades and use their bodies as human shields!!

But no, the bodies (currently) don't stack.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
awww, so they just clip through each other? that sucks. i woulda thought that with hl2s amazing physics and stuff they could at least add in collision detection between bodies.

Haze · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 20 2004, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 20 2004, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Your bullets register but you can't see it. In CS/CZ you can easily see where your shots go and adjust your recoil accordingly. Not in CSS. People always went on how CS was never realistic and now they cry when something like this is implimented. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
What do you mean? Are you saying its realistic that there aren't bullet holes in the wall when you miss? Or what?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Let me translate. Many people were <b>whining</b> about how CS is never <b>realistic.</b> So the developers made it so an obnoxious amount of <b>blood</b> cant be seen when a bullet collides with a persons <b>bullet proof vested chest</b> and unrealisticly confirm a hit. <b>What</b> is in CSS right now is more <b>realistic,</b> because in <b>real life</b> you wouldnt see this massive squirt of <b>blood</b> from a persons body when you <b>shot</b> then, especially a headshot.

CommunistWithAGun · August 2004

That and the crosshairs are 100% crap in CSS...

They dont adjust to recoil at all.

MedHead · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 25 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> They dont adjust to recoil at all.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Good. Don't like crosshairs that move.

Haze · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tom[SHOTTEH] @ Aug 20 2004, 08:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UnCritical @ Aug 19 2004, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> This happened to me in one game.
I got shot and fell forward and kinda slid off the wall whilst thinking "Hell yeah" @ the ragdoll effect....then it just got stuck <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />
It was where the gun touched my foot, and my foot just stuck there.
<img src='http://www.darkbeforedawn.net/external/ragdoll1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><img src='http://www.darkbeforedawn.net/external/ragdoll2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That actually looks possible IRL if you think about the angle of the leg, and what it would have to do to let the body fall. Would the joint break IRL?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Dude. He would just fall over. Like fifty thousand more times of his mass are OFF the wall than on it, and its unbalanced. Like someone said before, you'll see one crappy ragdoll physic (which you'll laugh at) for every fifty cool and awsome rag doll physics.

Just thank the gods its not like Rainbow Six III, Raven shield, where if you were shot in the open in the chest, you always landed the exact same way, and it always looked stupid. Only time the rag dolls were cool is when you fell from something or rolls off of something. I got shot on a prison map, fell out of a tower, fell two stories, slammed my head into a ledge and my body flew over it and down another story into the courtyard, slamming its back into the top half of a basketball hoop, finally comming to a rest on the ground. It was fricken awsome.

You know what I'm going to do? Download the map maker for source, then make a map that has you standing on a little plateau somewhere. The other CPU character that doesnt move is on the edge of a floating piece of matter. Shoot him and watch the rag doll physics work as he bangs into obstacles on his way down. Extra points for going down far/landing high up. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

Haze · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Aug 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Their community is still full of ****heads though. Out of two servers I joined, I was routinely called every ethnic deragatory term there is and told that my mother has a preference for various shaped objects. Also that apprently my dog has poor dental hygine.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Double post but...

Once CSS comes out, I propose that someone buys a server, puts a password on the server, and the password is in a topic on this forum, where we can disscuss what happened in the server, show screenshots and scores, etc... it would be fun, and get rid of all the **** online. Of course you could invite respectable friends as well, and the admin would be able to ban the occasionall jackass that made it into the server.

Haze · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheMuffinMan @ Aug 19 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> God, this game is beautiful. As has been said before, the subtlety of the effects make this look so much better than doom3 and farcry. I love the ragdoll effects in the above image, making the one terrorist corpse on the left sit up.

By the way, if anyone is looking for a free hosting site for pictures, try <a href='http://www.picgoo.com' target='_blank'>http://www.picgoo.com</a>. You dont need to sign up and can host pictures up to 250kb in *edit* Or it would if i could get it to work :/  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
*triple post for teh w1n!1111*

One of the people in that hallway had a galli. Nub.

Thansal · August 2004

Ha.ze

You Win!

Some one has to make Stair Dismount for this!!

hehe

make a recue level, and place all of the hostages at the tops of interesting objects.

have weapons just sitting around (same as those stupid speedball maps) and just have fun! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

TheMuffinMan · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ha.ze @ Aug 25 2004, 01:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheMuffinMan @ Aug 19 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> God, this game is beautiful. As has been said before, the subtlety of the effects make this look so much better than doom3 and farcry. I love the ragdoll effects in the above image, making the one terrorist corpse on the left sit up.

By the way, if anyone is looking for a free hosting site for pictures, try <a href='http://www.picgoo.com' target='_blank'>http://www.picgoo.com</a>. You dont need to sign up and can host pictures up to 250kb in *edit* Or it would if i could get it to work :/ </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
*triple post for teh w1n!1111*

One of the people in that hallway had a galli. Nub.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
That was me. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

TychoCelchuuu · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Aug 24 2004, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 24 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john6doe6 @ Aug 24 2004, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Aug 24 2004, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (6john6doe6 @ Aug 24 2004, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> do the bodies collide with other bodys? like can they be stacked? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I don't think so, though they may. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
ah comon, how could valve not impement that. it makes EVERYTHING look so much better. that was one of my favorite things about deus ex 2, it was the first time i saw a game where bodies collided with other bodies. i spent hours just piling bodys up. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Because then you could block a doorway with bodies, camp there, and shoot everyone when they run through the corpses. Griefing galore. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Soldiers do that in real life... well they stack bodies in front of them and use them as makeshift cover.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Are you telling me that in a game where whether or not you buy a helmet your model is always the same, or in a game where you can be shot in the leg by a high powered sniper rifle and jump around, or in a game where special forces operatives are forced to buy weapons and ammo each round, that you want it to be more realistic? Because body piling up isn't the first thing you're going to change.

coil · August 2004

Tycho, there's a difference between rules of the game and the laws of physics. q:

Emsee · August 2004

I thought it was so that the corpse didn't block hallways etc. Thats why there's no collision, the same with the smaller physics objects, like cans etc. as it would probably get annoying falling over bodies all the time.
It's another one of those gameplay over realism things. It would be cool if bodies thrown about from a HE grenade could collide with people though...

