Natural Selection Criticism

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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn "War is the science of destruction" - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NSPlayer5+Jul 30 2004, 02:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayer5 @ Jul 30 2004, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After reading the thread about the discrimination thing, Iv'e come to the conclusion that this fourm should be run however it wants to be run. This is indeed a private froum because people have to register and not a public fourm. It is indeed associated with the company that is making NS. But I don't you agree that this forum is still discrimatory a little bit? Some of the poss that was linked by some guy to Federalist's list of posts seem not to be very thought out. That can mean that NS is kind of giving people with unique and special though orocesses a hard time. Furthermore I believe that while NS is one of the best mods for the Half-Life, I believe that it is unfair to be so deticated in this one game. It seams like people spend more time on these fourms than actually playing the game. Ther are a lack of good servers and full servers by players. In all on steam there are few servers that are actually active. In contrast to the posts per day on these fourms it seems like people are just here to think that they are better than other Mod communities. Like a feeling that they are superior than people who play CS. It seems to me more people play cs than care about the fourms.

    To my point about NS. I feel that it is a rip off game... NS is probablly "inspired" by Starcraft, Gloom, Aliens movies/games and than to blatenly try to copyright it is offenive. The term Natural Selection is coined by Darwin. And for Flayra to steal it and put it in a game and then copyright it so no others can use the name is obtuse. You shouldn't steal a term and use it and then copyright it so no other groups can use the name in a game or whaever. I suppose I can start a mod for HALF-LIFE 2 and call it Natural Selection. Does it matter if it gets objected to? NS has no case because it stole a term for itself. Can I use NS what do you think? Also maybe I can make the gameplay be inspired by NS but not identical? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its no secret that NS was inspired by Alien , Starcraft, and the likes of other games. Its not illegal.

    Thats like saying Everquest was inspired by ultima online.

    And Command and Conquer was inspired by Warcraft and dune.

    Some of the official mappers even admit to modelling there maps too look like the enviroments in Aliens. (ns_nothing anyone?)
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fecal_Species+Jul 30 2004, 03:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fecal_Species @ Jul 30 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jul 30 2004, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was responding to his ignorant comment with a harsh rebuttal. I really don't see how I'm being a hypocrite. Arguing is perfectly in keeping with forum rules, I however am denouncing both his and your attempts to disrupt these boards. And furthermore, if you really want to get into a political discussion then let's go. Note that - at 16 years old - I have yet to join or even consider joining either party, but as you seem to be so dedicated to the Democrats I will attack them. Did you see Rev. Sharpton's speech at the convention? I for one thought it was eloquent and exciting; it galvanized the crowd. Yet the talking heads and the Democratic leaders were DISMAYED by the speech! You want to know why? Because it actually related to the common man, it gave promises the Democrats feared they would not be able to keep. They plan to win on the premise of being the "other" candidate, the "anybody-but-Bush" strategy. Well, guess what, they're no better than the Republicans. All I've heard so far is a bunch of evasive rhetoric about "hope is on the way" which holds no substance. Not that I particularly adore Bush, but realistically the Democrats aren't going to change anything. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good God, man, you need to stop using such BIG WORDS like "galvanized" and "eloquent" and "rhetoric" before you scare all of us away!

