Can A Marine Win Against Fade?
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Join Date: 2004-05-28 Member: 28964Members
Join Date: 2004-05-28 Member: 28964Members
<div class="IPBDescription">1 vs 1 i mean</div> Marine with shotty vs Basic Fade
I find my self in this place often i find it very difficult to kill a fade with a shotty. I do get very clean shots on the fade but with its blink/metabolize it seems as though it cannot i be done...funny thing is i have gotten more pistol fade kills than shotty fade kills
I find my self in this place often i find it very difficult to kill a fade with a shotty. I do get very clean shots on the fade but with its blink/metabolize it seems as though it cannot i be done...funny thing is i have gotten more pistol fade kills than shotty fade kills
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but usually it doesn't happen
fades can own u in small tight corridors, but if u are whacking them hard and ur buddy is blocking the exit, then he will be owned so fast its rofl-able
edit: plus the word teamwork comes into mind... y take on a fade without someone else for fade to kill? (teamwork for some ppl means someone else for aliens to kill)
though the more marines and fades there are, the bigger the chance the marines will win (for example 6 shotgunners/hmgers against 6 fades) since it's much easier for marines to focus fire on one fade, and quickly finish him off than for fades to focus fire on a marine
Even so, if a fade sees meds he should make the decision to back off. It's really up to him whether he hands you the oppurtunity to kill him or not.
A well oiled marine team can always make a fade useless, by putting themselves in a dominant position, damaging the fade enough that he has to back off, then moving forward to another dominant position, but to kill him? I think that's the fade's decision. I guess I mean I haven't seen any tricks that aren't blatantly obvious to an alien's point of view (one that's looking for them, anyway).
doh. if a terrorist breaks into the house of the player who plays the fade, and shoots him, then the marine will win aswell
but i'm refering to realistic situations with decent players
decent players don't miss blinks
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In another case, I also managed to pistol 2 fades in the back while they were fleeing.
In both cases, I had at least lvl 1 weapons (it was a long time ago, can't remember). I think that a decent accuracy, combined with a little luck and teamwork will take down most fades. Also, a distracted fade is a dead fade.
Ya that's what i was trying to get at.
As for with a shotgun, it's fairly possible with high levels and a bit of dodging... I'd say that 25% of all my encounters in this fashion end with them dead, which isn't terrible when you consider how much they cost vs how much you're worth.
Terrain> In fact, tighter places are better for marines. Open places, ironically are good for fades and terrible for marines. Example: In co_kestrel, the MS is a big place. Fades can blink around freely. The most damaging weapons are shotgun and HMG, but they are pathetic at medium-long range. However, in a corridor, the same fade that massacres 5 marines in MS dies before killing 1 marine.
Tight corridors also allow the blockage of exit points. However, in NS you never get those kinds of concentrated marines in normal rt capping - destroying mode, so that's when many marines lose the game. This leads to point #2...
Team-presence (not -work...) > Give up on teamwork for a while. Sometimes it's just too hard or too quick for it to happen. But if there is at least 1 marine with you the following will ALWAYS happen. [1] 1 marine can get hit but the 2nd marine onwards is untouched. [2] 2 marines and above are shooting at the target.
2 LMGs dish weak constant damage a fade can monitor and scram. 1 shotgun and 1 LMG can hurt a close in fade and the LMG takes it out while running and moving in. 2 shotguns can kill a fade so fast it isn't funny.
Likewise, the best ways I've found to kill fades and even onos are in sieges. Camp outside a hive. You can siege the hive with impunity. Marines are at their best defending. Fades and onos throw themselves at marines to try and stop them. The massed marines, and with heavy weapons, own the fades and onos. Sentries or mines add extra, even over-kill firepower. Onos stomp can be evaded by being on a turret, TF, or just terrain. And this leads to 3rd point...
Firepower> Let's get this straight. Res-costing heavy weapons are always > L3 LMGs. If you can get L3 Heavy weapons, the game's no challenge anyway. L3 LMGs hurt fades but don't kill them typically, whereas even L0 heavy weapons can kill a fade. Throw in 2 marines with L0 heavy weapons vs 2 marines with L3 LMG and the difference is there.
But to your original question, the idea is to survive long enough to kill the fade. You survive either via meds or by dodging, or by having high armour (not HA... a fade seeing 1 HA will instinctively hit and fade to slowly wear a HA down. With a LA, fades usually try to get you in 1 run). A L3 LMG will never give you enough FP to kill a fade, unless you're assuming an impossible 100% hit-rate. Shotguns are kewl, but a fade should know to run when it's been hit twice by shotgunners. But sometimes I find myself chasing a marine for the last hit when he kills me, as I've taken 4 shotgun hits in a row but didn't realise it. That said, HMG is probably the most reliable. Fade moves in, you get some rounds off. It tries to chase you and it gets hit more times. It runs away, you get more rounds off. Chances are it will die.
If the terrain is tight you can aim more easily, or rather you don't need to aim as much. In short, IMO for 1 marine vs 1 fade, best chance for win is L3 armour and HMG in a tight corridor or space.
So, yes, it is possible for a lone Marine to kill a Fade. This is not always true and the likelihood of this happening against anything other than a complete n00b Fade who spends his time swiping at the wall is extremely slim.. but it is possible.
but a fade who likes to blink in - swipe a few times- blink out. is going to get a few shotty hits, fades armour (if you are a big fade player) is relativly low, its blink/meta that makes ppl think fades are god like. anyway back to the point, u get a few shotty shells in, say 3 maybe 4, u know the fade has **** all armour, now heres the key, works alot for me, spark out your knife, the fade comes in hoping to hit you being cocky shi1ts <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> quick switch to shotgun, get that vital shot in, fade gets scared. blinks out, but as hes blinking whip out the pistol, and due to nice laggy hitboxes, u will 9/10 times kill them round the corner they are blinking round.
favourite spot to do this: waste handling nice open space, fade blinking to central access he has a much reduced chance 1 on 1 with a marine with semi-decent aim.
I can't believe how many fades have trouble with a marine that ducks <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Noob fades can be fairly efficiently shotgunned. Anything other than noob and you will very likely die. An expert fade player will be able to take out a 3/3 shotty LA with little to no effort.
Thats sort of why the Fade is the premier assault unit in the Kharaa lineup. If it couldn't beat a single rine with no backup then it'd be a pretty crappy "higher evolution".
So, yes, it is possible for a lone Marine to kill a Fade. This is not always true and the likelihood of this happening against anything other than a complete n00b Fade who spends his time swiping at the wall is extremely slim.. but it is possible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, he probably lagged out..
If only one hive and at least lv2 weapons, yeah; it can be done with a bit of luck and crazy hopping -even if you have just a LMG. But with a sg, it's easy. The fade just needs to get stuck/blink to a wrong spot so you get a clear aim, BOOM says the granny-gun and down goes the fade.
At two hives I would say it's very, very unlikely; even if the fade gets stuck. He has enough armor then to survive a few blasts and thus enough time to find a way out. If it is a open area, I'd say the marine is 99% dead. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Here's the other part of the equation: why are you solo if you have a shotty/hmg? If you're playing NS, then you are a waste of res. If you're playing classic, you're just feeding the kharaa. You should never try to take anything solo.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->?? Not if the marine is an expert too... especially if the aliens only have 1 hive. Lots of clans don't even get a proto, they just use LA/Weapon to win.