Intel Or Amd
343_guilty_spark
Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17462Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Confuddled</div> I've been pondering all weekend what processor to have for my new computer i have a choice of going for a slightly cheaper:
AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-53 Processor with HyperTransport Technology
Specifications
Frequency 2.4 GHz
Bus Frequency 1600 MHz
Level 1 Cache 128 KB
Level 2 Cache 1 MB Advanced Transfer
**Alienware® USB 2.0 Flash Drive
Due to BIOS limitations, bootability is currently not supported on AMD based systems. (This means what?)
Or the £20 more expensive;
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 560 w/ HT Technology 3.6GHz 1MB Cache
Specifications
Processor Speed 3.6 GHz
System Bus Speed 800 MHz
Level 2 Cache 1 MB
Package Type LGA 775-pin
Lastly does anyone know if the ATI RADEON™ X800 XT Platinum Edition 256MB DDR3 can get decent frame rates for STALKER or would i be better off with the (Heavily more expensive) NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP ?
AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-53 Processor with HyperTransport Technology
Specifications
Frequency 2.4 GHz
Bus Frequency 1600 MHz
Level 1 Cache 128 KB
Level 2 Cache 1 MB Advanced Transfer
**Alienware® USB 2.0 Flash Drive
Due to BIOS limitations, bootability is currently not supported on AMD based systems. (This means what?)
Or the £20 more expensive;
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 560 w/ HT Technology 3.6GHz 1MB Cache
Specifications
Processor Speed 3.6 GHz
System Bus Speed 800 MHz
Level 2 Cache 1 MB
Package Type LGA 775-pin
Lastly does anyone know if the ATI RADEON™ X800 XT Platinum Edition 256MB DDR3 can get decent frame rates for STALKER or would i be better off with the (Heavily more expensive) NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP ?
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Due to BIOS limitations, bootability is currently not supported on AMD based systems. (This means what?)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You cannot boot your system from a flash disk yet. If you want to do that, you will have to wait for a bios update. Chances are you will never need to boot from a flash drive.
I would argue for the Intel. The processors seem similar in comparison with their specs. In addition 64 bit processors have yet to be fully utilized. I have always had good luck with the Intel sets. (still has a 1.4 Athlon and a 2.0 p4)
Go check out some benchmarks for thos processors. That would be the best idea.
You kids with your buying the highest end electronics. I love you! Push the prices down on the next to high end equipment for us bargain hunters.
Go with ATI, definitely. Talesin will be here to tell you why in 5... 4... 3... 2...
For Doom 3 supporters, get Nvidia 6800
For all your other gaming needs, get Xbox, PS2 and GQ. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-53 Processor with HyperTransport Technology
Specifications
Frequency 2.4 GHz
Bus Frequency 1600 MHz
Level 1 Cache 128 KB
Level 2 Cache 1 MB Advanced Transfer
**Alienware® USB 2.0 Flash Drive
Due to BIOS limitations, bootability is currently not supported on AMD based systems. (This means what?)
Or the £20 more expensive;
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 560 w/ HT Technology 3.6GHz 1MB Cache
Specifications
Processor Speed 3.6 GHz
System Bus Speed 800 MHz
Level 2 Cache 1 MB
Package Type LGA 775-pin
Lastly does anyone know if the ATI RADEON™ X800 XT Platinum Edition 256MB DDR3 can get decent frame rates for STALKER or would i be better off with the (Heavily more expensive) NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go AMD, its the best processor you can get on the market atm(They have proven that it really don't matter how fast your computer runs in terms of GHz). Benchmarks have all proven this don't try and argue with me. As for your video card, personally I would wait a couple months for the 6600 series(A LOT CHEAPER than the X800 XT and 6800 Ultra but it looks like you wanna buy something now. In that case I would get NVidia but yes, I am an NVidia fanboy so to be less bias I would suggest you look over the intarnet and find out which card is best for you, because both cards have their weaknesses and powers. For instance if you find yourself playing more OpenGL games, go for the 6800 Ultra, if you find yourself playing more DirectX Games, then go for the X800 XT.
[edit] to clarify, AMD is hands down the best processor ATM, and both the top level cards are amazing, but will have little future upgradeability unless they are run off of PCI-X slots, which is why you need to either wait for AMD boards to support PCI-X, or new pentium technology to come out that will allow them to compete on the high end consumer market with AMD again...
Agreed and doing the same. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Although most "gamers" would probably say AMD, there really isn't that much of a difference between processors ATM.
I would definitely go for the ATI RADEON™ X800 XT if you can get it, because personally I've known of too many people with bad experiences with Nvidia cards, but then some people have problems with the ATI cards too, so you just might to look into both of them some more. And personally I like the pentiums much more then the AMD's because of problems I've had with computers containing AMD processors, <b>BUT</b> it looks like that AMD processor you're looking at is 64 bit which is definitely more future proof. But in the end I actually think you should wait a few more months and wait and see what comes out.
The X800 XTPE is currently the most monstrous card on the market right now... plus, it stays in a single slot, only requires *one* power lead, and does colour calculations correctly (unlike the nVidias, whic have to cut color calcs to appear competative).
I would get a board that has a PCI express slot and get like a x800
I'd rather go with the Athlon xp mobile becuase you can overclock it and save lots of money for a cooler for the cpu and or the video card.
