What Happens When...

MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
...Technology reaches a level of complexity in which no person can understand it any longer?

Is there a "technological ceiling", in which we can not advance any further simply because of our own mental limitations?

If so, what happens to civilization? Do we delve into purely artistic and philosophical endeavors?

Comments

  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited June 2004
    I don't think so, I think there is only more and more specialisation and better organisation.

    I don't have to understand/do it all since someone else allready made tools for me to use so I can concentrate on what I want to do or what I want to study kind of thing.
  • [WHO]Them[WHO]Them You can call me Dave Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10593Members, Constellation
    Considering that 99% of technology is just a combination of other technologies which in turn are combinations of other technologies, the worst it will get is that you will have to have a team of people to design modules.

    At this point, it will no longer be something like "Computer Science", it will be more like "Computer Theory" since people literally won't have time to go back all the way to the grass roots of how it works.
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    Right now the school systems that I've seen have ALOT of general education. There may have to be sacrifices to be able to learn the higher level stuff. The worst thing to happen would be that people would have to make a HUGE life choice VERY early in their lives, and would be unable to chose differently later in life when their perspective on life changes.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Most of the theoretical sciences have already reached this point, one person can spend thier whole life trying to develop a system to discribe the simplest of interactions. Personally I belive that developmental progress will stop before functional application technology reaches a glass ceiling. If you have to know the whole thing in order to create greater understanding of the subject, where are you going to find the time to acctually develop and create progress in the outer edges of the science?

    The other major flaw in this question is that it assumes similar lifespans to our own in a future that is still quite far away, and obviously quite advanced at its point anyways.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Because technology is being developed by humans, it is not evolving by itself, there will always be 1 person, or maybe a group of people who can understand it, as [Who] Them said.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    $20 bucks says someone makes an AI with consciousness to do everything for us.
  • CronosCronos Join Date: 2002-10-18 Member: 1542Members
    Thats when we start to enhance brain capacity via cybernetic implants, or find new ways to learn and organise memory.

    Personally I'd try the latter and use the former as a last resort.
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Side note:

    To quote Arthur C. Clarke, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

    (Good thing I checked; I had thought it was Carl Sagan who said it.)
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    I don't know exactly how alot of things work, they're alot more complex than I care to know about, but they still work, and I know how to work them. I have no idea how exactly a CD laser reads the CD and then the game shows up on the computer, but I know that it does.

    So as technology gets more and more complex, the ease of use will still have to be simple so most can use the product.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    Ladies and gentlemen, ^ a modern day Albert Einstein ^

    heh j/k <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I say as technology develops, the state of mind develops with. For example: your grandma wouldn't have a clue how to use the <cliche> VCR </cliche>, but you wouldn't have a clue how to make ammo for the war.
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    When it is too hard for us to understand modern technology , then our brains will evolve (alternatively , we'll be replaced by purely artificial life forms) to gain better learning abilities.
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    I believe that it is very possible to create anything out of our imagination, objectively. (Not a death star <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

    Most people these day and ages do not understand the actual logistics of how certain technologies work, and how they are applied. Sometimes I look at certain objects, zoom out into a different perspective, and marvel at the greatness of human invention. For example: "Who creates which part?" "Where does this come from?" "How 'exactly' does it work?" I feel as if there is a secret society of creation robots on the prowel.
  • EuoplocephalusEuoplocephalus Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13811Members
    As many have said above as technology gets more complex there will be more and more specialization. This happened in teh feild of science; back in the Victorian period one guy could do it all, now your lucky if you can pull off being both an bio-chemist and a molecular chemist at the same time....

    I still feel, however, that there may be a "technological ceiling". It is possible that at some point in the future the body of knowlege about technology, and science for that matter reachs the point where connecting enough specialists to actualy be able to prooduce something new becomes a problem. At that point there would be a slowing down of advancement, that could possibly lead to a complete cessation of our race's "advancement".
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Jun 21 2004, 06:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Jun 21 2004, 06:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When it is too hard for us to understand modern technology , then our brains will evolve (alternatively , we'll be replaced by purely artificial life forms) to gain better learning abilities. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I guess you didn't get the point from that thread about human evolution, which ironically noone has posted in since my post. Humans aren't going to evolve in response to "technology getting too complex for us". Unless of course we start a policy of eugenics and only breed smart people. However, intelligence isn't directly linked to genes, so even that wouldn't work.

    Besides, it's impossible to create something that you don't understand. It's possible to <u>discover</u> something you don't understand, but it's impossible to utilize it - otherwise known as technology - without someone comprehending it. And if someone somewhere can understand this new technology, it can be simplified and taught to other people. However I also agree that eventually the basics will become less and less important, and will basically fall into the realm of common knowledge. A split atom releases energy; where the energy comes from and what form does it take won't be as important as what you can do with the energy.
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    No , I meant we'd enhance our brains artificially to match our technology's complexity - using genetic engineering and/or artificial neurons.
  • KEm1KaL1KEm1KaL1 Lerky Lerky Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13797Members
    One of the points that John Titor (the man who posted on various boards claiming to be a time traveller from the future, now famous) brought up was the fact that music in his time had become purely instrumental, technologically created music reached its peak a bit after our time.

    Not directly related, but still I made the mental link when reading this.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+Jun 22 2004, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ Jun 22 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No , I meant we'd enhance our brains artificially to match our technology's complexity - using genetic engineering and/or artificial neurons. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But that's not what you said.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...our brains will evolve (alternatively , we'll be replaced by purely artificial life forms) to gain better learning abilities.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What you describe isn't evolution. I'm sorry to be nitpicky, but I just hate the misconceptions people have about evolution, just throwing the word around like it's some magical process that makes everything better. ty for being my target, no personal offense was intended.

    And I still believe that either humans will continue to learn and just leave the basics alone, or we will become a society of specialists as stated before - "predestined" to one career path or another, or alternatively we will learn until we come upon a technology that is impossible to use safely, such as tearing wormholes in space-time, and we will destroy ourselves. Nukes won't do it though, I'm sure of that.

    [edit] Dear God I kill discussion threads... [/edit]
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    *STAB STAB STAB*

    There not your fault any more.

    Serioulsy, were talking about a whole lot of what ifs here. You can't assume that AI will take over the pursuit of science before humans develop imortality. For all we know we could be using cerebral implants that give us the processing and memory powers of a computer in 50 years. Use of an undiscovered scientific development as the backbone of a point is really not a fair way to work through this argument.
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