TommyVercetti · August 2004

Yea like the barrel that killed me when it got thrown at me by a HE nade (my own).

Haze · August 2004

I think the bodies SHOULD stack, but you cant move them around. Instead you can simple run over them, or if its really outragous, a simple jump, not a problem.

CommunistWithAGun · August 2004

I was shocked to see the average CS player stack barrels on the bomb after its planted to confuse cts. lol

ThE_HeRo · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 25 2004, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I was shocked to see the average CS player stack barrels on the bomb after its planted to confuse cts. lol  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Smart. I'm shocked too. I wish I could play the beta. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

DOOManiac · August 2004

Its actually not that smart. The only way the CT would miss it is if he is blind and deaf, and the barrel isn't wide enough to prevent the CT from standing next to the barrel and still defusing the bomb.

The only thing I've seen come out of this trick is either the T's getting shot in the back while trying to arrange barrels or them sticking around so long to do it they get themselves blown up. Heh.

Haze · August 2004

Hawt. I'd make a little barrel fortress.

DOOManiac · August 2004

Hey you! Drunky.

Yes that's right I'm calling you a drunky, and there's nothing you can do about it because I'm in my impenetrable fortress!

Haze · August 2004

lol I'd love to see a little barrel fortress set up right next to the bomb with all the Ts behind it. When the bomb goes boom everything flies and cool ragdoll physics occur.. oh yeah.

MedHead · August 2004

I wonder what it will be like when ragdoll physics become mundane, something found in every game. Just pondering, no real point.

Swiftspear · August 2004

I've personally been pondering the implimentation of animation/ragdoll physics into games, assign ragdoll movements to the model's falling patern and and certian limbs, but cause animations to force realistic concious resistance to other limbs and joints. Realistic tourtured looking deaths, no more 'that one last bullet caused a total system shutdown' deaths.

TychoCelchuuu · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 25 2004, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I wonder what it will be like when ragdoll physics become mundane, something found in every game. Just pondering, no real point.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Well, hopefully games can keep up the constant string of "LOL THATS COOL LOLOL" stuff. Shadows, bump mapping, ragdoll physics, and who knows what's next?

MedHead · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, hopefully games can keep up the constant string of "LOL THATS COOL LOLOL" stuff. Shadows, bump mapping, ragdoll physics, and who knows what's next?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yeah, as long as the game is fun, these kind of things can be interesting.

So... is Counter-Strike fun, or is it still in the ogle stage?

Quaunaut · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 25 2004, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, hopefully games can keep up the constant string of "LOL THATS COOL LOLOL" stuff. Shadows, bump mapping, ragdoll physics, and who knows what's next? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, as long as the game is fun, these kind of things can be interesting.

So... is Counter-Strike fun, or is it still in the ogle stage?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Definately fun. Just make sure you're with friends.

BlaqWolf · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 26 2004, 02:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, hopefully games can keep up the constant string of "LOL THATS COOL LOLOL" stuff. Shadows, bump mapping, ragdoll physics, and who knows what's next? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, as long as the game is fun, these kind of things can be interesting.

So... is Counter-Strike fun, or is it still in the ogle stage?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
i think it's a blast. the beta plays just like the original, only with all the sweet effects.

i really like the animations too. very fluid. but i'm having problems...

i play it in a lan with sv_cheats on, and when i go to third person my guy gets messed up. he doesn't have a gun in his hands and he runs funny, like the animation is trying to play but doesnt... also, if i jump off a building, i can see the view model hands (the ones you see in first person) directly under me... it's kinda creepy...

anyone else run into this and know how to fix it?

Crono5 · August 2004

Over the internet as a standard pubber game, de_dust gets boring after the first few rounds :X

ThE_HeRo · August 2004

I can't wait for them to release de_aztec. We know its done. GIVE IT!

(1000th post! Oh happy days!)

Quaunaut · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ThE HeRo @ Aug 25 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I can't wait for them to release de_aztec. We know its done. GIVE IT!

(1000th post! Oh happy days!)  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
They AREN'T.

I wish idiots would stop spreading these rumors- this beta is dust only, its not a CS beta, its a Source beta.

Ratonetwothreetwoone · August 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BlaqWolf @ Aug 25 2004, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Aug 26 2004, 02:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 25 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, hopefully games can keep up the constant string of "LOL THATS COOL LOLOL" stuff. Shadows, bump mapping, ragdoll physics, and who knows what's next? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, as long as the game is fun, these kind of things can be interesting.

So... is Counter-Strike fun, or is it still in the ogle stage? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i think it's a blast. the beta plays just like the original, only with all the sweet effects.

i really like the animations too. very fluid. but i'm having problems...

i play it in a lan with sv_cheats on, and when i go to third person my guy gets messed up. he doesn't have a gun in his hands and he runs funny, like the animation is trying to play but doesnt... also, if i jump off a building, i can see the view model hands (the ones you see in first person) directly under me... it's kinda creepy...

anyone else run into this and know how to fix it? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
no, thats the way it is

edit: at least thats the way it is for me

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