The X800 XTPE is currently the most monstrous card on the market right now... plus, it stays in a single slot, only requires *one* power lead, and does colour calculations correctly (unlike the nVidias, whic have to cut color calcs to appear competative). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Totally Agree.
Even though i am an nVidia fan i would still say go with the ATI card till nVidia sort themselves out. Although i see no difference in the output from the 2 cards ATI seem to be ahead at the moment.
CPU, there is no other choice than AMD. Pentium seem to be really loosing grip, and even with HT technology are still stomped on then devoured <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo--> by AMD. Also as an example pentium are now having to work from some amd concets after they found that thei 64Bit CPU couldnt run 32Bit apps, where as the AMD's could do both at a blistering speed.
I would get a board that has a PCI express slot and get like a x800
I'd rather go with the Athlon xp mobile becuase you can overclock it and save lots of money for a cooler for the cpu and or the video card. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would you want a mobile CPU in a desktop??
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"I'd rather go with the Athlon xp mobile becuase you can overclock it and save lots of money for a cooler for the cpu and or the video card." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats why.
Peronally I would go AMD & ATi. I'm currently with Intel whic I'd rather not be, and just switched from Nvidia to ATi.
You'll more likely want a Venus 7 or 8 for cooling, which are inexpensive, and still have a solid copper base. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You'll more likely want a Venus 7 or 8 for cooling, which are inexpensive, and still have a solid copper base. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh, if you have money for top of the line graphics cards and top of the line processers, shell out a couple more bucks and jump for the liquid cooling, at least that way you can squeeze a good few extra Mg out of your processor with no real risk.
<a href='http://www.hardocp.com/reviews.html?cat=Ng==' target='_blank'>Liquid cooler reviews</a>, if your interested...
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-482&depa=1' target='_blank'>Athlon XP Moblie 3000 Barton= $143.00</a>
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-459&depa=1' target='_blank'>AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB L2 Cache, Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor - Retail= $885.00://AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB...l= $885.00://AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB...l= $885.00</a>
thats a $742 difference....
I would just save that money and wait until 64 bit programs are moe common so the prices drop... The only reason that the 64bit cose $900 is that Intel hasn't come up with a 64 bit yet, so AMd can rule how much they want to charge for it.
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-482&depa=1' target='_blank'>Athlon XP Moblie 3000 Barton= $143.00</a>
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-459&depa=1' target='_blank'>AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB L2 Cache, Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor - Retail= $885.00://AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB...l= $885.00://AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB...l= $885.00://AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 FX-53, 1MB...l= $885.00</a>
thats a $742 difference....
I would just save that money and wait until 64 bit programs are moe common so the prices drop... The only reason that the 64bit cose $900 is that Intel hasn't come up with a 64 bit yet, so AMd can rule how much they want to charge for it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But socket 939-940 chips are going to be increadibly common in the near future, as the socket size is pretty much brand new. What you really need to wait for in the high end market is socket 940 boards that come with PCI-X slots, like I said before. Anything lower end than that means your gonna be replacing your mobo in less then a year if you expect to stay in the high end market anyways. A 940 socket mobo with PCI-X will sit at the top of the line with only parts upgrades for as long as 3 years when they come out, and even after that it will still be a force to be reconed with amounst other computers of that time.
Meh, you could wait forever to upgrade becasue parts will always be getting better. But you so rarely see an advance that AMD/PCI-X would be in motherboard technology that its the kind of thing you really need to jump on when it starts to loom just over you...
That, was the coolest spelling error ever.
^_^
(Not to detract from your post, which was dead-on accurate)
Socket 940 came out a little while ago, and the CPU's that go with it are ****ing fast mofos. PCI-X also came out a short while ago, and it is potentially capable of running vidcards that are easily as much as 2 times as powerful as the current top of the line. Problem is that the 2 new features haven't been put into the same mobo as of yet (with the exeption of tyan's dual CPU mobo's, which aren't high preformance upgradable machines, but rather industry level power). I would guess it would be less than 3 months before someone finally puts PCI-X into a single CPU AMD mobo, but it could be as much as 6-8 months <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Socket 940 came out a little while ago, and the CPU's that go with it are ****ing fast mofos. PCI-X also came out a short while ago, and it is potentially capable of running vidcards that are easily as much as 2 times as powerful as the current top of the line. Problem is that the 2 new features haven't been put into the same mobo as of yet (with the exeption of tyan's dual CPU mobo's, which aren't high preformance upgradable machines, but rather industry level power). I would guess it would be less than 3 months before someone finally puts PCI-X into a single CPU AMD mobo, but it could be as much as 6-8 months <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh I could probably wait about 4 months but by then I _WILL_ buy a new computer just to play DOOM3 and Half-Life 2.
Anyways thanks for the swift reply. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[edit] gramahr
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I now its faster, but my friend said the 64 bit barely makes any difference on 32 bit applications.
<a href='http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-482&depa=1' target='_blank'>Athlon XP Moblie 3000 Barton= $143.00</a><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally I like the sock-754s since they're [relatively] cheap, and from all accounts there is a noticeable increase in performance in games. $175 for a 3000+ Ath64 on newegg, i believe.