I Just Have A Simple Question ...
Creamystew
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7188Members
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7188Members
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Agreed, why exactly was the siege cannon put in? Marines clear out buildings fast enough with grenades.
But sometimes they gets anoying, eg. on ns_bast the marines can put a siegecannon in their base to prevent the aliens from expanding to a nearby expansion.
And i have also noticed times when the siegecannons doesnt seems to do any damage at all to alien structures. It was on ns_bast and we had the marines surounded. We had built 3 offence chambers and one defence chamber at the airlock just outside the marine base. They then constructed at least 4 siegecannons, and they started to pound the chambers. But to my suprise nothing happened to them. So it ended up in the SCs shooting at our chambers for over half the game, making the airlock way to the marine base impossible to get through without getting killed by the siegecannons.
and of course, the marines tend to stay in groups yes?
Well how are the marines gonna win if they dont have enough team members to defend all the hives? Simple they fortify a hive, drop a seige, some phase gates and then go. Seiges are very useful for taking out hives, especially once proper tactics are being used. They were used all the time in the playtesters frontline tales because they were the most effective way. You couldnt just run in with a GL cos a fade would blink up behind you or something.
Agreed. More times that once the seige turret has successfully ended a game for my team. Sometimes it has even forces the other team to do something so drastic they won. If anything its meant to spur gameplay. It can really give the aliens that sense of urgency the need to mount a good offense. On the other hand it is perhaps not expensive enough. There is nothing like taking a few resources at the beginning of a game and getting that TF, upgrade it, and plot a seige turret out making it impossible for the aliens to ever get defense towers close to the base in order to mount a gorilla tactic style of attack.
Thats exactly it though. It SHOULD take them huge amounts of resources to attack a hive. Not fight to somewhere close to it then set up a wall hack cannon.
If you have a team that is anywhere competant, they fight their way to one hive and set up a second base there. Game over pretty much. If the marines want to take out the hive of a blood thirsty alien infestation, it should cost them heaps to do.
I dont know about balence or anything, just seems to me that taking a hive should be a big undertaking not 2 gren guys and a heavy.
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is right in line with my thinking. In many games, a siege turret goes up and the aliens start saying "Damn! Siege turret! We need to attack and get rid of that thing!"
I think the siege turret is a fair counter to the ability of alien gorges to throw out insane numbers of towers. One thing that frustrates me about it though is that it can kill players. There is nothing more frustrating than getting killed by a turret that shot you through a wall, especially when it's not even targetting players. If that little extra "bonus" were removed (I don't think it's necessary anyway), I would have no problems with the siege turret.
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is right in line with my thinking. In many games, a siege turret goes up and the aliens start saying "Damn! Siege turret! We need to attack and get rid of that thing!"
I think the siege turret is a fair counter to the ability of alien gorges to throw out insane numbers of towers. One thing that frustrates me about it though is that it can kill players. There is nothing more frustrating than getting killed by a turret that shot you through a wall, especially when it's not even targetting players. If that little extra "bonus" were removed (I don't think it's necessary anyway), I would have no problems with the siege turret.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, thats basically the thing that is unfair, is the fact it can shoot through walls. It can be very exploitive.
I was playing a few games today and I found that once you get a structure built, the siege wont even damage it......If there is a siege and you put down a building and it hasnt started building, it will kill it though, and you in the process, if your near. This needs more testing though.
If you've ever played a highly competitive game of NS with two highly skilled teams, you would know that a frontal assault on a heavily guarded hive is madness, and will 9 times out of 10 result in a squad of dead marines, regardless of how many or how equipped, if the aliens have 2 or 3 hives at the time.
And to the person who's complaining about marines setting up a siege guarded by 6 turrets, don't. It takes a hell of a lot of time to set up even just a siege cannon, let alone a siege and 6 turrets. Not to mention that that's ~25 for the factory, ~25 for the upgrade, ~25 for the cannon, ~20 per turret, for a cost of nearly 200 resources spent. And if you let them get that many turrets up, you deserve to lose their hive. Always, always, always try your hardest to know where the marines are, and more importantly where they're going, and you can always come out with at least a fairly good chance of coming out on top.
NS is a strategic game much more than it is a shooting game. If one team has a better strategy, they will win 9 times out of 10 versus a highly skilled team. And believe me, I know this from first hand experience. I've played games where I get killed by marines simply because they have great FPS skills. But my team has the better overall strategy, so we come out on top.
Well I know it sounds strange but I played 2 games where sieges did not do any damage to my offense , it just kept attacking for the rest of the game but nothing was damaged. This might just happen sometimes if it hurt your stuff. Another bug I guess
It's possible that there were defensive towers around that were healing the other towers.
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WE all know that when a siege is actually doing damage, no amount of defense towers can stand up to that.....think about it dude, 300+ damage per hit and maybe 5 defense chambers doing 10 or so each....You do the math
RTFM!!!
if you did, you should know that there is NO "shell" involved. that is, there is no bullet.
its uses a high velocity sonic blast (one biggin' blast of air and sound) to do damage and thus because its "sound" it can go through walls.
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RTFM!!!
if you did, you should know that there is NO "shell" involved. that is, there is no bullet.
its uses a high velocity sonic blast (one biggin' blast of air and sound) to do damage and thus because its "sound" it can go through walls.
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No one said it had a shell **obscenity**.....We all know its sonic, but it should still have line of sight. Please dont add more stupidity to my post, k, thanks.
Read the Manual for a more detailed explanation. That should put to rest all "OMG TEH SIEEGE IS SO UNREAALISTSIC SOUDN CANT SHOOT THREW WALLSSS0RZ!" type posts.
Read the Manual for a more detailed explanation. That should put to rest all "OMG TEH SIEEGE IS SO UNREAALISTSIC SOUDN CANT SHOOT THREW WALLSSS0RZ!" type posts.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, thats not even my point, I dont care what the hell it is.....something that shoots through walls shouldnt be added unless aliens have some **obscenity** like that. Think logic...K, thanks..