Ns Review

Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
<div class="IPBDescription">In UK PCgamer</div> Right, a short (random) introduction

A few days ago, i bought my magasine as usual, and was quite impressed to see natural selection being reviewed/commented on in there. they got a whole page, a whole page! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> and they supplied your latest version of the mod on thier DVD, along with some screenshots.

That very day, i scanned in the page and sent a scan of it to the general mail adress for ns, and I have had no reply or news post on the main page. you could say im being impatient, or the email could've been deleted for having a large attatchment. Because i was feeling impatient today, i thought i would post about it here.

To be fair, the screenshots dont give ns judgement, too much brightness, and there were a few mistakes, like version 3.4 instead of the correct 3.0b4a. this was corrected on the back of the dvd. But anyway, ive included a link to my scan of it:

<a href='http://php.danzsite.com/stuff/ns-feature.jpg' target='_blank'>http://php.danzsite.com/stuff/ns-feature.jpg</a>

Best regards
Dred_furst
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  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    Nice article, thanks for sharing..

    Few minor mistakes but they got the important bits right.
  • CaMCaM Join Date: 2004-07-05 Member: 29735Members
    great to see articles on NS just shows how much it is growing <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> lets hope it continues to reach new heights in HL mods <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> maybe NS will be the next CS :o
  • Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
    lets only hope so! i was really impressed! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    That guy musta played it once, twice tops before he wrote that
  • Al_KaholicAl_Kaholic Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25821Members, Constellation
    Especially counting that the only 3 screenshots are of <i>the same Combat map</i>. And from the way the article was written, you'd think Combat was the only mode of Natural Selection. Yucko Ono.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    Compared to many other gaming journalists, that'd already be a throughout examination, especially for an article that doesn't end in a numeric value. In the end, all publicity is good publicity.

    Thanks, Dred!
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    Yeah, the inaccuracies aren't so bad considering the compression of the whole thing. And hey, its a positive review, so who cares anyway.
  • Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
    im happy they included the mod adress <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ekentekent Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7801Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Especially counting that the only 3 screenshots are of <i>the same Combat map</i>. And from the way the article was written, you'd think Combat was the only mode of Natural Selection. Yucko Ono. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They're two different combat maps actually <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. See if you can figure out which ones. I'm suprised at how many things he got right, actually. If I could change anything it would be to emphasize the different playstyles of the sides.
  • Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
    well, it does mention that it requires skill to be alien but they got ghigher speed and things,
  • ekentekent Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7801Members
    Speaking of Savage, I remember one particularly dirty trick they pulled on a game reviewer right after it was released.

    Now I didn't have to play more than a couple hours to realize that it was not very interesting at all. Both sides were carbon copies of each other. The weapons were ripped from quake and unreal tournament, the combat was uninteresting. The strategy was one-dimensional and the commander had no tactical value at all, all you could do was give waypoints and drop buildings. So I go read gamespot and I'm gratified to realize that I'm not the only one that thinks that way; the reviewer sort of tore them a new one.

    However, they were very unhappy and dug up their server logs to prove that he only actually played the game twice for an hour each time, or some figure around that. Gamespot withdrew the article and apologised? If it was me I'd have said, "pardon me for only needing a brief time to figure out your game was crap? Maybe next time use some elbow grease or if you can't take the heat don't start the fire."

    Anyway moral of the story: first impressions matter especially in entertainment so please realize this and take it into account.
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    edited July 2004
    I'm surprised they would have retracted it, but depending on how large a advertiser they (the game company) is/was they can have significant impact on how the game is reviewed.

    That was crtiticism of many gaming magazines. Giving good reviews for crap games because the companies in question advertised heavily in their magazine.
  • DMoDblackwolfDMoDblackwolf Join Date: 2004-07-03 Member: 29708Members
    yea thats where i got my copy off ^_^
  • TrixalopeTrixalope Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21684Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-(e)kent+Jul 8 2004, 12:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((e)kent @ Jul 8 2004, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Especially counting that the only 3 screenshots are of <i>the same Combat map</i>. And from the way the article was written, you'd think Combat was the only mode of Natural Selection. Yucko Ono. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They're two different combat maps actually <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. See if you can figure out which ones. I'm suprised at how many things he got right, actually. If I could change anything it would be to emphasize the different playstyles of the sides.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    co_faceoff and co_angst.

    I wish they would have at least tossed an image of a well done ns_ map. Maybe ns_bast or the new ns_nancy.

    I am glad he reviewed the community as welcoming and friendly. Especially considering he reviewed a co_/ns_ server or two seperate servers, which in my experience, has almost always been a bit more hostile than any ns_ only server.

