I wonder if it's possible code wise to have an auto firing pistol which fires slightly lower than the RoF cap, and then allow you to reach that cap faster by fast clicking. That would seem to make things work fine with or without scripting.
JRFP i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example.
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
edited July 2004
there is no script that makes u BH. all it does is help u with timing if yer off by a split second with the jump, you still have to know what yer doing, and how to BH.
besides, if scripts are removed, these ppl will still be able to BH. I turned mine off earlier today, and i was still able to do it fairly well..
anyone who has neva used a script, will not fully understand what they really are. ppl just cry script instead of hack now, its sickening.
<!--QuoteBegin-IBT+Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (IBT @ Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> JRFP i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim).
There are two things in this game - Hopping, and aiming.
A bunnyhop script 'helps your timing', or to put it more practically, 'requires no timing at all' (Helps your timing? I can press jump a second before I hit the floor and it'll still work. It's not helping timing, it's more or less doing it for you).
Just as much, an aimbot 'helps your aiming', or to put it more practically, 'requires no aiming at all' (Helps your aiming? I can just close my eyes and click the fire button and kill things. It's not helping aiming, it's more or less doing it for you).
Unless someone cares to define why an 'aiming script' is worse then a 'bunnyhop script'. I'd love to see you justify that one.
Funny thing is - not a SINGLE PERSON in this thread has said "I used a bunnyhop script - It didn't help at all". EVERYONE THAT USES A BUNNYHOP SCRIPT CAN BUNNYHOP. Pretty freaking funny. But oh don't worry it's only 'helping', and by 'helping' I mean 'making it effortless'.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-IBT+Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (IBT @ Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> JRFP i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what 3jump does.
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
there is no aiming script. there is a hack.. a jump script helps u time yer jumps, thats all, u still need to know how to move on yer own, move yer mouse, and everything else there is to actually bhin...
a hack does it all for u, a script does very little, u must still know what yer doing.
<!--QuoteBegin-ssjyoda+Jul 21 2004, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Jul 21 2004, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there is no aiming script. there is a hack.. a jump script helps u time yer jumps, thats all, u still need to know how to move on yer own, move yer mouse, and everything else there is to actually bhin...
a hack does it all for u, a script does very little, u must still know what yer doing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <b>IT DOES NOT freaking HELP YOU TIME YOUR JUMPS YOU IDIOT</b>
THERE IS NO <i>HELP</i> IN IT. IT DOESN'T RUN A TUTORIAL SHOWING YOU HOW TO BUNNYHOP. A MAN DOESN'T POP UP AND GIVE YOU POINTERS.
You press a GOD DAMN KEY when you're in the air and it'll jump for you the second you touch the ground.
Likewise, I press a GOD DAMN KEY and it aims for me.
WHY is it okay to automate one part of the game, but not another? If you're automating bunnyhopping, there is no SINGLE reason you can give to say that that's okay, but automating AIMING isn't.
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 09:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-IBT+Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (IBT @ Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> JRFP i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what 3jump does. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no you are wrong. 3jumps jumps 3 times quickly after you press the key
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT DOES NOT JUMP THE INSTANT YOU HIT THE GROUND HAVE YOU EVEN USED A SCRIPT OR YOU CONSOLE ALONE FOR GODS SAKE</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bind backspace to +jump; wait; -jump and hold it when you're moving around, then tell me it doens't jump the second you hit the ground.
(Unfortunately that's not a valid jumping script since you hit a moevment key and it forgets you're holding it down)
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 09:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 09:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-coris+Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coris @ Jul 21 2004, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-IBT+Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (IBT @ Jul 22 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> JRFP i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what 3jump does. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no you are wrong. 3jumps jumps 3 times quickly after you press the key
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT DOES NOT JUMP THE INSTANT YOU HIT THE GROUND HAVE YOU EVEN USED A SCRIPT OR YOU CONSOLE ALONE FOR GODS SAKE</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bind backspace to +jump; wait; -jump and hold it when you're moving around, then tell me it doens't jump the second you hit the ground.
(Unfortunately that's not a valid jumping script since you hit a moevment key and it forgets you're holding it down) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> that would be the fault of the key, not the script.
plus if it STOPS JUMPING when you hit strafe its WORTHLESS! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So? Make a 12jump script. A 24jump script. It doens't have to be 3jump. It'll do the same thing: spam so many jump commands that there's always one active when you touch the ground.
Except even with the 3jump script, you HAVE to be able to move the mouse properly and strafe at the right times. It doesn't Bhop for you, it facilitates a tedious facet of it. An aimbot aims for you, period. Your comparison is null and void.
