Racism & Heavy Prejudice
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<div class="IPBDescription">Should it be protected by the const?</div> What do you think? I don't mean light things like saying Mexicans are lazy or White People are stupid, or whatever. I mean the heavy- the "White Supremacy", the Aryan Superiority belief, the like.
Should it be protected? If not, set limits?
Should it be protected? If not, set limits?
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WE also have a few other rights that (I think, though my memory could be faulty) are not actualy specificly given, but are there any way (the inaliable rights), those are:
Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness. (property also sorta gets thrown in there)
The line that I have seen the most (and I think is the best) is this:
My Right to swing my fist ends at your face.
Where one persons right starts to remove another persons, then you no longer have that right.
Specifics of this would be:
Burning a cross on some ones lawn (your destroying their property)
Insighting a riot (you are the cause of the riot that killed me, there for you step on my right)
hiring 100 people to spam you with hate literature via phone, fax, email, snail mail, people out side your house etc. This has destroyed my persuit of happiness.
The last one dosn't have to be that extreame (thus why harasment is against the law).
Harasment also is a problem in that the bill of rights allso sets up a few rights based on ethnicity and such.
/me is tired.
If you wana debate this/have me clarify I will try (probably tomorow)
your porblem is not with racist whites, its with every one else who is racist <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
again, I like the freedom of speech factor in our bill of rights. And I do NOT want to see it limited ever (aside from protecting other people's rights), simply b/c then it gets into slipery slope.
Example:
We ban Aryan Nation, White Supremacy, The N Word (As well as all other racial slurs), and hate speach.
Then we decide that, though the world is a better place, it still isn't perfect. And well, we managed to ban racial hatred, we should probably make it illegal to swear (And enforce it).
Well, people can be vulgar with out swearing, so we ban more common insults.
Lets just put it at any form of verbal attack is illegal.
now lets get worse from there <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The KKK can say what they want.
No they can't have a march through time square, but thats b/c THEY would get lynched.
I also can say what I want (and that is that the kkk is filled with poopy heads!)
Freedom of speach is one of those things that needs to never be touched, lest it be ransacked.
There are already limits to freedom of speech. You can't go around threatening people for the hell of it. You can't incite riots or yell "fire" in a crowded theater. If you're a student at a public school, your freedom of speech is even more limited by what you can wear, say, etc.
Your problem seems to be more with double standards than with freedom of speech issues.
Though racism of ANY type deeply annoys me, free speech much be preserved in this case, so that it isn't put down in any case where it needs to be there.
That's a horrible idea.
You allways need to openly question what you learn. There is no doubt in my mind that most wars and the dark and middle ages would have been much less severe if everyone whould have just questioned the stuff they where thought. This isn't possible in such an opressive environment(worse yet, in the dark ages questioning the raining doctrin was good grounds to be beheaded, but without all the brilliant people who sacrifised their life for free flow of knowledge and freedom of thought and speach we would still be in the dark ages today, ruled by powerhungry 'religious leaders').
You allways need the abillity to protest in some form. In compulsory school you more or less have an implied agreement that you will behave somewhat nicely or suffer consequences. This is enough, you can allways leave, take it up with the principal or otherwise argue for your cause.
I managed to avoid a lot of demeaning and useless crap in school without it affecting my grades too much. It's totally senseless that you should have to partake in traditions you don't agree with or do things which you consider demeaning, this isn't learning at all which is why you are there.
For example, in third grade I had a real **** of a teacher, she insisted that everyone should learn at the same pace, if your done with the math/puzzle book thingie, you wait for the rest of the class before you get the next, more difficult book. This is obviously absurd, so me and a few others openly protested and had some discussion with the principal who agreed, it IS freaking absurd.
The same teacher felt like reading religious junk to us. I'm not talking learning about other religions in a factual manner, but actually reading junk from the bible. The principal agreed after the issue was brought up that this isn't very productive and she was forced to teach religious subjects in an objective manner(as well as getting several very angry phone calls).
I allways hated christmas shows and such garbage, and so did many others in my class. They aren't productive and they aren't fun so there is no point in having to attend them. Arguing with the teacher didn't help on this occasion either(not the same teacher). Arguing with the principal wasn't all that productive either. So why don't we agree to show up and not watch(read a book, listen to music or something) and boooo at the top of your lungs when they finish?
None of us was forced to watch another crappy show without informational value after that(we did watch shakespear though, as boring as it is that does have informational value).
I find being forced to dance demeaning(and I seemed to be the only one as well). So in PE class I got into an argument with the teacher and flat out refused. He quoted that it was in the course plan and it's something we're supposed to learn. Basically I stated that I'd do whatever else in the mean time but that I shouldn't have to do something I find demeaing. He didn't agree I took the argument to the principal who didn't agree either. So basically I looked at what the demands where to pass PE class, which were more or less to show up most of the time and partake in most excercises. Well, no problem I can just sit and read out of the physics book or something whenever it's time to dance and that would be only a minor portion of classes that I miss.
My PE teacher hated me for it but he couldn't give me anything less than a passing grade(not that I was <i>that</i> bad at the rest of the stuff but I can't say I showed that much enthusiasm, especially not at orientation(is this the correct translation?), which was allways done in the autumn(in the Swedish autumn expect ~5-20 degrees celcius and either rain or everything being wet from a recent rain). And a lot of those box flag things where placed in swampy areas(blue dashed areas on the map) or torn down and missplaced by the slighly malicious students). The grade scale in Sweden is IG(equivalent of F), G(pass ~ D-C), VG(B) and MVG(A), it's sort of like they merged C and D grades.
I've learnt alot more by protesting and standing up for myself than the little of any value I have missed(e.g. dancing, won't ever have any use for this and it's something I don't even want to know and it isn't a prerequirement for anything except learning even more about dancing).