    He doesn't seem to delve into the ns_ side of things at all though. He just introduces the mod team and the overall idea of the mod in it's entirity, then says "you can ditch the occasionally complicated resource gathering" for co_. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Though it's a good review, and as Saltzbad said, given that fact: Who efin cares? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • crono1crono1 Join Date: 2004-01-20 Member: 25497Members, Constellation
    faceoff and angst i think.
  • crono1crono1 Join Date: 2004-01-20 Member: 25497Members, Constellation
    damn, i should have read page 2 B(
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Though it's a good review, and as Saltzbad said, given that fact: Who efin cares? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The old adage that "There is no such thing as bad press" holds true here. Yes, he didn't get every fact straight, sure he didn't go into as much detail as I'm sure any of us would have liked.

    The facts are he was very complimentary while talking about the mod and due to this article we should see additional players checking NS out.

    That's not a bad thing...
  • tommydtommyd Creator of ns_tanith, co_pulse and co_faceoff Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 40Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Developer
    it seems that first link you posted is down <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> anyone got a link?
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    PC-Gamer "review?" I can tell without looking what they are saying:

    "10/10 game! Graphics! Sounds! Perfect! Go buy right now! Really! Buy it! Now! Only... wait... it's free? Why no one told me that?"

    I wouldn't trust on anything they advertise there.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    Keep in mind the UK version of PC GAMER is considerably less craptastic compared to the US version.

    I'm just happy they've started using images that arent from pre-1.0 or of the Ready Room.

    The previous review I saw was of ns_caged. and 2 out of 3 of the pictures were of the ready room. The third was of the marine start. Kind of gives me the idea that the guy joined the server, took a few pics, ran around abit and left to review it.

    I too played the Savage Demo and became Bored with it in under an Hour. All of the classes are practically the same, the maps are hard to navigate, and its completely inferior. I fail to see how this manages to even be compared to NS.
    Its completely different.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Jul 8 2004, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Jul 8 2004, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That guy musta played it once, twice tops before he wrote that <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    At least they played it, unlike the guys in the in the US PC Gamer magazine.
  • AznCoffeeBoiAznCoffeeBoi Join Date: 2003-11-17 Member: 23086Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[DMoD]blackwolf+Jul 8 2004, 01:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([DMoD]blackwolf @ Jul 8 2004, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yea thats where i got my copy off ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    heh heh welcome to ns. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At least they played it, unlike the guys in the in the US PC Gamer magazine.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Or finnish, for that matter. I have said this before, and will say it again: PC Gamer is just a ad magazine with a price-tag, so anything they have said there is of dubious worth.
  • FirewaterFirewater Balance Expert Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10690Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zunni+Jul 8 2004, 01:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zunni @ Jul 8 2004, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm surprised they would have retracted it, but depending on how large a advertiser they (the game company) is/was they can have significant impact on how the game is reviewed.

    That was crtiticism of many gaming magazines. Giving good reviews for crap games because the companies in question advertised heavily in their magazine. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I really wish former game developers (retired ones) would rate these games. A lot of these reviewers don't even take the time to learn the game properly and fill the column up with meaningless jargon (see the article, you will understand.) Atleast former game developers will have the technical knowledge and explain why a game would be poor or good, and fill a column with USEFUL information.
  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-(e)kent+Jul 8 2004, 06:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ((e)kent @ Jul 8 2004, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Jul 8 2004, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Especially counting that the only 3 screenshots are of <i>the same Combat map</i>. And from the way the article was written, you'd think Combat was the only mode of Natural Selection. Yucko Ono. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They're two different combat maps actually <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. See if you can figure out which ones. I'm suprised at how many things he got right, actually. If I could change anything it would be to emphasize the different playstyles of the sides. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Co_angst and Co_Faceoff, cookie please <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Al_KaholicAl_Kaholic Join Date: 2004-01-31 Member: 25821Members, Constellation
    *Shoots self*

    Bah, can't believe I forgot about one of my favorite Combat maps, Faceoff. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Well, my point still stands that they didn't provide enough coverage for Classic, which has made this all possible. But it can't be denied that Combat is much more friendly towards new players than Classic. Qu? ser? ser?.
  • OetelOetel Join Date: 2004-05-18 Member: 28743Members
    Hm they shouldve put a screenshot of one of the corridors of ns_bast in it.
    Its amazing how much it looks like the corridor of the Alien 1 intro bit.

    Besides, a lot of corridors look like ones from the alien movies <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
    well, there are a dew ads in pc gamer UK, but least they actually detail stuff, and the dvd is probably got the best videos around, something like 52 videos this month <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> with other half life mods as well, but im not as intrested in them as ns <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Play as savage aliens or as gun-toting marines.
    Marines are most popular but aliens are more <b>skillful</b> and can evolve in to higher lifeforms<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Hear hear!
  • Dred_furstDred_furst Join Date: 2004-03-19 Member: 27429Members
    such a true statement!
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