I don't see what people have against bug fixes. There comes a point when you have to stop and say "Look, we're making all these balance changes, but the game is adversely affected by all these bugs we've been neglecting in favour of balance changes."
I fully agree with Nem... bugs should ALWAYS be a first priority.
It's true. You really need to know how the game balances when it's running as intended before you go making changes. What if the knockback changes weaken marines in the next build? It's nice to know that and balance appropriately instead of balancing first and then fixing the knockback bug and finding that you've made marines incredibly weak.
<!--QuoteBegin-Delphi+Jul 21 2004, 01:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delphi @ Jul 21 2004, 01:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It'd be nice to see a non-damage parasite that takes much less energy to fire, is insta-hit, and travels infinatly.. Grepdashv, you have the best ideas. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The current parasite is already insta-hit (Called hitscan), and as far as I can tell, has an infinite range; just the other day I managed to parasite a marine that was so far away I could barely see him (Down a hallway and across a large room)... So if it's not infinite, it's far enough already.
As for removing damage and lower energy, I disagree with you on one of those two things. I agree that the damage should be removed, as it serves no purpose. However, the energy should not be decreased. Parasite is not a replacement for Scent of Fear, and one alien should not be able to permanently keep parasites on all marine players. If you're going to parasite a marine, considering how powerfull it is, you should have to work at it. It's already almost too easy to parasite someone.
oh btw, now blockscripts blocks +attack and +jump on mousewheel
so its indirectly mp_blockbhop now, cool <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well. Its great for the newbie and scrubsservers I guess. GG ignorance.
lets keep bh in and make it harder for new players to do <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyways....
you have seen the bug traker right? it is huge. all i want is list of changes done to the current build, not every little bug there is in the game.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 12:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just what we needed - stronger base turrets LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! YES OMG I <3 FLAYRA!!!!! It's okay no one wanted vinegar splash - I mean acid rocket fixed anyway. And no one uses Onos anyway but if there's one thing we need it's <b>more torrents commando!</b>
admin_csay red GG NS
admin_execall /quit
We wait fricken ages for a changelog and it finally comes and marines get even MORE powerful, crap that's been broken for ages is STILL broken, and the stupidest changes ever devised are STILL in the game. I suppose I should be thankful though, this is pretty much the first changelog we've seen where aliens didn't get nerfed even MORE.
<span style='color:white'>Calm down. Nobody will keep you from voicing your opinion, you don't have to scream.</span>
Sorry <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you know, i have never ever seen an enthusiastic post from you about anything besides the time you were asked to join the dev team... oh wait, that never happened. cheer up and be glad that a patch is coming, and get it out of your head that the dev team owns you anything, they don't.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hopefully they WILL pick up the pace because this is absurdity <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but I'm assuming we'll be back to the pre- Beta 3 schedule of fast releases.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I hope it too, but it doesn't really matter; downloading Tribes 2, HL Firearms, and HL2 mods are in the horizon. NS will be trampled in no time if it becomes a half-abandoned project. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NolSinklerOn the ClorfJoin Date: 2004-02-15Member: 26560Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-taboofires+Jul 21 2004, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (taboofires @ Jul 21 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Geez guys, it's not like Flay and the gang are going to move across the country every month.
We've gotten balance patches as quick as two weeks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LOL thats great...going in the sig.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Jul 21 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Jul 21 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, you'll only regenerate armor once your health is full, just like before. The only difference is that now the regen tick that fills up your health will overflow into armor as well, rather than just being cut off. It's a pretty small benefit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It means that a regen onos being shot by 3 turrets will maintain full armor, rather than slowly losing it for when marines finally arrive.
