Help With Skinning.

TheUdderOneTheUdderOne Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28471Members
in NS Customization
Ok, i've read shite loads of tutorials and i still suck at it.

Basically, I've made the image below in an attempt to cover common things that u might skin (like the grooves on a colt slide, etc.)

The annoying thing is the raised or indented text.

I really want a stamped effect like there would be if the metal had been stamped in the factory.

Ne ideas?

<img src='http://i.domaindlx.com/TheUdderOne/test2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Link may be lame but meh.
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  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    u better edit ur post to take out ya swearing or a mod will go through you
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    Here comes teh mod police!
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  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    anyhow i really suck at skinning but text is pretty basic


    in adobe- start with filters to get a metal effect

    filter>Render>Clouds> artistic>sponge-0.0.1
    Image>ajustments>brightness/contrast set brightness to about -10 then contrast to - 40

    reading a tut on basic metal would be a better idea -with the lighting aswell

    then using the text tool write in wotever u want

    then using the dodge tool and go around 1 side depending on wot angle u want the light sourse to be comeing from check pics below
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  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    edited May 2004
    with dodge

    sorry bout bad pic quallity had to enlarge pic
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  • -Drake--Drake- -dn ʎɐʍ sıɥʇ- Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15125Members
    then i would just go over the text again with the burn tool incase it looks to shallow

    and behold crppy text !
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  • DelarosaDelarosa Naturally Custom Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10214Members, NS1 Playtester
    i use numb_rider's technique...


    dark text as top layer, light text as under layer, slightly offset in the right direction considering your lightsource...


    use a bigger and bolder font than that... it's worth it.
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  • DillingerDillinger Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18700Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+May 22 2004, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ May 22 2004, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i use numb_rider's technique...


    dark text as top layer, light text as under layer, slightly offset in the right direction considering your lightsource...


    use a bigger and bolder font than that... it's worth it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeap. That's much easier and gives a better look. Depending on the background, setting the text layer to Overlay works nicely too.
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  • TheUdderOneTheUdderOne Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28471Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->or a mod will go through you <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ouch?

    Thanks guys, other stuff looks ok tho?
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  • BijiyBijiy Fantastic Damage Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23697Members
    edited May 2004
    I use a dark text and then duplicate that layer and move it under the original, then shift it over left and down a pixel. Then use the blur filter on both layers. I used it in the pic below.

    [edit:I adjusted the opacity on the lower/lighter layer of text to like 50-40% or lower]
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  • TheUdderOneTheUdderOne Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28471Members
    Tis exactly what i wuz looking fer. cheers bijiy et al.

    Do the colt-like grooves look ok tho?
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  • BijiyBijiy Fantastic Damage Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23697Members
    Yeah for a 'first' outing it looks good.
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  • DreamScarDreamScar Join Date: 2004-04-17 Member: 27982Members
    edited May 2004
    what program are you using Udder? The blending on the burn effect is a bit f00ked. I think the grooves are a bit slim and dark.

    Also, unless that long thing is supposed to be a hole (which it shouldn't be, as its a groove), its too dark. Just duplicate the layer, make your selection, then delete everything else. Then just darken that selection a bit, do your shading and highlighting and it will be much better).
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  • MerchantMerchant Join Date: 2004-05-22 Member: 28827Members
    edited May 2004
    <img src='http://www.shitsock.org/example1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
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  • CMF_FatalCMF_Fatal Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24792Members
    edited May 2004
    k, i like to use keyboard shortcuts...ALOT...but heres how i learned to do text, engravings, etc.

    make your layer (im guessing your using photoshop) of text, or solid black logo, etc.
    hold control and click that layer in the layer box. it should select the contents. now delete that layer but leave the selection. go back to editing the backgound layer. nows heres the tricky part. there are MANY different directions for your light. but heres whats most common. with your selection on the base layer, use the burn tool on a really large brush and bout 45 exp. completely fill your selection. now on the keyboard press the down arrow once or twice and then right the same amount. now for engravings, use the dodge tool on large brush and fill that selection. for a hole, get black as your foreground color and press alt+backspace. heres short, un narrorated video of what i mean... tell me if its of any use..im plannining on making a lot of tutorial videos on all such of things in the future. <a href='http://www.hivesight.com/uploads/tutorial.avi' target='_blank'>click here</a>

    edit: merchant posted as i did... i like that blood! any idea where i can d/l some nice grunge brushes, or how to reset my brushes? cuz i pick a different a categorie of brush and it lost the defaults :o
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  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    hello merchant! finaly we get some of the good skinners from the TS forums <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> hope you stick around buddy
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  • MerchantMerchant Join Date: 2004-05-22 Member: 28827Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-CMF_FATAL+May 22 2004, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMF_FATAL @ May 22 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> k, i like to use keyboard shortcuts...ALOT...but heres how i learned to do text, engravings, etc.

