How To Stay Alive?

Stimpy · June 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">as a gorge</div> So i would like know how you stay alive as a gorge.

Beginning of the round, some of you may ->gorge and build restower ->back to skulk or hit the kill button. But if u choose to stay as a gorge, what do you do if some rambo marine comes and tries to hunt you down. Well if I'm lucky i can circle around restower like a mad and get him killed with spit. I've noticed that is waste of resources if you build OC when marine has noticed you, it is even easier to hit gorge if it's building. Best tactic i've used is to evolve to skulk once the marine sees you, when you evolve the unupgraded marine can't kill unless he is next to you. As the marine comes closer, shoots his lmg empty and starts reloading you finish evolving, have full health and now you take out the sorry marine. But I would like to know what evil plans you had come up? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

NEO_Phyte · June 2004

if he is a smart marine, he will switch to pistol rather than reload, then knife (if you arent already dead)

Necrosis · June 2004

Celerity and sprinting around the map keeps you alive.

You can wing it with any DC upgrade, to be honest Cara is a safe bet as you should NOT be hit more than once with any weapon.

Plus cara goes well with focus and adren/celer if you intend to battle gorge it.

I suggest using the MAAAAAAAAAP and watching out for marines attacking teammates. Try and keep in "friendly territory" and be aware that if you're the only thing on the far side of the map then chances are you're going to bump into some flanking marines. Try and stay just behind the front lines and place your chambers tactically.

Stimpy · June 2004

I suggest you try it, it doesn't take so long to evolve skulk so he could knife you. I admit it won't work every time but I say it has better chances than trying to spit him.

edit : To error <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

JimBowen · June 2004

Is staying gorge after you have dropped your rt a viable option? I alwalys skulk for res.

douchebagatron · June 2004

why? its a waste of 10 res for gorge, why not wait until you have enough for another res tower.

Recoup · June 2004

Yeah, why waste 10 more res for the gorge? Just get redemption...

AveSatanas · June 2004

I usually go gorge and of course drop one rt or one chamber. After that , I usual stay permagorge for as long as possible. Staying near skulks is safe/dangerous because there's marines and then there's skulks protecting you and you helping them by healing. As my res gradually increases I usually drop a rt or a oc but only to warn me if a marine is coming or in choke points. I usually barely capped double rts, cause that's what the marines want you to do. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /> power

Amplifier · June 2004

If you learn how to bhop, gorges can move VERY quickly

juice · June 2004

You must get to the rt you're going to drop the instant the game starts. Otherwise a smart rambo will be there to kill you. What happens is this: "comm, what's their hive?" (Say the map is veil) "Oh, their hive is sub." "Ok, thanks" (Marine bolts to cargo, the "best" rt to drop, when, in fact, since the marines know this is the best rt to drop, it will be first on their hit list) It takes longer for you to run to cargo, go gorge, and build the rt than it does for mr.rambo to get there if he doesn't hesitate to build anything at marine start. I would suggest just going to pipe, because most likely they'll stop to build emergency if they're not turbo-gorge hunting and the comm doesn't listen for gorges too frequently. This gives you time, the most important resource. The "mini-game" of 1st rt placement is actually pretty complicated, as you can see by this example. Even your gorges can be smart and influence the game substantially. I can't tell you how many games I won as marine on veil by just running to cargo to kill the aliens' brand new rt.

I only stay gorge after dropping an rt if I trust my teammates(like in a pug). But, heck, I only DROP rts when I trust my teammates(or in small games). As in, trust them to go fade instead of me, and use it well, like I would. If you're good at "sixth sensing" where marines are, by having a feeling of where they're going just by the encounters you've been keeping track of with your map, or the LACK of encounters(which says just as much about where they are), and intel from teammates, then you should be able to provide forward healing to your skulks, making you more valuable. And no biggie if you die. But like the skulk, gorge needs bhop to get around quickly enough to be most useful in this role. Another case where you'll want to go back skulk is if you have sensory. Unless you somehow are very close to 10 res for a sensory chamber, just go skulk again to contain the marines with cloak or focus. If you're sitting around as gorge while marines are off electrifying res everywhere or locking the hive (counters to sens) then you're not helping the team in the way you should.

And spit CAN kill marines pretty quickly if you hit with every one. I find it is better for a gorge to get very close to kill with spit because of its slow velocity, when you're 1v1. Wait for the marine to come around the rt to kill you, then pretend you're a skulk, hehe. He is tall and you are short. Jump up and down and he may miss a few shots trying to get the vertical dimension of aim right, while you only have to worry about horizontal. This could give you the time you need to kill him. Oh yeah, 9 out of 10 good gorges agree, cara is the upgrade of choice.