Anyone know if the gigantic huge bug that allows players to crash the clients of those around them in game is being fixed? Because that is just begging to be abused.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 05:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> words words words <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah totally you should take this game back and get a refund
oh, wai
this game is provided to you for free for your enjoyment and for the members of the development team to learn about game development and get practice/a start in the industry. if you don't like the game, don't play it. it really doesn't matter as the people making it are still finding out what they want to know about game development, and frankly i don't think anyone cares about how upset and/or disappointed you are about there not being daily updates
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone know if the gigantic huge bug that allows players to crash the clients of those around them in game is being fixed? Because that is just begging to be abused. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I saw that in the bugtracker a bit ago, before they classified it as private. It may or may not be fixed, the most we know is that the devs know it exists.
Info on the bugtracker: it is not exactly a dynamic changelog. It includes bugs in the game and a few SMALL feature requests (like showing jetpacks on the scoreboards, like heavies). Larger features either aren't shown there or they are classified private, but either way we can't see them. The bugtracker really is for the devs, not us, but we are allowed access to see if certain bugs have been reported already.
<!--QuoteBegin-titanium+Jul 22 2004, 09:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (titanium @ Jul 22 2004, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 05:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 05:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> words words words <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah totally you should take this game back and get a refund
oh, wai
this game is provided to you for free for your enjoyment and for the members of the development team to learn about game development and get practice/a start in the industry. if you don't like the game, don't play it. it really doesn't matter as the people making it are still finding out what they want to know about game development, and frankly i don't think anyone cares about how upset and/or disappointed you are about there not being daily updates <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop preaching.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Jul 22 2004, 07:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Jul 22 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He's just making a point we are all aware of but would like to ignore, since it's incredibly hard to argue with. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Um, I think he knows that he didn't pay to download the mod. Aaaaand?
And people forget that they are getting much more than what they paid for in this case. It's a simple and necessary reminder that the people working on this are human, and have put more time, money, and effort than required (Well, basically none was required). If their work does not meet up to the standards of someone, then that someone can take a hike.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 21 2004, 03:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 21 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the only changes are bug changs I will be sorely dissapointed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> does no one see what i see in this?
hello....knockback died?
that radically alters rine gameplay. i mean, rambos just got kicked in the teeth. hard. thats good tho. will be nice to bite a rine and not have him fly halfway cross the room to blow my face off. some bugs alter gameplay in ways they were never meant to. knockback is one of those.
And by the time I wake up the excitement will be over. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Big Fat Duck+Jul 22 2004, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Big Fat Duck @ Jul 22 2004, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> its prolly delayed <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You could be right; according to entries in the Bug Tracker, several corrections seem to have "adverse effects" in the pre-builds of beta 5 (i.e. gestation anomalies, Jetpack momentum issues, Heavy Armor oddities, Welder RoF and healing amount, bilebomb.mdl and acidrocket.mdl usage, etc.).
NolSinklerOn the ClorfJoin Date: 2004-02-15Member: 26560Members, Constellation
It probably isn't delayed.
Remember b4? For me it came out at about 11:30 PM on the day it was supposed to.
Flayra lives in california, so (not sure) the sun is probably still up for him, and it is still thursday. So, dont be surprised if it comes out really late friday (I'm saying friday because its still 11:37 here in michigan).
And by the time I wake up the excitement will be over. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 3am where?
Oh, right. England. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> He lives on the west coast of the US, he's still got 27 hours to release it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->MOSTLY bug fixes<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does that mean? It means it wont be all bug fixes, but mostly bug fixes. There will be some balance changes involved, but not very many.
/edit: some of the balance changes we need are 10 more armor for skulks, and more powerful onos.
I fully agree with Nem... bugs should ALWAYS be a first priority.
The current parasite is already insta-hit (Called hitscan), and as far as I can tell, has an infinite range; just the other day I managed to parasite a marine that was so far away I could barely see him (Down a hallway and across a large room)... So if it's not infinite, it's far enough already.