    make your layer (im guessing your using photoshop) of text, or solid black logo, etc.
    hold control and click that layer in the layer box. it should select the contents. now delete that layer but leave the selection. go back to editing the backgound layer. nows heres the tricky part. there are MANY different directions for your light. but heres whats most common. with your selection on the base layer, use the burn tool on a really large brush and bout 45 exp. completely fill your selection. now on the keyboard press the down arrow once or twice and then right the same amount. now for engravings, use the dodge tool on large brush and fill that selection. for a hole, get black as your foreground color and press alt+backspace. heres short, un narrorated video of what i mean... tell me if its of any use..im plannining on making a lot of tutorial videos on all such of things in the future. <a href='http://www.hivesight.com/uploads/tutorial.avi' target='_blank'>click here</a>

    edit: merchant posted as i did... i like that blood! any idea where i can d/l some nice grunge brushes, or how to reset my brushes? cuz i pick a different a categorie of brush and it lost the defaults :o <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You right click and go to reset brushes.

    And yes, I dont plan on leaving, not with these smilies.

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  • CMF_FatalCMF_Fatal Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24792Members
    w00t, found some nice grunge brushes...here a little play i did messin around...

    <img src='http://www.clan-cmf.com/forums/uploads/post-23-1085212493.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
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  • DreamScarDreamScar Join Date: 2004-04-17 Member: 27982Members
    wow, maybe a bit TOO much blood on that. Also, try picking a less bright red. Use the swatches window, it is your friend when choosing nice colors.
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  • MerchantMerchant Join Date: 2004-05-22 Member: 28827Members
    What you want to look out for with grunge brushes is how they suddenly end, often in a square shape, so it looks like your blood is just painted on there, because it stops suddenly.
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  • CMF_FatalCMF_Fatal Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24792Members
    yeah,didnt notice tili saved it cuz for some reason photoshop likes to save stuff ALOT darker than i see while making the image, and makes stuff stand out i didnt see before.

    btw, anyone happen to d/l that video i posted earlier? i was expecting a little c & c on it :o but anways, this is a nice thread... ppl can read this and get quite a bit of help...
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  • DreamScarDreamScar Join Date: 2004-04-17 Member: 27982Members
    also, on the original post's pic, if you are gonna highlight that top piece like that, you should really add some burning to the very top above it. Makes it look more 3d. If you still cant do the indented text and want to be lazy, you can always use the bevel feature...
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  • CMF_FatalCMF_Fatal Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24792Members
    also, you may already know this, but another one of my fav keyboard shortcuts.... hold shift while painting a straight up or down line and it will be perfect;ly straight no matter how far you stray from the line...
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  • DreamScarDreamScar Join Date: 2004-04-17 Member: 27982Members
    edited May 2004
    lol, that's like skinning 101. Judging by his highlight line, I'd say he knows it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    [edit]

    Oh, and if you think metal is hard, try making wood. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    "Click, drag, alt, click. Click, drag, alt, click. Click, drag, alt, click. Click, drag, alt, click. Click, drag, alt, click. "

    "Skinning 101!"
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  • CMF_FatalCMF_Fatal Join Date: 2003-12-27 Member: 24792Members
    rofl, aka duplicating <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> very usefull.
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  • Numb_RiderNumb_Rider Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28261Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-DreamScar+May 23 2004, 01:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DreamScar @ May 23 2004, 01:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol, that's like skinning 101.  Judging by his highlight line, I'd say he knows it.  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    [edit]

    Oh, and if you think metal is hard, try making wood.  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    making wood i find quite easy, yours looks nice there.
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  • DreamScarDreamScar Join Date: 2004-04-17 Member: 27982Members
    well, your a feckin skinning God, so you dont count... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • Dark_SoulDark_Soul Hive King Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22527Members
    just go to enins site:
    <a href='http://st.gaming-interactive.com/' target='_blank'>http://st.gaming-interactive.com/</a>

    best metal tutorials

    period
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  • Numb_RiderNumb_Rider Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28261Members
    tutorials won't help you develop your own style <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> they're ok for learning basics though :/
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  • TheUdderOneTheUdderOne Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28471Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->what program are you using Udder? The blending on the burn effect is a bit f00ked. I think the grooves are a bit slim and dark.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Am using Photoshop 7.0

    Cheers for all the help guys, shud b able to get the effects i want now.

    That video was excellent btw, cheers.
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