B5 Patch Status?

ace0man · July 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">What is going on!? News is a good thing!</div> Well I've looked on the main page and had a bit of a hunt around, and I can’t see any information on what is going on with the beta5 patch.

I have been waiting to start a tournament and don’t want the hassle/hold ups with starting and only to find out that the patch is then released.

I assume that now the CPL has started (Even though it appears that there are not any ns tournaments <a href='http://www.thecpl.com/extreme/index2.php?p=tournaments)' target='_blank'>http://www.thecpl.com/extreme/index2.php?p=tournaments)</a> that the patch will not be released for sometime?

Could I (we?) have some confirmation on this as the main page seems to be scare of such information.

Thanks for your time.

DragonMech · July 2004

1) It will be ready when it's done.
2) It is mostly bug fixes.
3) The devs do not know when this is, as a few large bugs are delaying release.

ace0man · July 2004

<span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>

It’s a simple question, and ties in with what was said on the main page about the CPL, but have yet to had an update since then.

It’s nice to keep your fans and people organizing events up-to-date so that we can achieve maximum enjoyment from the game.

romano · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dragon_Mech @ Jul 30 2004, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 1) It will be ready when it's done.
2) It is mostly bug fixes.
3) The devs do not know when this is, as a few large bugs are delaying release.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
His answer is actually dead on. There's a few bugs that are holding back release. Until said bugs are fixed, they will continue holding back release. There is no timeline.

Invader_Scoot · July 2004

But you most remember that "<i>mostly bug fixes</i>" can be very important updates for tournaments. Also those "<i>few big bugs</i>", were actually only 2 bugs, and 1 of those can only be fixed by VALVe.

edit: The <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/bt/main_page.php' target='_blank'>BugTracker</a> can be found <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/bt/main_page.php' target='_blank'>here</a>.

BobTheJanitor · July 2004

The mentioned problems holding up release were the PSHB (see stickied thread if you don't know what's going on here) and that obviously can't be holding it up anymore, and a crash for listenservers. Don't know anything about that. Can't even find it in the bugtracker actually. I think there are a few other problems implementing some bugfixes. Gestation on flat surfaces, knockback, jetpack performance changes, have all been listed with their fixes not quite working.

I'm sure the devs want to release the new version as much as we'd like to have it. Your best indicator is the bug tracker, keep an eye on that for an idea of how soon the release is coming.

ace0man · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jul 31 2004, 04:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The mentioned problems holding up release were the PSHB (see stickied thread if you don't know what's going on here) and that obviously can't be holding it up anymore, and a crash for listenservers. Don't know anything about that. Can't even find it in the bugtracker actually. I think there are a few other problems implementing some bugfixes. Gestation on flat surfaces, knockback, jetpack performance changes, have all been listed with their fixes not quite working.

I'm sure the devs want to release the new version as much as we'd like to have it. Your best indicator is the bug tracker, keep an eye on that for an idea of how soon the release is coming. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
PSHB is a valve problem according to another thread so nothing for the devs to do there?

[Edit]
Link to PSHB Thread <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=76081' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...showtopic=76081</a>
[/Edit]

DragonMech · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jul 30 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The mentioned problems holding up release were the PSHB (see stickied thread if you don't know what's going on here) and that obviously can't be holding it up anymore, and a crash for listenservers. Don't know anything about that. Can't even find it in the bugtracker actually. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>It would be hidden in an exterminator/mod/admin/dev-only section since it's so exploitable.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ace0man @ Jul 30 2004, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>PSHB is a valve problem according to another thread so nothing for the devs to do there?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>Correct. Valve is going to release a patch fairly soon - their servers are still having trouble with those DDoS attacks I think.

Nemesis_Zero · July 2004

The problem about frontpage updates right now is that we see an intense amount of back-end work on site and game, which moves the rest back in the priorities a little.

