Steam

ZenZen Join Date: 2004-05-07 Member: 28524Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What do you think about steam</div> I wana know if you like steam!
Because i HATE steam!!!!!
Why did they make NS 3.0 ONLY Steam
It shoud be 2ver. of 3.0
1.Steam (for the 30% that uses steam)
2.Won (for the 250% that uses standard HL online system)



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  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about, otherwise you would know why they are going over to Steam.

    BTW 3.0 is only a BETA, if you hate Steam that much go play with the minority left playing 2.01...
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    edited May 2004
    If im not mistaken NS 3.0 is compatible with WON, someone even made a zip file with all the correct files to get it to work on WON, since normally you need steam installed to get it to install.

    As for steam hate it gets locked awfully fast round here, so unless you have some constructive reason why you hate steam, keep it to yourself.
  • ZenZen Join Date: 2004-05-07 Member: 28524Members
    Ok ok. sorry!
    But wil they make one whitout steam?
  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zen_+May 7 2004, 11:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zen_ @ May 7 2004, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok ok. sorry!
    But wil they make one whitout steam? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No. Face it won is gone for good.
  • ElvenThiefElvenThief aka Elven Thief (ex. NS Programmer) Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8754Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I can't say for sure, but it's doubtful that there will be a "won only" version again.
    Steam is what everything is migrating to. If you don't like it, don't come here to complain about it - we've heard it enough.
  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    edited May 2004
    Can you give reasons for your hating of steam?? I used to be as you are but i must admit this is far superior to the won way of doing things.

    There are a few bugs and patch hiccups but they arent life threatening.

    Have you even tried playing on steam?

    - RD

    Edit: Hey mate you suck at math lol. His pai percentages are wrong.
    We cant have you with too much pai need to spread it round. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    steam doesn't have the advanced filter options of 3rd party scanner software.
    steam doesn't ask you if you want to download a 400MB game that you haven't bought.
    steam is run by 2 people


    apart from that im good with steam.
  • ZenZen Join Date: 2004-05-07 Member: 28524Members
    First it takes like 30min to update the steam
    Then you have to download lots files to make it work!
    And i cant see anything difrent in the game play!
  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+May 7 2004, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ May 7 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam doesn't have the advanced filter options of 3rd party scanner software.
    steam doesn't ask you if you want to download a 400MB game that you haven't bought.
    steam is run by 2 people


    apart from that im good with steam. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes it does ask you, and even if you ignored it by mistake, you can easily stop it.

    & Steam is not run by 2 people.
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    edited May 2004
    I don't like of Steam either, but what can you do? This, of course, irks the most. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Anyway; it *does* have some good sides. The messaging system is better (clearer fonts), troubles with sound and ALT+F4 are marginal, better mic-support and new resolutions (great for TFT users).

    However, I think what pisses off most people, including me, is the way how the software acts. Nothing is asked; a little while ago it even INSTALLED Counter-Strike to my machine, in all silence, and then advertised "Condition Zero." Yeah, right -deleted both CS and the AD right after.

    Then there is the matter of bad customer support and oh-so-silent updates... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> Oh, well...
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zen_+May 7 2004, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zen_ @ May 7 2004, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wana know if you like steam!
    Because i HATE steam!!!!!
    Why did they make NS 3.0 ONLY Steam
    It shoud be 2ver. of 3.0
    1.Steam (for the 30% that uses steam)
    2.Won (for the 250% that uses standard HL online system)



    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> Steam <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You need to learn how to "research" before quoting obviously bad infomation. If Steam is so bad why is everyone using it. Don't get angry your emachine with AOL broadband dosen't like it.
  • AfrAfr Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16240Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+May 7 2004, 08:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ May 7 2004, 08:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam doesn't have the advanced filter options of 3rd party scanner software.
    steam doesn't ask you if you want to download a 400MB game that you haven't bought.
    steam is run by 2 people


    apart from that im good with steam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You can choose not to download a certain game or update it.

    Third party third party scanner softwares work with steam.
    Almost everyone is using steam.

    /gg
  • kolokolkolokol Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9166Members
    I dobt have a problem. It seems pretty reliable and if ns goes "official" ill auto update. Looks good from where im standing.
  • gophergopher Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18657Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-rknZ+May 7 2004, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rknZ @ May 7 2004, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+May 7 2004, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ May 7 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam doesn't have the advanced filter options of 3rd party scanner software.
    steam doesn't ask you if you want to download a 400MB game that you haven't bought.
    steam is run by 2 people


    apart from that im good with steam. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes it does ask you, and even if you ignored it by mistake, you can easily stop it.

    & Steam is not run by 2 people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uhm yeah, it's actually just 2 people working on steam.
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    I was slightly annoyed that Condition Zero automatically started downloading when I had specifically told it not to only moments earlier.

    Other than that, its much better than WON.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First it takes like 30min to update the steam
    Then you have to download lots files to make it work!
    And i cant see anything difrent in the game play! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    1: That might be because thousands of people are updating at exactly the same time. It might be a little inconvienent, but if you wait a day or so, you will find it is much faster due to less people downloading.

