<!--QuoteBegin-**Grizzly+Jul 2 2004, 02:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (**Grizzly @ Jul 2 2004, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I just googled "grunge brushes", from what I could see it didnt come up with much, however ive been up for about 36 hours so...
Back on topic ... No transparent clip, what good is a p90 without a transpaent clip <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you need some help skinning, also theres a few brushes here <a href='http://st.gaming-interactive.com/' target='_blank'>Skinning Tutorials</a>
About the tranparent clip, dont you think it would look pretty stupid if the gun was empty but it was still full of bullets? It just wouldnt work in Half-Life based games.
i'm jealous chrono <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> you're a good modeller and you get so many people that want to work on your models, something that i havnt been able to do. Nice skins and model though, keep it up <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-REDDmonkey+Jul 2 2004, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (REDDmonkey @ Jul 2 2004, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm jealous chrono <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> you're a good modeller and you get so many people that want to work on your models, something that i havnt been able to do. Nice skins and model though, keep it up <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe it was 3months before one of his models got finished
w00t i wish i could model... But Milshape doesnt just want to work any more on my computer... Evaluation period expired and no cracks work...
Back to the topic, Chrono, awesome f'n model! I love it! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Delta's is ok, but i prefer the other one...too much dodging on delta's and it doesn't really resemble plastic...did u look at the skinning tut on enin's site called "Skinning Plastic" ?
hey redd, you have some the most accurate to design and detailed models ive seen on this board. id would love to skin your models, if you can get em meshed. i would mesh but i just dont have enough time. /end highjack
any progress on anyone elses? i heard there were like 4 other guys doing this.
<!--QuoteBegin-TheUdderOne+Jul 2 2004, 10:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheUdderOne @ Jul 2 2004, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Delta's is ok, but i prefer the other one...too much dodging on delta's and it doesn't really resemble plastic...did u look at the skinning tut on enin's site called "Skinning Plastic" ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Chances are I did, but I never read I just look at the pictures and glanced at some words to get an idea. If you think its to bright ill fix that, I still want to find the REAL P90 logo.
As to the so many people want to skin it part, he just nags me model after model and eventauly I give in, every single time, however this is the first time I have ever finished anything.
<!--QuoteBegin-BigBull+Jul 2 2004, 07:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigBull @ Jul 2 2004, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-REDDmonkey+Jul 2 2004, 09:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (REDDmonkey @ Jul 2 2004, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i'm jealous chrono <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> you're a good modeller and you get so many people that want to work on your models, something that i havnt been able to do. Nice skins and model though, keep it up <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe it was 3months before one of his models got finished <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> started modeling january 22 2004 first release was march 12 2004 so more like 1 1/2 months dont worry reddmonkey youll eventualy get a release <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-BAshh+Jul 1 2004, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BAshh @ Jul 1 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 3) every model i know of, except some FA models when you have nomenclature use the SAME clip when reloading. I'm not sure why you're pointing this out. otherwise you're looking at the animation too fast, and dont notice that he actually places it back into the spot. check it again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> who said anything about using the same clip? of course it uses the same clip. I said that the animation looked bad, not that the clip was the same. I am looking at the animation at normal speed and it looks bad. It looks nothing like the guy is reloading the gun, he just tosses the clip on the gun and doesn't secure it. He barely touches it when he's putting it in, too.
i coulnt tell which you were atlking about, using the same clip or the animation itself. He doesn't just toss it in there, <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> i dont see your problem with it.
Another slow update... I know I have to fix the lighting on it and is the green to much? I can always change the color back to grey. Don't expect another update soon, as I said before I don't go very fast <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->started modeling january 22 2004 first release was march 12 2004 so more like 1 1/2 months dont worry reddmonkey youll eventualy get a release <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 3 months sounds better
Baraka your skin could use some definitive lines, and clean up the skin a bit.
other than that.. <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
keep it up everyone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Its like a mad skinning party! Except boring, Nerdy, probably no girls... reallllyyy boring, counts as work, uhhh, no illegal substinces being done, no good music, well wait... <<Changes the song to Slipknot>> there we go. Okay more then not, I shouldnt have said it was a party, because its boring as hell, but I guess some times can be boring like that time we ordered pizza and were just wall blasting (I dont know, we were bored) and then Kelsey squeezed marcs balls (I forget why) and then marc threw up, we ate pizza, and uhhh... I think we were just planning on what to do, it was supposed to be a party but I dont think any of us had any motivation to do anything that night.
