"vacuum" Attacks

Sarisel · May 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">search for an explanation</div> I'm sure that pretty much everybody has experienced the two types of attacks that can occur with melee weapons. One results in a knockback type of effect and the other results in a vacuum-pulling type of effect.

As far as I know, the knockback was coded to be part of the game and has been debated many times on these forums. However, I have not seen anyone mention the vacuum effect that occurs at times.

So far, I have noticed this with the knife, skulk bite, fade swipe, lerk bite, onos gore - basically the reverse of knockback, the target is pulled towards you instead of being pushed away. I'm looking for an explanation of why this happens, whether it is a bug or a feature, and how to reproduce it reliably.

UKchaos · May 2004

I think the 'vacuum' effect is due to the client side netcode.

e.g A fade makes a sucessful hit on a marine but the message from the client to the server is lagged and the marine is allowed to continue as if nothing happened. When the server receives the message a few ms later, it corrects the situation by moving the marine back to where he had been when the fade hit him.

Sarisel · May 2004

I doubt it is netcode related since you, the attacker, see the enemy getting sucked in towards you. Amusing when you suck in an onos or fade with your knife as it is running away.

Forlorn · May 2004

I think this happens because it registers as a hit on <b>the reverse side of the target</b>, which then pushes the target away from the point of impact... right into you.

Thereby creating the vaccum effect.

Dubbilex · May 2004

Getting hit slows down the player that got hit, correct? It only makes sense that, for instance, chasing down and biting a fleeing marine on the heels would make you catch up to him much quicker, and run into him. That is, I don't think this happens with two stationary players.

*shrug*

But I definitely could be wrong.

niftyguy · May 2004

If your strafing to your left while u hit someone, it might appear to be getting pulled to you although hes not. Its just knocking him to the left of your view at the time of attack.

Sarisel · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ May 8 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Getting hit slows down the player that got hit, correct? It only makes sense that, for instance, chasing down and biting a fleeing marine on the heels would make you catch up to him much quicker, and run into him. That is, I don't think this happens with two stationary players.

*shrug*

But I definitely could be wrong.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
disproven by the rule of knockback

Licho · May 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ May 8 2004, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think this happens because it registers as a hit on <b>the reverse side of the target</b>, which then pushes the target away from the point of impact... right into you.

Thereby creating the vaccum effect.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Yes, I had same idea reading original post.. most likely explanation.. when your "teeth" are too deep inside target..

the_hole · May 2004

it's called a suction bite.. =O

edit: don't listen to admiral, he hacks his skulk's bites and hitboxes.

a_civilian · May 2004

It may be related to how melee weapons actually push their target to the side.

Roger_Dodger · May 2004

I find it quite disorienting when a rine sucks and pushes your onos about with his knife while your chuckling at him. The worst part is not being able to run away from the knife when your a gorge.

Forlorns idea does sound the most plausible though.

- RD

Insomnia · May 2004

I dont believe its caused by a melee hit contacting with the opposite side of the player. At first it makes sense with bite because bite has long range, but then you can suck onos up with a knife. Theres no way that a knife can register on the other side of the onos, so it must be something else.

"vacuum" Attacks

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