Why Is An Order In A Submarine/ship Repeated?

StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
<div class="IPBDescription">just curious</div> Just saw Red October again on TV out of boredome and it brought up this question I had always wondered.

Why is it liek for example when a captain orders to go starboard for example, he relays it to the 2nd in command, then tht gets relayed to the navigator when they are all in the same room.

Is it like because just to be doubly sure or is it like because there is just so much noise around it needs to be passed along like that?

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  • NecroticNecrotic Big Girl&#39;s Blouse Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 53Members, NS1 Playtester
    Me and my flatmate just watched that and discussed the problems of unnescecerry middle management in submarine heirarchy and how best to optimize.

    GG ex Business students.

    If anyone knows the real answer to this please enlighten me so I feel less nerdish.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    It's to be doubly sure. Any mistake on a ship or sub can kill everybody on board.
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's to be doubly sure. Any mistake on a ship or sub can kill everybody on board<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmm, then in some movies like Red October its overexagerated (spellin?) cos I like see the captain give one order to the 2nd in command, tht gets relayed to another officer and then that officer relays it to the officer in charge of that control.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->discussed the problems of unnescecerry middle management in submarine heirarchy and how best to optimize.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    LOL...if the military took a business outlook and flattened their heirarchy and outsource it wont be military no more...be more like a huge security firm <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Can't wait till everything on a sub is automated such that you can control it all by one person. Direct order can happen then <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Fro5tyFro5ty Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21238Members, Constellation
    Well in a sub, you can't exactly leave your post as that everyone is assigned to one that requires their full attention when on the job. Not to mention it may stem back from the first appearance of submarines in the 1900's where they didn't exactly have modern day equipment to relay messages and relied on like a pony express system. The military doesn't change all too much in way communications are handled and what not.
  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods&#33; Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    I also have an interesting question after watching it.

    Why cast Sean Connery as a russian, did he sound at all russian to anyone else?

    <span style='color:green'>Edit:</span> Also why did he put someone on the helm that had no idea what he was doing
  • StormLiongStormLiong Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11569Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Jul 29 2004, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Jul 29 2004, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also have an interesting question after watching it.

    Why cast Sean Connery as a russian, did he sound at all russian to anyone else?

    <span style='color:green'>Edit:</span> Also why did he put someone on the helm that had no idea what he was doing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hehe indeed

    And i think the fact he put someone on the helm just shows how sophisticated some subs are then that it was that simple <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    I've always taken it as how the military works. The big guy doesn't tell the peon what to do, he tells the peon's boss to tell the peon what to do.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Scenario one: Commander goes to second guy goes to third goes to fourth goes to fifth. Third guy screws it up but commander hears it and corrects it.

    Scenario two: Commander goes to driver. Driver mishears him and they hit a whale.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Roffle, outsourcing the military.

    I think that's just called hiring mercenaries. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 29 2004, 07:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 29 2004, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Scenario two: Commander goes to driver. Driver mishears him and they hit a whale. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Bahahaha. that mental image made me laugh.
  • I_LiKe_DuCkSI_LiKe_DuCkS Join Date: 2004-02-08 Member: 26222Members
    Ask Ermey.

    <a href='http://www.historychannel.com/mailcall/mailcall.html' target='_blank'>http://www.historychannel.com/mailcall/mailcall.html</a>
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    Even in the army the squad leader often repeats an order twice or more. There is actually a whole article about it I read a while back; something having it to relate to memory recall...
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    when someone hears an order, they repeat it before doing it just to make sure it's right. inactivity is uaually better than activity (even though the guy is usually doing it by the time the captain has finished giving the order)
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    <img src='http://www.photosgallery14.com/DavidMiller/DavidMillerImages/Russia2003/01_OldSubmariner.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    scruffy can't hear so good anymore.
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    Red October (and Sean Connery) rock.
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.maritime.org/fleetsub/sonar/chap8.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.maritime.org/fleetsub/sonar/chap8.htm</a>
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Duff-Man+Jul 29 2004, 08:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Jul 29 2004, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Roffle, outsourcing the military.

    I think that's just called hiring mercenaries. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *Gasp "Defense contractors" *cough

    currently the US has about 25,000 in Iraq, from every thing from cooks to special "security specialists".

    They have even asked people I know in corrections and law enforcement who are ex military to go on over.

    The US governemnt offered my one friend $150,000 for working in Iraq for 6 months extendable to 1 year for an additional $150,000.

    Apparently its actually cheaper to pay someone a flat fee and no health benefits or insurance payments if a defense contracter is killed or wounded, unlike an enlisted soldier.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    GAH

    No benefits for being a Merc? Screw that!
    Can you imagine:
    Insurance guy: So What is your job and other known health risks?
    Merc: Well I get hired for stupid amounts of $$ to go places and get shot at. Oh and I smoke.
    I.G: Riiiight, thats just gona add a few thouseand to your basic bills.

    Oh, and as for the relaying. Probably had to do with back when they couldn't just radio it all and had to shout it from one end of a ship to the other.
  • BurncycleBurncycle Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited July 2004
    There you go medhed

    It's to make sure you don't bork it up. It's an oral confirmation that he understood your order and didn't misinterprit the numbers.
  • SiliconSilicon Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13683Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-antifreeze+Jul 29 2004, 05:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (antifreeze @ Jul 29 2004, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also have an interesting question after watching it.

    Why cast Sean Connery as a russian, did he sound at all russian to anyone else?

    <span style='color:green'>Edit:</span> Also why did he put someone on the helm that had no idea what he was doing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    obviously because he used to be james bond, duh... ;p
  • ScinetScinet Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12489Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-StormLiong+Jul 29 2004, 07:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (StormLiong @ Jul 29 2004, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> LOL...if the military took a business outlook and flattened their heirarchy and outsource it wont be military no more...be more like a huge security firm <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Stop laughing and google for CACI International. Absolutely not funny.
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