<!--QuoteBegin-BAshh+Jul 2 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BAshh @ Jul 2 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i coulnt tell which you were atlking about, using the same clip or the animation itself. He doesn't just toss it in there, <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> i dont see your problem with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> there's no convincing you that your animation isn't half as good as it could be, is there? you got low standards, bashh
i really dont anything wrong with the animations at all. i think they ae great. so what if it would look beter if the guy got a hernia slapping a mag into agun as hard as he can too look tough. its fine as it.
To be perfectly honest I don't know how you could not notice it. But if you don't notice it, good for you. You're easy to please. which is...I guess an advantage in some way, shape or form...sometimes
Well frosty, Chap. Heres my ideas to make your presence in topics more, easy to hear and understand. No longer just say 'whats wrong' open up HLMV, take some pictures showing the absoloute parts that does not make the animation 'believable' if needed put them in a row frame after frame, slide show-ish. And it doesnt hurt to point out whats good in an animation, if your grade one teacher told you "You suck" chances are you would go into grade two a) Telling other people they suck, which is actauly pretty cool for a grade two'er b) Be a damaged shell of a grade two'er.
Anyways, I know your helping here, But some times it seems a bit harsh (and I know harsh, most of the time I am).
And also try to remember, we want the reload times to be the same as the actaul reload time, your reload time doesnt slow down just because you have a new model, or if it was just a click of a button it wouldnt speed up ither, this reload obviously would take a longer time in life but in game, you have been practicing reloading for years and it simply takes a pull, a swish, a chuck, and your ready to shoot, Woah what a long post! -Dan
wow spetsnaz you must have been gone for a while i have a few models release <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> if you have been gone welcome back <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> once its done and released you guys can hack on all the addons you want
<!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Jul 4 2004, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Jul 4 2004, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow spetsnaz you must have been gone for a while i have a few models release <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> if you have been gone welcome back <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> once its done and released you guys can hack on all the addons you want <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> huh what where?
First off frosty, you don't have to be an **** about it, I dont have low standards, i just really didnt see the problem, m'kay?!?!
anyway:
Rebuttle, Exhibit A <img src='http://www.bai.elixant.com/a_1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> the same frame, yes?
<img src='http://www.bai.elixant.com/a_2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> looks close enough to me. Yes i could have gotten a millimeter closer, oops excuse my margin of error.
Rebuttle, Exhibit B
Yes the next frame looks such, but as you know, the animations do not only play frame by frame, they'll play transitions between frames. Furthermore, to keep up with the speed of the original LMG animation, without speeding up a regular speed animation, i animated as such. with the inertia of placing the clip in so fast, it appears to be fine to me.
milimeters. cant tell when origined, oh well <b>I</b> can't.
No rebuttle for D, NS hands suck, and so therefore that looks crappy.
Conclusion: Get off my back. No my animations aren't perfect, and i'll never say that they are. I WILL reanimate it if you'd like, sure. If enough people feel that it needs to be. But for the most part i think you're wrong. My appologies if I am.
I think for the most part, Frosty is just trying to help in the long run.
People take it the wrong way.
Bashh you did good with the animations, but hes just saying that he noticed some tweaks that should be done. Nothing more.
Dont become another err just take some criticism.
Also Frosty, dont be so rude about it, unless you can do better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I just googled "grunge brushes", from what I could see it didnt come up with much, however ive been up for about 36 hours so...
Back on topic ... No transparent clip, what good is a p90 without a transpaent clip <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you need some help skinning, also theres a few brushes here <a href='http://st.gaming-interactive.com/' target='_blank'>Skinning Tutorials</a>
About the tranparent clip, dont you think it would look pretty stupid if the gun was empty but it was still full of bullets? It just wouldnt work in Half-Life based games.
I believe it was 3months before one of his models got finished
Back to the topic, Chrono, awesome f'n model! I love it! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
any progress on anyone elses? i heard there were like 4 other guys doing this.
Chances are I did, but I never read I just look at the pictures and glanced at some words to get an idea.
If you think its to bright ill fix that, I still want to find the REAL P90 logo.
As to the so many people want to skin it part, he just nags me model after model and eventauly I give in, every single time, however this is the first time I have ever finished anything.