ASnogarD · June 2004

I usually go perma gorge at the start of the round in maps with a reasonably easy to defend dbl res points, I rush to dbl and setup a single OC in such a position that the marine must enter the dbl res room before he can shoot the OC, between me spitting and the OC the marine usually dies...or runs away in which case a skulk usually takes him becase I report 'marine at dbl' before the fight <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Most maps I go gorge, drop a res and go skulk and hang around near adventurous gorges... defend the gorge and get healed after the fight <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

I find a lot of gorges try use rt's as a shield, this is effective till the marine closes in for the kill, this is where the hide behind a rt tactic is a bad thing because theres precious little doging room and the gorge has problems spitting the marine. I prefer to try take out the marines in a wider area where I can dodge, jump and strafe while spitting the marine to death.

Long range spitting is a waste of adren. unless your target is AFK or a total new player...it only attracts unwanted attention.

But the biggest and should be most obvious tip is to avoid getting into marine v gorge situations in the first place. Use your ears, a ninja marine can't walk everywhere... they usually run till they are in a potentially dangerous spot or hear some noise. As a gorge you should listen for the boots of the marines and if you are building ...report marine position ,stop building (unless its a nearly finished OC - a gorge building makes a very distinct sound) and get away. I often take time to scout a hide position before I get down to serious structure placement.

grim2 · June 2004

hmmm i might use this in BFTG go <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /> POWER <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /> VS <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /> ownage for gorge if we use these ideas.

dReady · June 2004

I find it very helpful if skulks "mark" all or most of the rines by parasiting. this gives me extra-info to survive.

kiwi · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necrosis @ Jun 10 2004, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Celerity and sprinting around the map keeps you alive.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
clerity and just run towards nearest skulk... normally works for me. plus with clerity build faster right <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

but at start of the game i just get regen and try my best to say away from marines. normally works if you know how to use your map and listen for a marine

CommunistWithAGun · June 2004

bhop+regen=never die

Wirhe · June 2004

I do the obvious: run behind the skulk, see a marine and tail for it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Usually not a single death that way. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Talesin · June 2004

I'm usually the early-game chamber-dropper, as well as have been a psycho-gorge since 1.0. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Tips:<ul><li>Redemption is your friend, if you're an assaulter-gorge</li><li>Do not run away from Marines. Charge them. This confuses them and will make them miss, more often than not.</li><li>If you hear more than one Marine, yell out where you are, and that you need assistance from a Skulk. Hide. Charge if they find you.</li><li>Spit is powerful when you are alone. It'll kill a Marine faster than he can unload his LMG at you, if you aim well.</li><li>When in the company of Skulks, ignore their mockery. Your healing spray will be what saves their butts.</li><li>Have a button bound to 'Drop OC'. When Gorgedancing, if you just can't kill the Marine, eventually the OC will come up.</li><li>Gorgedancing is a valuable skill. Learn it. Love it. Keep an RT, pillar, or Marine handy to dance with.</li><li>Bunnyhopping Gorges go faster than you'd expect, but it can be tricky to get it right as a fatty.</li></ul>

Wirhe · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Redemption is your friend, if you're an assaulter-gorge</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Except that it never works, and you're soon-be-pork.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Do not run away from Marines. Charge them. This confuses them and will make them miss, more often than not.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Or then you run straight to their crosshair and get porked.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If you hear more than one Marine, yell out where you are, and that you need assistance from a Skulk. Hide. Charge if they find you.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
And if anyone hears, it's usually two seconds after you have been porked and sauced, probably also grinded and eaten too.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Spit is powerful when you are alone. It'll kill a Marine faster than he can unload his LMG at you, if you aim well.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
So true; if you can aim well. And the marine nicely stays put for the anti-gravity goo to hit.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>When in the company of Skulks, ignore their mockery. Your healing spray will be what saves their butts.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
And if not, prepare to tail for it like hell, for you just got your 15 minutes in fame.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Have a button bound to 'Drop OC'. When Gorgedancing, if you just can't kill the Marine, eventually the OC will come up.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Or more likely the marine knifes you, the shoots down the OC, and thinks: "Dummass, 25 res wasted. Lucky me."

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

MarineAnimal · June 2004

Wirhe, you are so negative. But you're right too <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' />

My tips:

1)Bunnyhop
2)Bunnyhop
3)Stay out of battle. Marines will target the little fatty over a fade or onos <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />
4)Bunnyhop
5)Bunnyhop

I have done this before:

Say the map is ns_nothing, and you are by generator (not the elevator side). A marine comes from the elevator and you start spitting from the doorway. You bunnyhop to miasma, and then spit from there. Bunnyhop to the next corner, and spit. Bunnyhop to the next (by the other elevator) and keep spitting. The marine won't expect you to be so far away <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Stewie · June 2004

Well, I can tell you what to not do ...