<!--QuoteBegin-blackholedreams+Jul 21 2004, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (blackholedreams @ Jul 21 2004, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Except even with the 3jump script, you HAVE to be able to move the mouse properly and strafe at the right times. It doesn't Bhop for you, it facilitates a tedious facet of it. An aimbot aims for you, period. Your comparison is null and void. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh? And what about wigglewalking? I can easilly implement that into a script. It's an exploit of the engine sure, but I find it tedious, so is automating an exploit okay then?
If a bunnyhop script only helps you bunnyhop, would it be safe to say that if I took away your crutch, you'd be able to bunnyhop just fine? Afterall it's HELPING you, so therefore you should be getting better.
Take an aimbot away from a botter and they aim like crap.
Take your precious script away and I bet you couldn't bunnyhop to save your life.
And you've still yet to properly address how automating a skill you're inferior at compared to people that can do it for real (a la bunnyhop or aimbot) is very different. I can make my aimbot so I still have to press the fire button and give it a bit of 'way' so it's not 100% accurate. Then I can just as easilly say "It only helps me aim, it doens't do it for me - I still have to aim a bit and press fire".
There are two things in this game - Hopping, and aiming.
A bunnyhop script 'helps your timing', or to put it more practically, 'requires no timing at all' (Helps your timing? I can press jump a second before I hit the floor and it'll still work. It's not helping timing, it's more or less doing it for you).
Just as much, an aimbot 'helps your aiming', or to put it more practically, 'requires no aiming at all' (Helps your aiming? I can just close my eyes and click the fire button and kill things. It's not helping aiming, it's more or less doing it for you).
Unless someone cares to define why an 'aiming script' is worse then a 'bunnyhop script'. I'd love to see you justify that one.
Funny thing is - not a SINGLE PERSON in this thread has said "I used a bunnyhop script - It didn't help at all". EVERYONE THAT USES A BUNNYHOP SCRIPT CAN BUNNYHOP. Pretty freaking funny. But oh don't worry it's only 'helping', and by 'helping' I mean 'making it effortless'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thats like comparing a 3jumpscript like bind mouse1 +attack.
I like how you sigged me out of context: You claim a 3Jump script doesn't jump the moment you touch the ground. Bunnyhopping relies on you jumping when you touch the ground. So tell me - If 3 jump doesn't do it, what's the point of 3 jump? Apparently it doesn't jump when you hit the ground, so am I missing something here? You say one thing but then deny another?
Automation is automation - aimbots come with a configuration that makes it so you don't have pixel-perfect aim, requiring you to aim SOME, but it'll still land most shots on the target without much effort. Does this mean that aimbotting like that is okay since it still takes some 'skill' only taking the tedium out of it?
<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Jul 21 2004, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 21 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This thread is going down in flames now, I'm glad I was able to do it, blackhole, I'll be laughing when you and your talentless hack friend hobojoe here are quitting NS because your 'automation of tedious tasks' ruins your game because you lack the skill, timing, competence, and brains to do it properly. I'm sure eventually you both will end up banned because you're so freaking talentless you download the OGC and get VAC-Banned for it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ok dood i suggest you go inform the tfc community about these evil scripts <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm going to point, with some irony, that TFC is completely dead. I don't think bunnyhopping scripts helped it live any.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Automation is automation - aimbots come with a configuration that makes it so you don't have pixel-perfect aim, requiring you to aim SOME, but it'll still land most shots on the target without much effort. Does this mean that aimbotting like that is okay since it still takes some 'skill' only taking the tedium out of it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You know anti-scripters( and now anti-mousewheelers apparently) are getting desperate when they resort to the "scripts (mousewheel) are like aimbots" argument <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit : Where's the sarcasm? Just telling it as it is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Jul 21 2004, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Jul 21 2004, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Jul 21 2004, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Jul 21 2004, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Automation is automation - aimbots come with a configuration that makes it so you don't have pixel-perfect aim, requiring you to aim SOME, but it'll still land most shots on the target without much effort. Does this mean that aimbotting like that is okay since it still takes some 'skill' only taking the tedium out of it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You know anti-scripters( and now anti-mousewheelers apparently) are getting desperate when they resort to the "scripts (mousewheel) are like aimbots" argument <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And you know you're losing the argument when you have to use sarcasm to get whatever feeble, pathetic point you have across.
The higher your ping, the harder it is to time a jump the instant you hit the ground, so high pingers are at a disadvantage, as any time at all spent on the ground slows you way down. Also, it's easier to spam a jump command with one key in order to focus on avoidance and attacking instead of having to focus on exactly the right moment to hit a key. Scripts add convenience, as has been said many times. Why should you accept an inconvenient aspect of the game if you can work around it?