    I can't believe nobody has elected you for POTUS yet!!! U R SO SMRT! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sorry if the vocabulary I use to debate you is too advanced for you to grasp. No actually I'm not. God forbid I try to inject a semblance of order into this discussion.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS used the copyrighted photos from movies. Thanks for convicting NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You really don't understand copyrights do you? How do you know that that photo was copyrighted? Hell how do you know that photo is even from that particular movie? Furthermore, the internet is part of the public domain now. That is the beauty of the Internet, the ability to share information such as pictures. If you think the Natural-selection.org is the first webstie to use that picture, you are mistaken. Oh and bye the way, this website does not represent Unknown Worlds. There is a separate website for Unknown Worlds; though this website was created by that company it is not the official website. Natural Selection isn't even a company, it's a copyrighted name of a game, which wasn't "stolen from science". Biology isn't a company, and as such natural selection was not a copyrighted term, just an often-used term.
  • IceBaronIceBaron Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13954Members
    what exactly are you expecting from this thread?
    Most of the people here enjoy the game.
    Most people that don't enjoy the game, don't play it and don't troll the forums...
    Your existence here is flawed, I suggest suicide.
  • AaronAaron vroom vroom der party startah Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7020Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NSPlayer5+Jul 30 2004, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayer5 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To my point about NS.  I feel that it is a rip off game...  NS is probablly  "inspired" by Starcraft, Gloom, Aliens movies/games and than to blatenly try to copyright it is offenive.  The term Natural Selection is coined by Darwin.  And for Flayra to steal it and put it in a game and then copyright it so no others can use the name is obtuse.  You shouldn't steal a term and use it and then copyright it so no other groups can use the name in a game or whaever.  I suppose I can start a mod for HALF-LIFE 2 and call it Natural Selection.  Does it matter if it gets objected to?  NS has no case because it stole a term for itself.  Can I use NS what do you think?  Also maybe I can make the gameplay be inspired by NS but not identical?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <b>0h n0! Flayra has st0le 0ur w0rds! OMG HAX!</b>

    Seriously dude - you have a majorly immature understanding of copyright and trademark. Flayra and Natural Selection have done absolutely nothing wrong - neither legally nor morally.

    But I guess I can't say this because all these words are in copyrighted books, oh no! For that matter, I bet I can't even type "Coca Cola" - damn, run, hide, the police are coming!
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fecal_Species+Jul 30 2004, 03:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fecal_Species @ Jul 30 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jul 30 2004, 03:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> God forbid I try to inject a semblance of order into this discussion. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is exactly why I think you're an idiot.

    You are posting in a thread started by a known troll and you are continuing to provide fodder for him. You seem to think, however, that "his chaos" is something bad that doesn't belong on the boards, yet you legitimize it by posting replies. What is it that you hope to accomplish in this thread? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Okay, so if you admit he is a troll and his actions should be frowned upon, why do you insist on arguing with me about said actions?

    Oh and right now I'm really trying to help this guy, because I know that he still doesn't understand why he continues to be banned and yelled at, and I feel sorry for him. Also I know if we don't straighten him out then he'll just be back again.

    Either you think he's a troll and therefore you should shut up and stay out of this, as you have brought nothing constructive to the table, or you continue to defend his right to continue to post in violation of forum rules, in which case you should still shut up before you find yourself in hot water.
  • morphzmorphz Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15640Members, Constellation
    LOOOOOOOOOOL shut up please
  • Jink_JinkJink_Jink Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14348Members
    someone please lock this....
  • crazynetcrazynet Join Date: 2004-05-13 Member: 28647Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    Here is my 2 cents on the naming thing... Natural Selection is a term of science... and OMG Half Life is a term in science also OMG lets go and get Valve for making a game with the name of Half Life.

    Ok now I am happy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    *reported hope this gets locked*
  • Echo_69Echo_69 Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30227Members
    I agree with NSPlayer5, get off these forums and GO PLAY! Or get a life.
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    Ok by your thinking NS fourms is a private forum.
    Ns servers are private servers
    Iraq is a private country so they can do anything they want to their citizens?
    NS can do whatever they want to their members.

    So NS used copyrighted photos from the copyrighted movie.

    Can i make a mod for hl 2 called NS or what?
  • semipsychoticsemipsychotic Join Date: 2003-07-09 Member: 18061Members
    edited July 2004
    NOTHING TO SEE HERE. MOVE ALONG FOLKS. FEEDING THE TROLLS IS A FEDERAL CRIME.