I believe it was 3months before one of his models got finished <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
started modeling january 22 2004 first release was march 12 2004 so more like 1 1/2 months dont worry reddmonkey youll eventualy get a release <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
who said anything about using the same clip? of course it uses the same clip. I said that the animation looked bad, not that the clip was the same. I am looking at the animation at normal speed and it looks bad. It looks nothing like the guy is reloading the gun, he just tosses the clip on the gun and doesn't secure it. He barely touches it when he's putting it in, too.
<img src='http://deepsea.homestead.com/meh_copy.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
3 months sounds better
Baraka your skin could use some definitive lines, and clean up the skin a bit.
other than that.. <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Okay more then not, I shouldnt have said it was a party, because its boring as hell, but I guess some times can be boring like that time we ordered pizza and were just wall blasting (I dont know, we were bored) and then Kelsey squeezed marcs balls (I forget why) and then marc threw up, we ate pizza, and uhhh... I think we were just planning on what to do, it was supposed to be a party but I dont think any of us had any motivation to do anything that night.
Meanwhile theres that one weekend, woah,
-Dan
there's no convincing you that your animation isn't half as good as it could be, is there? you got low standards, bashh
Heres my ideas to make your presence in topics more, easy to hear and understand.
No longer just say 'whats wrong' open up HLMV, take some pictures showing the absoloute parts that does not make the animation 'believable' if needed put them in a row frame after frame, slide show-ish.
And it doesnt hurt to point out whats good in an animation, if your grade one teacher told you "You suck" chances are you would go into grade two a) Telling other people they suck, which is actauly pretty cool for a grade two'er b) Be a damaged shell of a grade two'er.
Anyways,
I know your helping here,
But some times it seems a bit harsh (and I know harsh, most of the time I am).
And also try to remember, we want the reload times to be the same as the actaul reload time, your reload time doesnt slow down just because you have a new model, or if it was just a click of a button it wouldnt speed up ither, this reload obviously would take a longer time in life but in game, you have been practicing reloading for years and it simply takes a pull, a swish, a chuck, and your ready to shoot,
Woah what a long post!
-Dan
exhibit A:
<img src='http://venus.walagata.com/w/frostymoose/p901.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This guy's hand is bent in a crazy way. Far beyond the flexibility of a human wrist. And I can easily see he isn't holding the clip.
exibit B:
<img src='http://venus.walagata.com/w/frostymoose/p902.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
This is the next frame of the animation.
Lucky for this guy he has magnets in his palms, or else he'd have dropped that clip on the ground.
exhibit C:
<img src='http://venus.walagata.com/w/frostymoose/p903.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Still hardly touching that clip...Doesn't look like he got it in place very good. Think it might fall out? me too.
exibit D:
<img src='http://venus.walagata.com/w/frostymoose/p904.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
sweet jesus I'm glad my hands don't look like that.
Any chance of sticking a Aimpoint and Taclight on there?
once its done and released you guys can hack on all the addons you want
once its done and released you guys can hack on all the addons you want <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
huh what where?
i was away for a week but that was all! lol
anyway:
Rebuttle, Exhibit A
<img src='http://www.bai.elixant.com/a_1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
the same frame, yes?
<img src='http://www.bai.elixant.com/a_2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
looks close enough to me. Yes i could have gotten a millimeter closer, oops excuse my margin of error.
Rebuttle, Exhibit B
Yes the next frame looks such, but as you know, the animations do not only play frame by frame, they'll play transitions between frames. Furthermore, to keep up with the speed of the original LMG animation, without speeding up a regular speed animation, i animated as such. with the inertia of placing the clip in so fast, it appears to be fine to me.
Rebuttle, Exhibit C
<img src='http://venus.walagata.com/w/frostymoose/p903.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
your picture
<img src='http://www.bai.elixant.com/c.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
milimeters. cant tell when origined, oh well <b>I</b> can't.
No rebuttle for D, NS hands suck, and so therefore that looks crappy.
Conclusion: Get off my back. No my animations aren't perfect, and i'll never say that they are. I WILL reanimate it if you'd like, sure. If enough people feel that it needs to be. But for the most part i think you're wrong. My appologies if I am.
People take it the wrong way.
Bashh you did good with the animations, but hes just saying that he noticed some tweaks that should be done. Nothing more.
Dont become another err just take some criticism.
Also Frosty, dont be so rude about it, unless you can do better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->