Edit: And this thread has successfully proven, once again, why every thread related to scripting gets the insta-lock. The most vocal ones always tend to be those who don't understand what they're arguing, on one side, and then those who don't understand HOW to argue without resorting to personal insults on the other. Can't we all just get along?
EEK makes some good points. End of the day we're all at the mercy of the dev team and the dev team are adding measures to block certain things for whatever reasons. Arguing about it isn't going to change matters. It is gone, that is it end of story. Just a quick point I'd like to make. Why are people so against using _special for bunnyhopping but appear to want things like a 3jump script or +jump on mousewheel to stay? Thank you please.
<!--QuoteBegin-I Gorged Your Mom+Jul 21 2004, 09:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (I Gorged Your Mom @ Jul 21 2004, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think I speak for everyone when I say that 1=.<u>99</u>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo--> not to make this just a spam post, but i whole-heartedly agree <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> damn was that topic argued to hell and back in the constie forum haha.
and on scripting... people just get over it. sitting here arguing about it back and forth will do nothing--who's mind are you going to change?
that's what i thought.
ns is in beta for a reason, how many times will that point have to be brought up???
so next time you go and play, remember that you are playing Natural-Selection <b>BETA</b> 4a.
ChurchMeatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2Join Date: 2002-12-31Member: 11646Members, Constellation
Look EEK. Bunnyhopping is impossible (due to lag) without binding +jump to mwheel or without the use of a 3jump script. Take it out, and you take out bunnyhopping.
On anotehr note. How do you guys use the 3jump script well? I can't bhop nearly as well using that compared to when I use the mousewheel
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i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example.
besides, if scripts are removed, these ppl will still be able to BH. I turned mine off earlier today, and i was still able to do it fairly well..
anyone who has neva used a script, will not fully understand what they really are. ppl just cry script instead of hack now, its sickening.
i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim).
There are two things in this game - Hopping, and aiming.
A bunnyhop script 'helps your timing', or to put it more practically, 'requires no timing at all' (Helps your timing? I can press jump a second before I hit the floor and it'll still work. It's not helping timing, it's more or less doing it for you).
Just as much, an aimbot 'helps your aiming', or to put it more practically, 'requires no aiming at all' (Helps your aiming? I can just close my eyes and click the fire button and kill things. It's not helping aiming, it's more or less doing it for you).
Unless someone cares to define why an 'aiming script' is worse then a 'bunnyhop script'. I'd love to see you justify that one.
Funny thing is - not a SINGLE PERSON in this thread has said "I used a bunnyhop script - It didn't help at all". EVERYONE THAT USES A BUNNYHOP SCRIPT CAN BUNNYHOP. Pretty freaking funny. But oh don't worry it's only 'helping', and by 'helping' I mean 'making it effortless'.
i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's what 3jump does.
a hack does it all for u, a script does very little, u must still know what yer doing.
a hack does it all for u, a script does very little, u must still know what yer doing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>IT DOES NOT freaking HELP YOU TIME YOUR JUMPS YOU IDIOT</b>
THERE IS NO <i>HELP</i> IN IT. IT DOESN'T RUN A TUTORIAL SHOWING YOU HOW TO BUNNYHOP. A MAN DOESN'T POP UP AND GIVE YOU POINTERS.
You press a GOD DAMN KEY when you're in the air and it'll jump for you the second you touch the ground.
Likewise, I press a GOD DAMN KEY and it aims for me.
WHY is it okay to automate one part of the game, but not another? If you're automating bunnyhopping, there is no SINGLE reason you can give to say that that's okay, but automating AIMING isn't.
i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's what 3jump does. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no you are wrong. 3jumps jumps 3 times quickly after you press the key
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT DOES NOT JUMP THE INSTANT YOU HIT THE GROUND HAVE YOU EVEN USED A SCRIPT OR YOU CONSOLE ALONE FOR GODS SAKE</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bind backspace to +jump; wait; -jump and hold it when you're moving around, then tell me it doens't jump the second you hit the ground.
(Unfortunately that's not a valid jumping script since you hit a moevment key and it forgets you're holding it down)
i dont mind some scripts that say need health when you press the request medpack button, but some others are a little like traners, take the skulk bhop one for example. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop beeing ignorant and get some actual facts to back that up with. Anything that bunnyhops for you is a hack (OGC has it and so on). Even IF it IS possible to write a script that bhops for you with some serious coding (kind of like a 180 degrees script but far more complex) it will be useless since it will only be able to go in a straight line, and while its working you wont be able to do anything at all (Not even attack or aim). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no ogc didn't even bhop for you, it simply jumped the instant you touched the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's what 3jump does. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no you are wrong. 3jumps jumps 3 times quickly after you press the key
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>IT DOES NOT JUMP THE INSTANT YOU HIT THE GROUND HAVE YOU EVEN USED A SCRIPT OR YOU CONSOLE ALONE FOR GODS SAKE</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bind backspace to +jump; wait; -jump and hold it when you're moving around, then tell me it doens't jump the second you hit the ground.