    <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>FEED HIM, AND I WILL HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH A LARGE STICK. I'M HITTING MYSELF WITH IT FOR SIMPLY VIEWING THIS THREAD.</span>
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    we have swayed from the topic. does ns ahve the moral right to ban people that share their views?
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Echo_69+Jul 30 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Echo_69 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I agree with NSPlayer5, get off these forums and GO PLAY! Or get a life. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thank you for agreeing and lets watch ns fourms get shut down because they are hyporctites.
  • InsaneInsane Anomaly Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    Whoa! Chill pills all round! Seriously, the're on me.

    There's no point in getting worked up over this. For whatever reason, that's the reaction they want. I don't know, maybe it makes it easier to widthstand the taunts they get from the rest of the programming class.

    The best course of action would be to ignore their desperate pleas for attention.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok by your thinking NS fourms is a private forum.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, but not just by my thinking. It's a fact

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ns servers are private servers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, as far as I know servers admin themselves and therefore are private, reserving the right to ban you

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Iraq is a private country so they can do anything they want to their citizens?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here is where you logic peters out. If Iraq is a private country, what exactly is a public country? There is no such thing as a public country, therefore there is no such thing as a private country. A country is a country. And unlike private internet websites, countries can be influenced and regulated by people outside its borders. Not to mention the fact that killing and imprisoning people is a far cry from banning you from this forum. You really are starting to sound a lot like Scooter-Blue (not a good thing).

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS can do whatever they want to their members.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You are under no obligation to be here. In fact there are a million things you could do that would be better for you to do. I too should not spend so much time playing games and posting; it's just something I need to work on. However, in a dictatorship you ARE obligated to stay in the country, and that is why your comparison doesn't work.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So NS used copyrighted photos from the copyrighted movie.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Already discussed this one.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can i make a mod for hl 2 called NS or what?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Knock yourself out. However if NS stands for Natural Selection and the mod ever gains any publicity beyond you and your friends, I can guarantee you'll find a lawsuit on your doorstep.


    <!--QuoteBegin-NSPlayer5+Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayer5 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we have swayed from the topic.  does ns ahve the moral right to ban people that share their views? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You mean do the mods of this forum have the moral right to ban people who <u>don't</u> share their views (I'm assuming that was a typo on your part).

    Yes. Yes they do. Are you satisfied?
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-semi-psychotic+Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (semi-psychotic @ Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NOTHING TO SEE HERE. MOVE ALONG FOLKS. FEEDING THE TROLLS IS A FEDERAL CRIME.

    <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>SOMEBODY BAN HIS ENTIRE SUBNET.</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    if you were the dictator of Iraq waht would you do to the other factions opposing you?

    I'm sure if flayra, Nem Zero or coil were dictators they would use their power over teh people dont you agree?

    NS fourms show how you act in real life?
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Jul 30 2004, 03:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NSPlayer5+Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NSPlayer5 @ Jul 30 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we have swayed from the topic.  does ns ahve the moral right to ban people that share their views? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You mean do the mods of this forum have the moral right to ban people who <u>don't</u> share their views (I'm assuming that was a typo on your part).

    Yes. Yes they do. Are you satisfied? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ban people who share their views

    like the people's views

    the last noun was people
  • NSPlayer5NSPlayer5 Join Date: 2004-07-30 Member: 30253Banned
    do you blindly support this forums like you support Bush?

    I have a feeling that the majority of the people here support the republicans' views on social darwinism

    waht is next on your agenda flayra? racial darwism?
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    edited July 2004
    FFS, NSPlayer5 stop using bad exsamples, and if you quote this i'm gonna slap you.
    Also stop putting politics into this.
    Also "science words" aren't copyrighted. (and i don't think darwin is gonna sue Flayra)
  • EmooEmoo Ibasa Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11198Members
    Why isnt an admin here yet? Are you just watching this and having a laugh (I dont blame you if you are by the way) but plz lock this thread and stop this chaos please.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Emoo+Jul 30 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Emoo @ Jul 30 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why isnt an admin here yet? Are you just watching this and having a laugh (I dont blame you if you are by the way) but plz lock this thread and stop this chaos please. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Threads like this remind me I need to check my e-mail inbox for post reports on a more regular basis.
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