-Charging into an HA Soultrain
-Putting the BeeGees song "Stayin' Alive" on, "You should be dancing" works very fine, strangely enough <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

There was some other stuff but I forgot

ThinG · June 2004

Don't listen to Stewie!

He runs over puppies with his car in his spare time!

To stay alive as a gorge, I find that regen and/or celerity (or bunnyhopping, oh no!) help quite a bit ^_^

Talesin · June 2004

Wirhe, perhaps that's what happens with you... but then, there are some people who can work it. My post was oriented toward those who weren't fatalistic, and actually enjoy trying something new now and again. (Such as occasionally starting out with Movement, or *gasp* Sensory, and stomping the Marines horrifically)

Gorgedance + Redemption == Time for redemption to kick in.

Marines are used to seeing Gorges trying to run away. It's startling, and buys a half-second that the Marine cannot afford.. as well as throws off their coordination. Even 'Vets' are suceptible... and not just the quick-joined ones.

A gorge is a powerful tool, if you don't get stuck in the rut of thinking that they're only builders. They're an offense class too, and are exceptional in groups. Hell, have you ever been on the recieving end of a gorge rush? It's humiliating, painful, and *unexpected*. But it works, when you have Gorges who aren't thinking 'must gestate NOW!!!'.

DC_Darkling · June 2004

bhop away, spit attack while strafing around objects. And healspray for the area effect dmg.

Stimpy · June 2004

Thanks for the tips guys. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

I was wondering, will you have to aim at marine when you use heal spray to damage him.

and i've noticed when marines come to knife me i can use the "crack" jump when he hit me with the knife.

Also i would like to here more of the weirdest/cleverest tactics you have used, if you dear to tell you secrets. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

CommunistWithAGun · June 2004

A truly good gorge is never seen by the enemy. Ever.

Wirhe · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Wirhe, perhaps that's what happens with you... but then, there are some people who can work it. My post was oriented toward those who weren't fatalistic, and actually enjoy trying something new now and again</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
What? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /> Do you say that I'm cursed or something? I'm not even particularly blood-thirsty (even though I eat my stakes raw at times) and I certainly enjoy of doing something again and again and again and again and every time doing it again in a DIFFERENT way. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> A truly good gorge is never seen by the enemy. Ever.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Listen that fella; he has the best hint hidden to that phrase. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

Chods · June 2004

one of the better gorges ive seen and played with, b-hopped backwards while spitting at me. he almost killed me as well.

im_lost · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I was wondering, will you have to aim at marine when you use heal spray to damage him?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
You don't really need to aim. If you can see the marine and they aren't too far away, heal spray should hit them.

Lito · June 2004

IMO, permagorging is hurting the team more than its helping it.

Sure, you save the 10 res, and just wait for 15 res to trickle in and then make another rt. But what are you doing while you're waiting? Absolutely nothing. Besides the occational "Heal me, gorgie", you're not contributing defensively or offensively. You're cannonfodder, a free kill.

Now of course situation changes with how fast your resource is trickling in, but even so, if you're getting resources fast enough, why do you need to save up for that other res node?

/kill in console, kill stuff, regain the 10 res AS res is trickling in for the 15, regorge, put down the other res node. Its not a waste: You're killing marines, you're taking down marine res nodes, you're stunting marine growth. You want to give up those important aspects of the game just because you don't want to spend 10 res again just to gorge?

No thanks, i'll put down my rt, and skulk back kthx.

I'm not saying permagorging is a bad thing, but to say "Don't waste the 10 res, sit around doing nothing until 15 res comes in then put down another res node" is a really bad strategy.

Back on topic: as Talesin described, gorgedancing around stuff that take the damage for you (like a res node) is your best bet. While doing so, spit and scream for back-up.

Talesin · June 2004

Bah. I guess it just means that it'll be even more unexpected when I rush into a Marine and kill him with spit, given that people seem to think that Gorges are worthless in combat.

Again. If you know what you're doing, and how to handle a Gorge, they're just as deadly (if not moreso) than a Skulk. A decent Gorge can handle one Marine pretty easily. Two gets a little 'iffy'. Three, you'll probably get toasted, but take at least one down with you. Redemption however lets you kill that one Marine, and warp back to the Hive. I've ticked off many Marine teams by charging in, killing one, and -blip-.... back to safety.

Sops · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stimpy @ Jun 10 2004, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So i would like know how you stay alive as a gorge.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
If it's a good rine or a well upgraded rine, run like hell

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