As for removing damage and lower energy, I disagree with you on one of those two things. I agree that the damage should be removed, as it serves no purpose. However, the energy should not be decreased. Parasite is not a replacement for Scent of Fear, and one alien should not be able to permanently keep parasites on all marine players. If you're going to parasite a marine, considering how powerfull it is, you should have to work at it. It's already almost too easy to parasite someone.
oh btw, now blockscripts blocks +attack and +jump on mousewheel
so its indirectly mp_blockbhop now, cool <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well. Its great for the newbie and scrubsservers I guess. GG ignorance.
lets keep bh in and make it harder for new players to do <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyways....
you have seen the bug traker right? it is huge. all i want is list of changes done to the current build, not every little bug there is in the game.
admin_csay red GG NS
admin_execall /quit
We wait fricken ages for a changelog and it finally comes and marines get even MORE powerful, crap that's been broken for ages is STILL broken, and the stupidest changes ever devised are STILL in the game. I suppose I should be thankful though, this is pretty much the first changelog we've seen where aliens didn't get nerfed even MORE.
<span style='color:white'>Calm down. Nobody will keep you from voicing your opinion, you don't have to scream.</span>
Sorry <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you know, i have never ever seen an enthusiastic post from you about anything besides the time you were asked to join the dev team... oh wait, that never happened. cheer up and be glad that a patch is coming, and get it out of your head that the dev team owns you anything, they don't.
But, they really don't owe us anything.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but I'm assuming we'll be back to the pre- Beta 3 schedule of fast releases.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hope it too, but it doesn't really matter; downloading Tribes 2, HL Firearms, and HL2 mods are in the horizon. NS will be trampled in no time if it becomes a half-abandoned project. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We've gotten balance patches as quick as two weeks.
We've gotten balance patches as quick as two weeks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL thats great...going in the sig.
It means that a regen onos being shot by 3 turrets will maintain full armor, rather than slowly losing it for when marines finally arrive.
yeah totally you should take this game back and get a refund
oh, wai
this game is provided to you for free for your enjoyment and for the members of the development team to learn about game development and get practice/a start in the industry. if you don't like the game, don't play it. it really doesn't matter as the people making it are still finding out what they want to know about game development, and frankly i don't think anyone cares about how upset and/or disappointed you are about there not being daily updates
I saw that in the bugtracker a bit ago, before they classified it as private. It may or may not be fixed, the most we know is that the devs know it exists.
Info on the bugtracker: it is not exactly a dynamic changelog. It includes bugs in the game and a few SMALL feature requests (like showing jetpacks on the scoreboards, like heavies). Larger features either aren't shown there or they are classified private, but either way we can't see them. The bugtracker really is for the devs, not us, but we are allowed access to see if certain bugs have been reported already.
Even though on many servers I wont be able to BHop correctly, I'm still excited about it.
yeah totally you should take this game back and get a refund
oh, wai
this game is provided to you for free for your enjoyment and for the members of the development team to learn about game development and get practice/a start in the industry. if you don't like the game, don't play it. it really doesn't matter as the people making it are still finding out what they want to know about game development, and frankly i don't think anyone cares about how upset and/or disappointed you are about there not being daily updates <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop preaching.
Um, I think he knows that he didn't pay to download the mod. Aaaaand?
does no one see what i see in this?
hello....knockback died?
that radically alters rine gameplay. i mean, rambos just got kicked in the teeth. hard. thats good tho. will be nice to bite a rine and not have him fly halfway cross the room to blow my face off. some bugs alter gameplay in ways they were never meant to. knockback is one of those.
gameplay will change.
Yawn.
And by the time I wake up the excitement will be over. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You could be right; according to entries in the Bug Tracker, several corrections seem to have "adverse effects" in the pre-builds of beta 5 (i.e. gestation anomalies, Jetpack momentum issues, Heavy Armor oddities, Welder RoF and healing amount, bilebomb.mdl and acidrocket.mdl usage, etc.).
Remember b4? For me it came out at about 11:30 PM on the day it was supposed to.
Flayra lives in california, so (not sure) the sun is probably still up for him, and it is still thursday. So, dont be surprised if it comes out really late friday (I'm saying friday because its still 11:37 here in michigan).
Yawn.
And by the time I wake up the excitement will be over. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
3am where?
Oh, right. England. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> He lives on the west coast of the US, he's still got 27 hours to release it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->