Ripent Map Project Needs Help

Sandman · July 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">onos is getting stuck</div> I am working on converting a CS map to NS. I got everything working nicely but the only thing left to complete my project is that dreaded issue where onos is getting stuck.

Is there any way to get the nshulls.txt data into the map through the entity list? If so, how?

Emoo · July 2004

Get the NS hulls in to the map is done during compiling its not an actuall entity.

perso · July 2004

Before anyone else does it, I will need to point you to the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=34' target='_blank'>Mapping help and troubleshooting sub forums</a>.

I'm not really sure if this is what you asked, but you need to add this switch to the hlcsg.exe compiler: -hullfile "C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\email@domain.com\half-life\nsp\nshulls.txt"

Wolv · July 2004

The simple answer is: no, you can't get the information of nshulls.txt into the map. This information is used by the compile tools when the map is generated to create the clipping hulls and there's no way you can change these once they're created.

You could always run your "fun" map in a 1.04 server...

Olmy · July 2004

Or you could just get used to jumping when you try to upgrade.

Sandman · July 2004

Okay, so there is no way to implament the hulls text data into a map via ripent. I kinda feared that.

I have another question though. What is the "compile_paramiters" entity used for? It does have a paramiter for "hullfile". Since I use the SHLCT frontend compiler and zoner 2.5.3 tools, can't I just rename the .ent file to a .map file ( with the compile_paramiters entity ) and recompile it by just updating the entity list?

I refuse to believe that this just can't be done. There must be another option.

prsearle · July 2004

The info_compile_parameters entity is used to pass parameters to the compile tools. It's an alternative to passing the parameters individually on the command-line. It's only used during compilation; it's not used when the map is loaded in-game. The "hullfile" keyvalue is used by hlcsg.exe as an alternative to the "-hullfile" switch.

There's no easy way to alter the collision hulls in a compiled map - changing the hull size requires essentially recomputing them from scratch. The servers that run converted maps use (I believe) a custom server plugin to prevent the player getting stuck.

Sandman · July 2004

Okay, I tried recompiling with the default zoner 2.5.3 tools and it does not read the nshulls.txt file. It just says:
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>hullfile [ None ] [ None ]</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
but still manages to run the vis calculations.

The map turns out very much so playable but the onos gets stuck.

I tried XP_Cagey's modified zoners 2.5.3 / 17p15 tools and it DOES read the info_compile_parameters and even sets the nshulls.txt file BUT fails to run the vis calculations needed.

Since it won't run the vis calculations, the map won't load in half-life or botmans BSP veiwer.

I really wish XP-Cagey could help me with this.

Wolv · July 2004

Once more to make sure you understand:

In order to update the hullfile the map would have to be recompiled with the original .map file as a source. Since you don't have that .map file you're in tough luck.
Theoretically it should be possible to create a very complex program that somehow locates the fourth clipping hull, uses it with a new hullsize to create a third clipping hull and have that one overwrite the original third. Unfortunately, even if this very complex operation is finished it would most likely break the BSP tree and cause even more trouble.
Also, as you may have noticed, XP-Cagey has been employed in the industry and is no longer allowed to work outside his current company, even if it's for free.

You could also decompile the CS map, just take a look at <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43856' target='_blank'>this 117 page thread</a> to give you an idea of the amount of work involved...

In short: Not Gonna Happen <span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>tm</span>.

Ripent Map Project Needs Help

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