Demo Of A Suspected Cheat

ShotgunEd · July 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">Who can review</div> Basicaly is there someone I can submit a demo to, for their opinion on if they think a person is cheating. In my opinion the demo shows it clearly. Are there so called experts on the matter?

waller · July 2004

I'm no expert but i'd like to see it.

OrganoX · July 2004

i havent seen any cheats since ns1.04.
i would like to see the demo.

Forlorn · July 2004

You wanna like host it or something?

fanatic · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (.OrganoX. @ Jul 14 2004, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i havent seen any cheats since ns1.04.
i would like to see the demo.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Ditto. Only ever seen one aimbotter/wallhacker ever, and that was over a year ago.

aonomus · July 2004

Only seen one thing, a speedhack knife, maybe even not so, mousewheel. Flayra codes NS so its hard to cheat

surprise · July 2004

ask esuna, he knows about cheats <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

ShotgunEd · July 2004

Sorry lads I don't want to just spread the demo to anyone. Basicaly if I'm wrong then I don't want to hurt someones reputation by accusing them. If you've had experience with hackers and know what to look for I'd be interested in you viewing the demo.

Zunni · July 2004

PM Esuna, he may be able to help.

Nemesis_Zero · July 2004

Yeah, I'd suggest es, as well.

kavasa · July 2004

If you're wrong, how would posting a vid of him not-hacking hurt his rep?
I used to have an .avi of someone with an aimbot laying around, from 2.0 I think, but I lost it. Oh well. Haven't seen one in months and months.

PneumaticCrab · July 2004

send it to CAL-ns|Brad

Narfwak · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PneumaticCrab @ Jul 14 2004, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> send it to CAL-ns|Brad  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Indeed, send it to a CAL-NS admin (if they want it, that is).

comrade · July 2004

I would definately like to see it, seeing as I play on euro pub servers a lot. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

SiDSquishy · July 2004

There was a guy with Shotgun in his name speccing me yesterday <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

comrade · July 2004

There were 3 members from this guys clan speccing me earlier today.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

kavasa · July 2004

Speaking as an admin, I've specced a number of very good, very well-known players under smurfed names. Most recently Nadagast, who wandered into the server smurfed, hopped on marine, and got a couple 10-15 bullet lmg kills on me. Good players have to realize that admins don't see that sort of aim often at all, and it makes it so much easier to shut up the rest of the server's whining if we've spectated just to make sure. That said, it's pretty easy to tell, so if you're in doubt, it probably isn't.

sk84zer0 · July 2004

i dont see what you guys are talking about, deleted post?

PneumaticCrab · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sk84zer0 @ Jul 14 2004, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i dont see what you guys are talking about, deleted post?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
apparently

locallyunscene · July 2004

The orig question asked someone to determin if someone was cheating from a demo and it got sidetracked to people who had been specced becuase of suspected cheating and kavasa managed to bring it back to the original topic (kudos btw).

Rusty1 · July 2004

Hhmmm....I have experienced numerous players being accused but who's to say the accuses were just jealous of the accused's skill? The closest I have seen are the dam people who base rape. Do you know base raping is a good tactick but also considered spawn killing and cheating? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /> When I heard this I was glad because I was getting really sick of dam <b><span style='color:red'>Base Rapers!</span></b>

DaK_mAnIak · July 2004

It's tough to tell when someone is "hacking" and 99% of the time you can't be positive (unless someone is playing NS and getting headshots with healspray through a wall =p).

There are, however, certain ways to determine whether or not someone is probably cheating. Enabling a hack while watching a demo is often good to spot wallh4x. But there are traits to hacks, that could almost be considered flaws. For, example, when the crosshairs vibrate around a specified point on the model. Furthermore, when the crosshairs ALWAYS focus on the same part of the model (hard to spot sometimes). When the player kills an alien or marine, the crosshairs instantly move to another alien/marine (good players do this just by knowing about how much it should take to kill their enemy, but when they have aimbot enable it looks much more suspect). If a player is shooting an alien and suddenly jumps to another alien (before the first one is dead). This has to do with the inability for a hack to know which model the player is trying to attack.

These are just a few of the things I've noticed. If you disagree with me on these, I'll grant that it isn't an exact science (wait, actually it is!), and any good player might show one or all of the things I've listed. However, there isn't much a person can do to spot a hack than rely on experience.

Sops · July 2004

Show it the server admin, the the NS devs...

DuFfY1 · July 2004

I respect your decision to keep the demo out of the public view. I'm sure many of us that have been playing since 1.0 get incorrectly accused of hacking occasionally, and when this happens and people start spectating you, it's not a good feeling.

Sops · July 2004

I've seen people call player hackers based on a good score and nothing else

Shockeh · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (surprise @ Jul 14 2004, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ask esuna, he knows about cheats <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yes, he accuses me all the time on TS. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

The number of 'cheats' is incredibly low, and usually it's just a good run combined with a decent play ability. We all have those 'in the zone' moments, but it's very hard as an admin to make a fair call.

End of the day, it's your server, and wrong or right, it's your call to make.

- Shockwave

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aonomus @ Jul 14 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Only seen one thing, a speedhack knife, maybe even not so, mousewheel. Flayra codes NS so its hard to cheat  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
You'd be surprised.

Sops · July 2004

He tried to take out somethings but it's still not that hard for people to find scripts/hacks

lordofokra · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuFfY- @ Jul 15 2004, 06:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and when this happens and people start spectating you, it's not a good feeling.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Are you crazy? I love when that happens! Makes me feel so good about my game.

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · July 2004

I love **** people off. I feel nothing but satisfaction when admins kick me, or people cry out "HAX!" and spectate me.

lagger · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BizZy | 9mm Messiah @ Jul 15 2004, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aonomus @ Jul 14 2004, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Only seen one thing, a speedhack knife, maybe even not so, mousewheel. Flayra codes NS so its hard to cheat </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You'd be surprised.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Cheating death makes it hard to cheat, vac makes it hard to cheat, going from WON to steam makes it hard to cheat. The game itself I seriously doubt has any substantial impact on cheating. (Assuming we are talking about hl mods)

I personally doubt there are a abundance of cheats out. Although I can almost be certain none of them are cd safe, so join a cd server if your worried.

Demo Of A Suspected Cheat

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