In any case, Dragon_Mechs answer is basically correct. Seeing that the deadline CPL has passed, it makes no sense to leave Beta 5, which is, as you might know, an attempt at creating a clean slate, shoddy. This does <i>not</i> mean "that the patch will not be released for sometime", 'some time' referring to any timeframe not measured in days. Thief and voog are in crunch mode, we'll see results soon.

semipsychotic · July 2004

And we all are learning to associate the word "soon" with the Valve patch on PSHB, B5, HL2, and the BUS.

[conspiracy]Does this mean that they're all going to come out at the same time?[/conspiracy]

waller · July 2004

Don't be silly, we all know HL2 is a myth..

Wirhe · July 2004

Natural Selection Forever is a myth. Oh, noes; it isn't! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Have to love those "It's done when it is done" -answers. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

XCan · July 2004

With the amount of BW availble on Steam's content server you would need an insane botnet to ddos it down. I don't believe a crap of Valve's excuses, Valve has lost much of its credibility for various known reasons (sure cs-fanboys will always be in the sect..). Funny how Valve blames ddos everytime their content servers get overloaded, and funny how everytime that happens there is an update released.

I don't give a damn about the "be patient" "give it some time". Why should I? I paid for my game I've every right to play it whenever I want, also to whine on the game's distro system. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

Echo_69 · July 2004

How do I log into the bug tracker?

camO_o · July 2004

the thing with the CPL hardly matters anymore, considering only 6 or 7 NS players showed up.

DragonMech · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Echo_69 @ Jul 30 2004, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How do I log into the bug tracker?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
The password and login is guest/guest.

semipsychotic · July 2004

To log into the bugtracker, the name is "guest" and the password is "guest". This allows you access to only view bugs flagged as public (private ones are ones that can be seriously exploited, or otherwise need to be kept away from us).

*EDIT* Dragon beat me by 2 minutes? It didn't even take 30 seconds to type out this post... oh well, he wins. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Echo_69 · July 2004

Alright thanks, i'll check 'em out.

Jabba_The_Hunt · July 2004

These last 3 or 4 months have seemed very much open ended, there has been so many good games due out Soon, and none of them have come yet, I can only hope they call come out soon and we end up with an amazing end to the year.

ace0man · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 31 2004, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The problem about frontpage updates right now is that we see an intense amount of back-end work on site and game, which moves the rest back in the priorities a little.

In any case, Dragon_Mechs answer is basically correct. Seeing that the deadline CPL has passed, it makes no sense to leave Beta 5, which is, as you might know, an attempt at creating a clean slate, shoddy. This does <i>not</i> mean "that the patch will not be released for sometime", 'some time' referring to any timeframe not measured in days. Thief and voog are in crunch mode, we'll see results soon. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Aaagghhhh!

Could you clarify what you said?

Were you trying to say that the patch will be released 'soon'?

Throw me a bone... (Please?)

Arawn · July 2004

I used to be really opposed to Steam; when it first came out I hated it along with everyone else because there were so many bugs. I think Valve has made up for their past mistakes, keeping in mind that a lot of people forgot that they were still testing it when they made it publicly available. I don't think they're making up that DDoS attack because if you think of 100's of machines sending maximum sized packets as fast as they can in addition to 100,000+ players playing a game in real-time it's going to have quite an effect. I was online (EARLY morning) when they got attacked and it was pretty crippling but thousands of players were still able to make it online.

The b5 patch will be released 'soon' because the team is close enough to finishing that they were confident enough to make release dates. They may not have met them, but working past a deadline tends to make people work faster to get it out as soon as possible because they feel more pressure from the tens of thousands of people who realize that they're late. I know this 'tournament' or whatever you're talking about must seem pretty important in your eyes but in reality it's not that big of a deal. The patch will be out eventually, just wait for it.

Chaos_Xero · July 2004

Echo, use

Login: guest
Password: guest

XCan · July 2004

1. They've 3.33gbit/s bw availble at the current time. On average maybe one bot could do 0.5mbit/s. Calculate that and see how many would be needed. I'm not saying it's impossible, it is very possible. But what a stupid target to choose...