(Unfortunately that's not a valid jumping script since you hit a moevment key and it forgets you're holding it down) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that would be the fault of the key, not the script.
plus if it STOPS JUMPING when you hit strafe its WORTHLESS! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So? Make a 12jump script. A 24jump script. It doens't have to be 3jump. It'll do the same thing: spam so many jump commands that there's always one active when you touch the ground.
Oh? And what about wigglewalking? I can easilly implement that into a script. It's an exploit of the engine sure, but I find it tedious, so is automating an exploit okay then?
If a bunnyhop script only helps you bunnyhop, would it be safe to say that if I took away your crutch, you'd be able to bunnyhop just fine? Afterall it's HELPING you, so therefore you should be getting better.
Take an aimbot away from a botter and they aim like crap.
Take your precious script away and I bet you couldn't bunnyhop to save your life.
And you've still yet to properly address how automating a skill you're inferior at compared to people that can do it for real (a la bunnyhop or aimbot) is very different. I can make my aimbot so I still have to press the fire button and give it a bit of 'way' so it's not 100% accurate. Then I can just as easilly say "It only helps me aim, it doens't do it for me - I still have to aim a bit and press fire".
There are two things in this game - Hopping, and aiming.
A bunnyhop script 'helps your timing', or to put it more practically, 'requires no timing at all' (Helps your timing? I can press jump a second before I hit the floor and it'll still work. It's not helping timing, it's more or less doing it for you).
Just as much, an aimbot 'helps your aiming', or to put it more practically, 'requires no aiming at all' (Helps your aiming? I can just close my eyes and click the fire button and kill things. It's not helping aiming, it's more or less doing it for you).
Unless someone cares to define why an 'aiming script' is worse then a 'bunnyhop script'. I'd love to see you justify that one.
Funny thing is - not a SINGLE PERSON in this thread has said "I used a bunnyhop script - It didn't help at all". EVERYONE THAT USES A BUNNYHOP SCRIPT CAN BUNNYHOP. Pretty freaking funny. But oh don't worry it's only 'helping', and by 'helping' I mean 'making it effortless'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats like comparing a 3jumpscript like bind mouse1 +attack.
<!--c1--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>CODE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='CODE'><!--ec1-->alias +3jumps "+jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump; wait; -jump; wait; +jump"
alias -3jumps "-jump"
bind space "+3jumps"
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anyways on-topic I agree with blackholedreams whole-heartedly.
ok dood i suggest you go inform the tfc community about these evil scripts <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm going to point, with some irony, that TFC is completely dead. I don't think bunnyhopping scripts helped it live any.
You know anti-scripters( and now anti-mousewheelers apparently) are getting desperate when they resort to the "scripts (mousewheel) are like aimbots" argument <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit : Where's the sarcasm? Just telling it as it is.
You know anti-scripters( and now anti-mousewheelers apparently) are getting desperate when they resort to the "scripts (mousewheel) are like aimbots" argument <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you know you're losing the argument when you have to use sarcasm to get whatever feeble, pathetic point you have across.
Lol I found this picture posted by Trev somewhere...
Edit: And this thread has successfully proven, once again, why every thread related to scripting gets the insta-lock. The most vocal ones always tend to be those who don't understand what they're arguing, on one side, and then those who don't understand HOW to argue without resorting to personal insults on the other. Can't we all just get along?
End of the day we're all at the mercy of the dev team and the dev team are adding measures to block certain things for whatever reasons.
Arguing about it isn't going to change matters. It is gone, that is it end of story.
Just a quick point I'd like to make. Why are people so against using _special for bunnyhopping but appear to want things like a 3jump script or +jump on mousewheel to stay?
Thank you please.
<!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo--> not to make this just a spam post, but i whole-heartedly agree <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> damn was that topic argued to hell and back in the constie forum haha.
and on scripting... people just get over it. sitting here arguing about it back and forth will do nothing--who's mind are you going to change?
that's what i thought.
ns is in beta for a reason, how many times will that point have to be brought up???
so next time you go and play, remember that you are playing Natural-Selection <b>BETA</b> 4a.
On anotehr note. How do you guys use the 3jump script well? I can't bhop nearly as well using that compared to when I use the mousewheel