    2: This is no different than having to download a patch for a game. In fact its actually easier because it knows what files you need to update, and you dont have to search the internet looking for them.

    3: It wasnt designed to alter game play. The friends network is a nice addition though. (when it works)
  • ShootMeShootMe Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28016Members
    I acturaly like steam, but it took time. When I tryed to play Half-life on the first version of steam i got 5000 ping nomatter what. Now it's acturaly pretty good. One thing i love about it is now when i hit the windows key I dont lose farking sound... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-gopher+May 7 2004, 04:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gopher @ May 7 2004, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-rknZ+May 7 2004, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rknZ @ May 7 2004, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-version91x+May 7 2004, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ May 7 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam doesn't have the advanced filter options of 3rd party scanner software.
    steam doesn't ask you if you want to download a 400MB game that you haven't bought.
    steam is run by 2 people


    apart from that im good with steam. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes it does ask you, and even if you ignored it by mistake, you can easily stop it.

    & Steam is not run by 2 people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Uhm yeah, it's actually just 2 people working on steam. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cliffe says otherwise <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--QuoteBegin-Cliffe speaking on Steam forums+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cliffe speaking on Steam forums)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>quote:</span>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    <i>Originally posted by generic </i>
    <b>I don't know whether to be worried that Valve have only 2 people working on Steam, or impressed that just 2 people manage to maintain Steam. </b>
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Actually, more than 2 people work on Steam.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+May 7 2004, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ May 7 2004, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You need to learn how to "research" before quoting obviously bad infomation. If Steam is so bad why is everyone using it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's because we were all told that WON was dead within weeks of the first Steam release.

    =====

    Yes, there are only two people working on Steam. An interview was conducted by some Half Life fans, who met the staff of Valve. Which included the two Steam testers.

    =====

    At the moment I am frustrated with the way the Friends list is handled. I don't like that I have to join the people in-game to get their Friends list, rather than looking at the Server Info and getting it from there.

    I also don't like that players have to be connected to Friends for them to show up as playing in a game - I'd rather it have an option to show people with similar names, like All Seeing Eye does.

    I miss having the ability to open Half Life and click on any mod and have it immediately change to that mod (including when connecting to a server). Now, if I'm playing The Specialists, I have to quit the game entirely before opening up the new mod to connect to a server. It's quite time consuming, and only serves to break up the flow that used to exist in the game GUI.

    This problem really showed its ugly head when a friend on my Friends list asked me to play Day of Defeat, while I was playing The Specialists. I couldn't click "Join Game" on the Friends list to join the server he was on - instead I had to close down The Specialists entirely, and THEN click on the Friends list to join the game.
  • DerangedDeranged Join Date: 2004-04-07 Member: 27774Members
    I don't mind steam, minus it has some retarded problems at times, eg bugs being reintroduced but oh well <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    only thing I hate is the horrible customer support, valve never once acknowledged the audio bug that would make mods crash...then 2 weeks or more later they finally patched it, that was horrid...
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    All steam has really done to this forum is getting threads locked...


    Steam is more than fine in my eyes. Remember WON's first days?
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Steam is awesome. Now that bugs are fixed and there are frequent updates improving the game, it's really great. I can't think of any other company that would spend so much money and time creating a completely new UI and server/friends/mods program for a 5-year old game.

    Also, this will help mods become even more popular as well as let small upgrades come out and be downloaded by everyone.
  • Cpt_KrunchCpt_Krunch Join Date: 2003-08-22 Member: 20077Members
    edited May 2004
    You know why i dont like Steam, when i make a lan partiy, we wont be able to play Ns or DoD because not half of the ppl got HL.

    With WON we could just could use a keygen and play in the lan and no worry.

    Some would buy it after the lan because they had fun, but my girlfried wont buy HL so she could play 1-2 times a year in our lan party...know what i mean ?
  • AmagiusAmagius Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28022Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cpt.Krunch+May 7 2004, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpt.Krunch @ May 7 2004, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know why i dont like Steam, when i make a lan partiy, we wont be able to play Ns or DoD because not half of the ppl got HL.

    With WON we could just could use a keygen and play in the lan and no worry.

    Some would buy it after the lan because they had fun, but my girlfried wont buy HL so she could play 1-2 times a year in our lan party...know what i mean ? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So, you hate Steam because it has improved dealing with warez and serials? Riiiight.

    I dislike Steam for it's constant screwing up on Friends.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Oh, goodie. Another Steam Hate thread. Apparently someone didn't see when I'd gone through and filled the front page with locked topics like this one, a couple of months back. There should still be screenshots somewhere of the End of Whining.

    In short. Steam has some growing pains, yes. But they're FAR less severe than WON's were. The only people b****ing about Steam, are the ones who joined in a year or two AFTER WON was instigated. People who don't remembe being unable to MP for <b>two WEEKS at a time</b>.

    Now then. If you'd care to continue whingeing on, feel free to take it to the Steampowered forums. As it stands, NS is not Steam, though it does ride on Steam.
    And no... the final release of 3.0 will not be going on with a WON port, given that it's planned to be distributed THROUGH Steam.

    <span style='color:red'><b>***LOCKED.***</b></span>
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