2. How did they make things up? Before the code was stolen Valve said that the game was close to finish and would be released last September, later it turned out the code wasn't even close. What was Valve's excuse? "Well we only said late September, not which year.....

Valve begged, said they were seeing themselves as part of the community and expected the community to help them out. The community respected that and did help them out. Next thing we know Steam was dumped on the community despite the amount of people against it. Of course, they knew people would eventually HAVE to switch, all they needed to do was sit back and do nothing. Funny, all the sudden they would basicly say "**** the community, Steam is what will make us money!"

In the end, no matter what happens, or how bad Valve's games turn out to be. If it has something with CS in it, they will sell copies like hell due to the excessive memberships in the CS-cult.

Nemesis_Zero · July 2004

Can, I suggest you move those points into the appropriate forum (found at <a href='http://www.steampowered.com' target='_blank'>Steampowered.com</a>), since nobody reading you here can do anything about your issue.

Back on track.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ace0man)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Aaagghhhh!

Could you clarify what you said?

Were you trying to say that the patch will be released 'soon'?

Throw me a bone... (Please?)</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
The problem about throwing you any bone more specific is that I'd be running the danger of being a bigger lying scumbag than usual.
Here's the situation: The main work of Beta 5 is being done by voogru and Elven-Thief, Flayra working on BUS and UWE's future. Both are, while amazing coders, not yet fully familiar with NS' source, and while they get as much support as humanly possible, this is almost guaranteed to produce unforseen delays in the already highly unpredictable work of bugfixing. Everyone who ever worked on any piece of code knows that it's always difficult to assert how much time it'll take to identify and fix faults in it.
Beta 5 is, as I said, an attempt at a clan slate - a levelled, bug-cleaned playing field on which more frequent balance updates can be based. It makes little sense to release it before all (or at least as many as possible) big, gameplay affecting faults have been removed. Thus, I can only say this: That (as the bugtracker shows) work is one, at high speed, and that we won't keep the build to ourselves once the job's done.

ace0man · July 2004

Thanks that was sort of reply I was looking for.

Arawn · July 2004

<span style='color:white'>As I said, keep that stuff in O-T, or, preferrably, forums that are read by the responsible persons.</span>

Hologram0 · July 2004

Yes, please keep the anti steam comments to your self, they serve for nothing except inflamatory remarks and take us off topic.

On topic
When is this tornament your planning? It is Classic NS right" (not combat *hopes it isnt combat) How big is it? Its probally worth it to just play b4a, and tell them not to upgrade untill the tornament is done unless it is huge tornament it wont be more then a day or 2 with an outdated version...

Nemesis_Zero · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hologram0110 @ Jul 31 2004, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> When is this tornament your planning? It is Classic NS right" (not combat *hopes it isnt combat) How big is it? Its probally worth it to just play b4a, and tell them not to upgrade untill the tornament is done unless it is huge tornament it wont be more then a day or 2 with an outdated version...  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'm not involved in the tournaments organization, and can thus not make any statements regarding it.

Thansal · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 31 2004, 06:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Beta 5 is, as I said, an attempt at a clan slate  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
OMGZORZ!!!!
Teh BUS IS CLAN PLAY!!!!!
NS IS d00Med/s4v3d(pick one)!!!!111!!11

hehe
/me hands Nem a copy of Webster's again.

*ponders*
I realy shouldn't be commenting on anyone's spelling.

So B5 is just lots and lots of bug fixes, right?

yay <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

semipsychotic · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>So B5 is just lots and lots of bug fixes, right?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Let me clarify: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of bug fixes. It boggles the mind how many green-tagged "resolved" bugs have gone past so far in the bugtracker, which can be closed if they confirm the fix when B5 is released.

cortex · July 2004

*takes out his pom-pom's* Go Voogro go theif <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

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